The Ashes 2019

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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:19 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:Didn't think it was a great declaration last night.
I thought when Starc got his 50 was the time, but instead we batted another four overs, as I think we need to win this test, and as such an extra wicket last night was more important that the last 20 runs - we are only a Labuschagne nick and a moderate Smith innings from being 6/80 in the next test.

Broad's hold over Head has gone unnoticed with all the talk about Warner. Even in the 2nd innings of the first test when Head made 50, listening on the radio, sounded like in the first few overs of that Sunday he had him in trouble.



All the lefties are struggling against Broad. If we can't get 19 wickets with this attack over three days I don't think the extra four will make that much difference tbh.

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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:22 pm

All the lefties, as noted, can't work Broad around the wicket out. If we win this Test then no need for concern, if we don't do they make a simple right/left change in the middle order?
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby westcoastpanther » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:24 pm

whufc wrote:Many moons ago there were endless debated between myself and a couple of other posters in particular.

I continued to defend the reselection of Smith on multiple occasions.

Out of jest I labelled him 'The Blonde Don'

I actually never thought that would become a reality.

WOW.


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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby whufc » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:24 pm

Booney wrote:All the lefties, as noted, can't work Broad around the wicket out. If we win this Test then no need for concern, if we don't do they make a simple right/left change in the middle order?


Who?? Bancroft comes into the middle order. Is he the only other right hander in the squad. Both Khawaja and Pattinson are lefties.

Am I missing anyone.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby whufc » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:25 pm

westcoastpanther wrote:
whufc wrote:Many moons ago there were endless debated between myself and a couple of other posters in particular.

I continued to defend the reselection of Smith on multiple occasions.

Out of jest I labelled him 'The Blonde Don'

I actually never thought that would become a reality.

WOW.


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No one in their wildest dreams imagined Smith was going to be this good. I would have taken a solid 40 test average as a win tbh.

It is undoubtedly the closest we will ever come to reliving the Bradman era.

Any other sport there would be drug cheat claims, lucky batting revolves around timing, patience, mental strength.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Armchair expert » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:27 pm

Broad was cooked but Starc showed the way to play him, hit it straight and not through mid wicket where Head Wade Harris are getting out. Broad isn’t really swinging it, it’s all the angle he is bowling from.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby FlyingHigh » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:29 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
FlyingHigh wrote:Didn't think it was a great declaration last night.
I thought when Starc got his 50 was the time, but instead we batted another four overs, as I think we need to win this test, and as such an extra wicket last night was more important that the last 20 runs - we are only a Labuschagne nick and a moderate Smith innings from being 6/80 in the next test.

Broad's hold over Head has gone unnoticed with all the talk about Warner. Even in the 2nd innings of the first test when Head made 50, listening on the radio, sounded like in the first few overs of that Sunday he had him in trouble.



All the lefties are struggling against Broad. If we can't get 19 wickets with this attack over three days I don't think the extra four will make that much difference tbh.

regards,

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They are, but Head really does seem just a matter of time.
4 overs at the end of the game may or may not matter, but i just felt them having to bat for an hour, 14 overs, was keeping more pressure on them than the last 20 runs.

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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:56 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
FlyingHigh wrote:Didn't think it was a great declaration last night.
I thought when Starc got his 50 was the time, but instead we batted another four overs, as I think we need to win this test, and as such an extra wicket last night was more important that the last 20 runs - we are only a Labuschagne nick and a moderate Smith innings from being 6/80 in the next test.

Broad's hold over Head has gone unnoticed with all the talk about Warner. Even in the 2nd innings of the first test when Head made 50, listening on the radio, sounded like in the first few overs of that Sunday he had him in trouble.



All the lefties are struggling against Broad. If we can't get 19 wickets with this attack over three days I don't think the extra four will make that much difference tbh.

regards,

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I can't see how Broad coming around the wicket is causing Head so much grief, surely they'd just keep working on that in the nets, I only seen his dismissal the once in real time, did he review it? Did hawkeye say it was hitting?

I can see why we batted as long as we did, at a guess we wanted to score as many runs as possible to try and make the poms bat twice in a row, I know we generally don't enforce follow-ons anymore but you've gotta back yourself in scoring around 500 in what has been a pretty lean run scoring series, we probably don't want to set a target either.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:57 pm

He didn't review, looked out, ball tracker was "umpires call".
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:58 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
FlyingHigh wrote:Didn't think it was a great declaration last night.
I thought when Starc got his 50 was the time, but instead we batted another four overs, as I think we need to win this test, and as such an extra wicket last night was more important that the last 20 runs - we are only a Labuschagne nick and a moderate Smith innings from being 6/80 in the next test.

Broad's hold over Head has gone unnoticed with all the talk about Warner. Even in the 2nd innings of the first test when Head made 50, listening on the radio, sounded like in the first few overs of that Sunday he had him in trouble.



All the lefties are struggling against Broad. If we can't get 19 wickets with this attack over three days I don't think the extra four will make that much difference tbh.

regards,

REB


They are, but Head really does seem just a matter of time.
4 overs at the end of the game may or may not matter, but i just felt them having to bat for an hour, 14 overs, was keeping more pressure on them than the last 20 runs.

Which tour group are you with?


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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby tigerpie » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:01 pm

Armchair expert wrote:Broad was cooked but Starc showed the way to play him, hit it straight and not through mid wicket where Head Wade Harris are getting out. Broad isn’t really swinging it, it’s all the angle he is bowling from.

To be fair I saw him swing a couple past Smith's bat when he was over 100.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:07 pm

Booney wrote:He didn't review, looked out, ball tracker was "umpires call".


OK, cheers, just looked like Broad was coming from a fair angle.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby The Dark Knight » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:13 pm

Armchair expert wrote:Broad was cooked but Starc showed the way to play him, hit it straight and not through mid wicket where Head Wade Harris are getting out. Broad isn’t really swinging it, it’s all the angle he is bowling from.

Yes he's not really swinging it, it's the movement off the seam that is giving our batsman, mainly the left handers the most trouble. It just has to move enough either way to take the outside edge or miss the inside edge to hit them in the pads and he's in the game. The angle from around the wicket exaggerates the seam movement away from the left hander.

Head didn't help himself with his dismissal as it looked like it was trying to play that delivery through mid on/mid wicket instead of straight, Mark Taylor mentioned it straight away after Head got out.
Broad bowled a delivery to Paine yesterday that was the perfect length and moved off the seam just missing Paines outside edge as he played the line of the ball before the movement. It was an absolute jaffer.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby am Bays » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:12 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
FlyingHigh wrote:Didn't think it was a great declaration last night.
I thought when Starc got his 50 was the time, but instead we batted another four overs, as I think we need to win this test, and as such an extra wicket last night was more important that the last 20 runs - we are only a Labuschagne nick and a moderate Smith innings from being 6/80 in the next test.

Broad's hold over Head has gone unnoticed with all the talk about Warner. Even in the 2nd innings of the first test when Head made 50, listening on the radio, sounded like in the first few overs of that Sunday he had him in trouble.



All the lefties are struggling against Broad. If we can't get 19 wickets with this attack over three days I don't think the extra four will make that much difference tbh.

regards,

REB


They are, but Head really does seem just a matter of time.
4 overs at the end of the game may or may not matter, but i just felt them having to bat for an hour, 14 overs, was keeping more pressure on them than the last 20 runs.

Which tour group are you with?


With respect to the declaration, I was thinking along the lines of Border at Headingly in 1993 at the start of day 3, "Boys we're batting on this morning to cause them more mental and psychological deterioration" or words to that effect.

Basically take the win for them out of the equation - you've less than three days to get over 750 runs and take 10 wickets if you want to win this game. Therefore all you are playing for is not to lose before we get to the Oval "highway".
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby stan » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:36 pm

I feel this is the test we need to win. Going ovall 1 - 1 scares me because at some point the 2 blokes carrying our batting will fail.

Win this one and it's done and in the bank.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby helicopterking » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:51 pm

Rain to ruin first session , hence the declaration last night.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby mal » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:51 pm

whufc wrote:Many moons ago there were endless debated between myself and a couple of other posters in particular.

I continued to defend the reselection of Smith on multiple occasions.

Out of jest I labelled him 'The Blonde Don'

I actually never thought that would become a reality.

WOW.


Heres some posts from 2014 on the The Blonde Don

* If he faced his own bowling consistently, he could be a blonde Don.
* I can see East Coast Smith being found out within 18 months
* I reckon he wont get past 30 Tests

All 3 posts were made by the same poster :roll:
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby FlyingHigh » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:58 pm

stan wrote:I feel this is the test we need to win. Going ovall 1 - 1 scares me because at some point the 2 blokes carrying our batting will fail.

Win this one and it's done and in the bank.


Agree Stan
And taking a wicket in the 6-7th over with 3-4 left, they were always going to send in a nightwatchman.
Taking a wicket in the 6-7th out of 14 and they probably expose another batsman.
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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby DOC » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:28 pm

mal wrote:
whufc wrote:Many moons ago there were endless debated between myself and a couple of other posters in particular.

I continued to defend the reselection of Smith on multiple occasions.

Out of jest I labelled him 'The Blonde Don'

I actually never thought that would become a reality.

WOW.


Heres some posts from 2014 on the The Blonde Don

* If he faced his own bowling consistently, he could be a blonde Don.
* I can see East Coast Smith being found out within 18 months
* I reckon he wont get past 30 Tests

All 3 posts were made by the same poster :roll:



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Re: The Ashes 2019

Postby Dutchy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:02 pm

Forecast looking better for today than it was yesterday, maybe a delay to the start but should be good for a large percentage of play, with it being windy the ground will at least dry quickly. A good bowling performance today and we retain the Ashes.
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