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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby locky801 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:57 am

The Dark Knight wrote:
batmanbegins wrote:Olly stone is now also out for england with a back injury. He was showing a lot of promise and might have been played at some point this series with his extra pace and ability to move the ball. No Anderson, wood or stone available, lots of pressure on archer, broad and woakes to be healthy the remaining 4 tests.
Don't forget about Sam Curran.


Aus 5/266 declared
Head 109*
Khawaja 57
Bancroft 33

Worcestershire 3/31
Hazlewood 2/2



Starc 1/27 off of 4, got taken to a bit by Haynes
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:05 am

locky801 wrote:Seems alot of chat about Bancroft getting the chop, no mention of Mr Warner at this stage.

Note Bancroft scored more runs and faced more delieveries in the 1st test than Warner

If he fails in the 2nd test surely his head would be on the chopping block

Like the guy or not, he has plenty of credits already and every failure is one step closer to a big score.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby whufc » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:06 am

locky801 wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
batmanbegins wrote:Olly stone is now also out for england with a back injury. He was showing a lot of promise and might have been played at some point this series with his extra pace and ability to move the ball. No Anderson, wood or stone available, lots of pressure on archer, broad and woakes to be healthy the remaining 4 tests.
Don't forget about Sam Curran.


Aus 5/266 declared
Head 109*
Khawaja 57
Bancroft 33

Worcestershire 3/31
Hazlewood 2/2



Starc 1/27 off of 4, got taken to a bit by Haynes


I wouldn't be surprise if Hazelwood comes in before Starc. I think this team is all about consistency, and wearing down the 'one day specialists' patience through consistent line and lengths.

Starc shock and awe probably isn't as valuable and could be an opportunity for the likes of Roy, Ali, Bairstow to get off to a flyer and build confidence.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Gozu » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:38 pm

Callum Ferguson 6* at stumps.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:32 pm

whufc wrote:
locky801 wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
batmanbegins wrote:Olly stone is now also out for england with a back injury. He was showing a lot of promise and might have been played at some point this series with his extra pace and ability to move the ball. No Anderson, wood or stone available, lots of pressure on archer, broad and woakes to be healthy the remaining 4 tests.
Don't forget about Sam Curran.


Aus 5/266 declared
Head 109*
Khawaja 57
Bancroft 33

Worcestershire 3/31
Hazlewood 2/2



Starc 1/27 off of 4, got taken to a bit by Haynes


I wouldn't be surprise if Hazelwood comes in before Starc. I think this team is all about consistency, and wearing down the 'one day specialists' patience through consistent line and lengths.

Starc shock and awe probably isn't as valuable and could be an opportunity for the likes of Roy, Ali, Bairstow to get off to a flyer and build confidence.

I think selection is more about playing a role within a team and offering diversity. Pattinson is vying with Starc for one spot and Siddle is vying with Hazelwood for the other. I cannot see Siddle and Hazelwood both playing in the same side and I think Siddle did enough to keep his spot. Will be interesting to see if they rest Pattinson for Starc. I think that one could go either way,
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby locky801 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:57 pm

whufc wrote:
locky801 wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
batmanbegins wrote:Olly stone is now also out for england with a back injury. He was showing a lot of promise and might have been played at some point this series with his extra pace and ability to move the ball. No Anderson, wood or stone available, lots of pressure on archer, broad and woakes to be healthy the remaining 4 tests.
Don't forget about Sam Curran.


Aus 5/266 declared
Head 109*
Khawaja 57
Bancroft 33

Worcestershire 3/31
Hazlewood 2/2



Starc 1/27 off of 4, got taken to a bit by Haynes


I wouldn't be surprise if Hazelwood comes in before Starc. I think this team is all about consistency, and wearing down the 'one day specialists' patience through consistent line and lengths.

Starc shock and awe probably isn't as valuable and could be an opportunity for the likes of Roy, Ali, Bairstow to get off to a flyer and build confidence.


Starc has been bowling some pretty ordinary crap of late, got some cheap wickets at the W/C but got smashed around the park alot and bowled a hell of a lot of wides, wouldnt say he is in the best form of his career right now however we saw that with Mitch Johnson as well who came back out of the blue and started knocking sides over, could be an interesting call
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby RB » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:39 pm

I'd want to see red ball form and control from Starc before picking him. No way would I drop Pattinson. Perhaps if he pulls up a little lame after the 2nd test he might need a rest.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Jim05 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:44 pm

Starc gets Ferg 3rd ball of the day
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby The Dark Knight » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:45 pm

locky801 wrote:Starc has been bowling some pretty ordinary crap of late, got some cheap wickets at the W/C but got smashed around the park alot and bowled a hell of a lot of wides, wouldnt say he is in the best form of his career right now however we saw that with Mitch Johnson as well who came back out of the blue and started knocking sides over, could be an interesting call

(Purely basing this on his WC)
Bowling ordinary crap taking 27 wickets @ 18.59 with a strike rate of 20.5, took the most wickets ever at a WC, hell I'd love to see what he can produce at his best then!

Looking at his economy of 5.43 and comparing it to the other top WC wicket takers it really isn't as bad as it's made out to be in my opinion and whether they are 'cheap wickets' or not you still got to be bowling well enough and consistent enough to take them, especially that many and for the type of bowler he is and the way the ODI game is played now having his economy rate below a run a ball is still decent.

To say to he bowled ordinary crap in the WC is wrong IMO.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby The Dark Knight » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:26 pm

Worcestershire current 8/94, trail by 172
Hazlewood 3/27
Neser 2/15
Starc 2/37
Labuschage 1/5
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby locky801 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:55 am

Worcestershire declared at 9/201, huge comeback, big concern that our bowlers couldn't clean up the tail


Aust in reply 1/92

Bancroft 7

Harris 62*
Marsh 22*
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Trader » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:50 pm

Once again, once the duke gets old (50+ overs), batting is easy-ish.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby locky801 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:33 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:
locky801 wrote:Starc has been bowling some pretty ordinary crap of late, got some cheap wickets at the W/C but got smashed around the park alot and bowled a hell of a lot of wides, wouldnt say he is in the best form of his career right now however we saw that with Mitch Johnson as well who came back out of the blue and started knocking sides over, could be an interesting call

(Purely basing this on his WC)
Bowling ordinary crap taking 27 wickets @ 18.59 with a strike rate of 20.5, took the most wickets ever at a WC, hell I'd love to see what he can produce at his best then!

Looking at his economy of 5.43 and comparing it to the other top WC wicket takers it really isn't as bad as it's made out to be in my opinion and whether they are 'cheap wickets' or not you still got to be bowling well enough and consistent enough to take them, especially that many and for the type of bowler he is and the way the ODI game is played now having his economy rate below a run a ball is still decent.

To say to he bowled ordinary crap in the WC is wrong IMO.
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Granted he was very good until the back end of the W/C, think you will find his figures dropped away then and he certainly hasnt set the world on fire in the current game
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby northerner » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:15 pm

Harris out early today missing a big chance to make a huge statement for selection for second test.
I think Hazlewood is now only one who is a decent chance of making Lord's if he is able to het a 4 for or better..
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby The Dark Knight » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:35 pm

locky801 wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
locky801 wrote:Starc has been bowling some pretty ordinary crap of late, got some cheap wickets at the W/C but got smashed around the park alot and bowled a hell of a lot of wides, wouldnt say he is in the best form of his career right now however we saw that with Mitch Johnson as well who came back out of the blue and started knocking sides over, could be an interesting call

(Purely basing this on his WC)
Bowling ordinary crap taking 27 wickets @ 18.59 with a strike rate of 20.5, took the most wickets ever at a WC, hell I'd love to see what he can produce at his best then!

Looking at his economy of 5.43 and comparing it to the other top WC wicket takers it really isn't as bad as it's made out to be in my opinion and whether they are 'cheap wickets' or not you still got to be bowling well enough and consistent enough to take them, especially that many and for the type of bowler he is and the way the ODI game is played now having his economy rate below a run a ball is still decent.

To say to he bowled ordinary crap in the WC is wrong IMO.
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Granted he was very good until the back end of the W/C, think you will find his figures dropped away then and he certainly hasnt set the world on fire in the current game

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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby RB » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:30 am

Sometimes I wonder if the whole world's gone crazy.

Starc's been playing like a busted arse at test level for 12 months, we finally drop him, then hammer the Poms at Edgbaston against the odds, in part by keeping the bowling tight, something which Starc doesn't do well, then all of a sudden people are clamouring for him to be picked in the team again?

You don't mess with success folks, and barring injury you don't change a winning team.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby The Dark Knight » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:54 am

England have announced their squad for the second test match-
Joe Root (c)
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jack Leach
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes
Chris Woakes

Ali dropped for Leach, watched a couple of videos about Leach playing purely to stop Steve Smith, he 'only' averages 37.19 against left arm spin.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby LaughingKookaburra » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:04 am

Desperate signs for England. They are mentally shot I reckon

- Ali becomes a basket case overnight after averaging 28 over the last 18 months. Dropped after 1 test!
- So much went wrong for Australia in the first dig, at England’s version of the Gabba and they still got absolutely smashed.
- England’s crowds tried to intimidate the Australians after what happened in South Africa, that hasn’t worked.
- Anderson falls over after bringing him back too soon.

Australia behind the scenes would be smelling blood and are clearly on a mission. If England don’t start well at Lords it could be tough to get back in for the rest of the series.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby FlyingHigh » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:45 pm

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:I think selection is more about playing a role within a team and offering diversity. Pattinson is vying with Starc for one spot and Siddle is vying with Hazelwood for the other. I cannot see Siddle and Hazelwood both playing in the same side and I think Siddle did enough to keep his spot. Will be interesting to see if they rest Pattinson for Starc. I think that one could go either way,


Agree. Will play Pattinson and Siddle in the 2nd and then Starc and Hazelwood in the 3rd, and then I reckon they'll do the same for the 4th and 5th.
Each of these tests only have two days in between rather than the usual three.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby batmanbegins » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:07 pm

LaughingKookaburra wrote:Desperate signs for England. They are mentally shot I reckon

- Ali becomes a basket case overnight after averaging 28 over the last 18 months. Dropped after 1 test!
- So much went wrong for Australia in the first dig, at England’s version of the Gabba and they still got absolutely smashed.
- England’s crowds tried to intimidate the Australians after what happened in South Africa, that hasn’t worked.
- Anderson falls over after bringing him back too soon.

Australia behind the scenes would be smelling blood and are clearly on a mission. If England don’t start well at Lords it could be tough to get back in for the rest of the series.


I agree with most of this other then Ali had to be dropped, against the aussies in particular Lyon and Smith his confidence is shot. Im a big fan of mo but when your bowling moon balls you know your in trouble.
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