Adelaide Footy League Division 1 - 2019

[Senor Moto Gadili]

and this is what will be investigated in depth no doubt,before a decision is made

Fair enough .... gee, I hope marbles wasn't the timekeeper.

[marbles]

The player himself at the time would be asking... can i get on yet, can i get on yet

Which person is he asking... his team manager or the timekeepers

Maybe the person looked at his watch 2:37pm at time of card, then after quarter time break (10 mins) plus the game time of 2nd quarter (7 minutes when his goal was kicked) thats a total of 17 minutes when the manager looked at his watch. Did he just go by his watch

Also its known the time of goal, but when did that player return to ground, start of the quarter? Or 2 minutes before he kicked the goal

Nonetheless the sharks form has been tremendous the players are showing great fight and are hungry to stay in div 1 what ever the result of this minor investigation we are playing really strong footy and enjoying it

[Senor Moto Gadili]

The player himself at the time would be asking... can i get on yet, can i get on yet

Which person is he asking... his team manager or the timekeepers

Maybe the person looked at his watch 2:37pm at time of card, then after quarter time break (10 mins) plus the game time of 2nd quarter (7 minutes when his goal was kicked) thats a total of 17 minutes when the manager looked at his watch. Did he just go by his watch

Also its known the time of goal, but when did that player return to ground, start of the quarter? Or 2 minutes before he kicked the goal

Nonetheless the sharks form has been tremendous the players are showing great fight and are hungry to stay in div 1 what ever the result of this minor investigation we are playing really strong footy and enjoying it

Sharks are certainly fighting hard .... good on them. Looking like two teams out of Henley, TTG and Adelaide Uni will be going down, so the games when they play each other will be critical.

[oldman]

The player himself at the time would be asking... can i get on yet, can i get on yet

Which person is he asking... his team manager or the timekeepers

Maybe the person looked at his watch 2:37pm at time of card, then after quarter time break (10 mins) plus the game time of 2nd quarter (7 minutes when his goal was kicked) thats a total of 17 minutes when the manager looked at his watch. Did he just go by his watch

Also its known the time of goal, but when did that player return to ground, start of the quarter? Or 2 minutes before he kicked the goal

Nonetheless the sharks form has been tremendous the players are showing great fight and are hungry to stay in div 1 what ever the result of this minor investigation we are playing really strong footy and enjoying it

Wouldn't call it minor. Could be the difference between districts playing finals or not and also could be that difference between relegation for someone not just Henley. Wouldn't you think that the club who's player is in question would seek permission from either the time keeper personally or get their match day official to clarify when they can return. At the end of the day it's the club's responsibility and everyone knows a yellow card is 10 mins. The player appears on the footage at the 6.37 mark of the 2nd quarter and kicks a goal less than 20secs after.

[Mr Beefy]

I don't know why you lot are going on about timekeepers

51.2 The Field Umpire(s) shall notify the Interchange Steward by holding up a yellow card indicating the
player has been sent off for a category “B” offence.
51.3 The ten (10) minutes of playing time is a continuous ten (10) minutes on the Interchange Steward’s
watch or clock.
(a) there is no stopping of the ten (10) minutes on the clock for time on as signalled by the Field
Umpire(s).

[Down the Hill]

Correct. In A grade footy the Timekeeper can't be expected to monitor the 10 minutes because their clock is counting down from 20 minutes and constantly stops and starts for time on and time off. That is why the rule makes reference to the Interchange Steward which in many clubs cases is also the Team Manager and most Team Managers will confer with the opposition Team Manager at the time of the Card to confirm at what point the player can come back on and then check again to get the OK before the player does re-enter the game - assuming the coach wants to interchange the player back on as soon as the 10 minutes has elapsed.

Clubs were reminded of this in the Boss's Update only a couple of weeks ago. 10 minutes is 10 minutes on anyone's watch or phone and not 10 minutes of actual counted playing time which is then consistent with all other grades where there is no time on and time off. But the game has to be in progress for that period of 10 minutes and you can't count the qtr breaks as part of the elapsed 10 minutes. Maybe that is what PD did but that is hardly a plausible excuse.

[Mr Beefy]

Correct. In A grade footy the Timekeeper can't be expected to monitor the 10 minutes because their clock is counting down from 20 minutes and constantly stops and starts for time on and time off. That is why the rule makes reference to the Interchange Steward which in many clubs cases is also the Team Manager and most Team Managers will confer with the opposition Team Manager at the time of the Card to confirm at what point the player can come back on and then check again to get the OK before the player does re-enter the game - assuming the coach wants to interchange the player back on as soon as the 10 minutes has elapsed.

Clubs were reminded of this in the Boss's Update only a couple of weeks ago. 10 minutes is 10 minutes on anyone's watch or phone and not 10 minutes of actual counted playing time which is then consistent with all other grades where there is no time on and time off. But the game has to be in progress for that period of 10 minutes and you can't count the qtr breaks as part of the elapsed 10 minutes. Maybe that is what PD did but that is hardly a plausible excuse.

It would possibly be Henley's fault as being the home team they have to supply the interchange steward.

[marbles]

Well if the quarter time 10 minutes doesnt count then we have a dilemma here then

Did PD decide he can go back on OR did henleys interchange steward give the all clear

If its henleys fault do they keep their goal, or his goal is invalid no matter who let him back on

Again it means a lot maybe, but we just hungry to keep smashing out strong footy no matter what eventuates here

[Mr Beefy]

Well if the quarter time 10 minutes doesnt count the we have a dilemma here then

Did PD decide he can go back on OR did henleys interchange steward give the all clear

If its henleys fault do they keep their goal, or his goal is invalid no matter who let him back on

Much like WWT, Henley should have called a player count and it may have been determined that the player wasnt allowed on the field yet?

[marbles]

Well if the quarter time 10 minutes doesnt count the we have a dilemma here then

Did PD decide he can go back on OR did henleys interchange steward give the all clear

If its henleys fault do they keep their goal, or his goal is invalid no matter who let him back on

Much like WWT, Henley should have called a player count and it may have been determined that the player wasnt allowed on the field yet?

No dude there wasnt 19 men on the field.

[The Bedge]

Well if the quarter time 10 minutes doesnt count the we have a dilemma here then

Did PD decide he can go back on OR did henleys interchange steward give the all clear

If its henleys fault do they keep their goal, or his goal is invalid no matter who let him back on

Much like WWT, Henley should have called a player count and it may have been determined that the player wasnt allowed on the field yet?

No dude there wasnt 19 men on the field.

But they would've identified the player as not being allowed on the ground.

[Footy Chick]

FTR - the likeness to WWT here, is that a person that shouldn't have been on the ground, kicked a goal.

That's it.

[Executive Member]

FTR - the likeness to WWT here, is that a person that shouldn't have been on the ground, kicked a goal.

That's it.

no, let it go as I am sure it still upsets the 4 WWT supporters that they got robbed and causes Norwood supporters a few grumbles

Up the Cocks

[Senor Moto Gadili]

Still a lot of confusion and room for exploitation. So far, in this thread, we have had the following people nominated as being responsible for monitoring the 10 minutes;
1. Timekeeper - I agree, this is not practical.
2. Match Day Official - this not their role
3. Interchange Steward - rules clearly state it is their responsibility, but I don't believe we have a dedicated Interchange Steward any more, so it defaults to Team Manager
4. Team Manager - if they are doing it, maybe the rule needs to be re-written to reflect this and we could include some guidelines on how the 10 minutes should be monitored.

[The Bedge]

Still a lot of confusion and room for exploitation.

One thing that is clear and not confusing is 10 minutes = 10 minutes.. not 5.. not 6.. not 7..

Bad luck Pt Districts, you lose.

[Lightning McQueen]

Still a lot of confusion and room for exploitation.

One thing that is clear and not confusing is 10 minutes = 10 minutes.. not 5.. not 6.. not 7..

Bad luck Pt Districts, you lose.

Not according to the premiership table.

[The Bedge]

Still a lot of confusion and room for exploitation.

One thing that is clear and not confusing is 10 minutes = 10 minutes.. not 5.. not 6.. not 7..

Bad luck Pt Districts, you lose.

Not according to the premiership table.

Give it time.

[Lightning McQueen]

Give it time.

10 minutes?

[Footy Chick]

Ask Leesy to bring it up at the next delegates meeting - they're all very good points

[Dutchy]

In the examples I have seen both Team Managers agree on the time that player can re-enter game and both then give the tick when that time comes, did that not happen here? If so the opposition need to take some blame.