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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:58 am

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Eagles2014 wrote:
Would think Kane Richardson a certainty for this team. And looking to future Jai Richardson from WA worth a go ahead of Siddle.

Future being the operative word, I've often wondered the fascination CA have with Kane, his numbers don't set the world alight, as for Jhye, yes he is a work in progress, seems to be injured a lot, just like most Aussie quicks.

I wouldn't say Jhye seems to be injured alot, it was his dislocated shoulder injury that has set him back, he probably would of been part of the World Cup and Ashes squad if it wasn't for his injury and it took awhile for him to get back to 100% fitness.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:01 am

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Eagles2014 wrote:Richard Earle from The Advertiser was continually writing articles pushing Lehmann to play for Australia at the time, he gets fixated on certain players!

To be fair, Lehmann was in red hot form in the BBL a few years back, the season that he came out with 1 ball remaining and he needed to hit a 6 to win, he had some good innings' either side of that.

I wonder if they take T20 form into consideration when selecting an ODI team?

I wonder if Peter Siddle re-evaluates his decision to step out of the international arena if CA offered him a spot on the ODI or T20 squad?

If you're picking an Aussie short form XI then Wells would have to come into the equation, He'd be pipped by Stoinis, D.Short, S.Marsh and Maxwell though IMO.

Out of Australia's last ODI I'd take out Marnus, Starc, Turner and Agar and have the following line up.

Warner
Finch
Smith
Stoinis
D.Short
Maxwell
Carey
Cummins
Zampa
Siddle
Hazlewood

Pattinson, Lyon, Wells and S.Marsh would make up the squad, we really are lacking in the bowling department.

Why wouldn't you have Starc in your ODI squad? Ended the Indian ODI badly but he's too good not to be in the Aussie squad IMO.

And Siddle is absolutely done at international level IMO.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:02 am

The Dark Knight wrote:I wouldn't say Jhye seems to be injured alot, it was his dislocated shoulder injury that has set him back, he probably would of been part of the World Cup and Ashes squad if it wasn't for his injury and it took awhile for him to get back to 100% fitness.

Seeing a kid have to bowl the ball in from the boundary doesn't sit well with me, that's a 30 year old's injury and from experience it all goes downhill from there.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:06 am

Jhye Richardson has been the standout quick of the BBL, and considering he plays half his games at the best batting pitch in the country he has been outstanding. Clearly the next in line for white ball and probably red ball national action IMO
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:07 am

The Dark Knight wrote:Why wouldn't you have Starc in your ODI squad? Ended the Indian ODI badly but he's too good not to be in the Aussie squad IMO.

And Siddle is absolutely done at international level IMO.

I did have him in there until I remembered Pattinson who I think offers a lot more, I was a big advocate for Starc to retain his spot in the Ashes team, I still want to see him in the test team, give the bloke a rest and lets have him concentrating on test cricket, he tries to bowl too fast in the short form and doesn't think enough like he used to, the yorker has eluded him.

I too thought Siddle was past it but after watching a fair chunk of BBL I noticed there a re very few Aussie bowlers that can close an innings out and bowl at the toes, what Siddle has lost in other areas he has gained from experience, his bowling at the death has been exceptional.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:08 am

Dutchy wrote:Jhye Richardson has been the standout quick of the BBL, and considering he plays half his games at the best batting pitch in the country he has been outstanding. Clearly the next in line for white ball and probably red ball national action IMO

His shoulder scares me, needs a lengthy break to get it right for the long term.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:09 am

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I too thought Siddle was past it but after watching a fair chunk of BBL I noticed there a re very few Aussie bowlers that can close an innings out and bowl at the toes, what Siddle has lost in other areas he has gained from experience, his bowling at the death has been exceptional.


Agree that Siddle has been great, but I find it unbelievable that so many young quicks cant bowl a good consistent yorker.

Siddle needs to be our National bowling coach, at least in white ball cricket.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:10 am

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Dutchy wrote:Jhye Richardson has been the standout quick of the BBL, and considering he plays half his games at the best batting pitch in the country he has been outstanding. Clearly the next in line for white ball and probably red ball national action IMO

His shoulder scares me, needs a lengthy break to get it right for the long term.


He has had a lengthy break, Im sure CA are all over his workloads, only 23 so plenty of time on his side.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:18 am

Dutchy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
I too thought Siddle was past it but after watching a fair chunk of BBL I noticed there a re very few Aussie bowlers that can close an innings out and bowl at the toes, what Siddle has lost in other areas he has gained from experience, his bowling at the death has been exceptional.


Agree that Siddle has been great, but I find it unbelievable that so many young quicks cant bowl a good consistent yorker.

Siddle needs to be our National bowling coach, at least in white ball cricket.

It's crazy, it should be your stock wicket taking ball, a few off -cutters then an outswinging quicker yorker.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:19 am

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He has had a lengthy break, Im sure CA are all over his workloads, only 23 so plenty of time on his side.

Watching him have to bowl the ball in from the boundary was a bit too 80's for my liking.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:22 am

Booney wrote:1st v 2nd

3rd "week" off

4th v 5th

Even the finals format is a joke.


Saturdays game here looks a potential wash out already, no game scheduled for Sunday but I guess even with playing this over a week and a half they don't have reserve days :roll:

They could still play this finals format over a 6-7 day period and wrap it up quickly
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:05 am

Dutchy wrote:
Booney wrote:1st v 2nd

3rd "week" off

4th v 5th

Even the finals format is a joke.


Saturdays game here looks a potential wash out already, no game scheduled for Sunday but I guess even with playing this over a week and a half they don't have reserve days :roll:

They could still play this finals format over a 6-7 day period and wrap it up quickly

That would be intelligent!

A washout sees us go another step, we'll need it if we're playing the Hurricanes again.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:09 am

The one good thing about such a long season is that we seem to be able to bollock our players back into some form, Neser has done alright lately and Salt has won us over to some degree.

Even losing the other other night, we still managed 207, take out Stanlake's contribution and we win.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Armchair expert » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:42 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:The one good thing about such a long season is that we seem to be able to bollock our players back into some form, Neser has done alright lately and Salt has won us over to some degree.

Even losing the other other night, we still managed 207, take out Stanlake's contribution and we win.


Stanlake is garbage but if that catch was taken by Wells then we probably would have won.

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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:49 am

Armchair expert wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:The one good thing about such a long season is that we seem to be able to bollock our players back into some form, Neser has done alright lately and Salt has won us over to some degree.

Even losing the other other night, we still managed 207, take out Stanlake's contribution and we win.


Stanlake is garbage but if that catch was taken by Wells then we probably would have won.

Hope Stanlake doesn't have a contract for next season

If that catch was taken Billy may have got another over too :lol: .

Imagine those figures, 1 over, 1/21
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:37 pm

When I was getting told not to worry about T20 cricket killing the game.....

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/jason-g ... 2020-01-28

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

As a title-winning coach with Adelaide Strikers in the KFC Big Bash League and with Yorkshire in England's county championship, Jason Gillespie has witnessed cricket's contemporary evolution from a vantage point few can match.

And the former Australia fast bowler has noted a distinct shift in players' aspirations and expectations over recent years that are subtly shifting the game's demographics, and might potentially bring profound change to the Test format.

With the Strikers finishing third in the BBL|09 regular season, and eyeing his third season in charge of Sussex in the UK after five years at the helm of Yorkshire, Gillespie can claim a rare breadth and depth of coaching experiences.

During that time, he has witnessed a growing number of senior cricketers keen to walk away from the first-class game upon passing age 30 with the aim of ending their careers in the shorter formats, a fact borne out even today by the news that New Zealand leg-spinner Todd Astle – a member of the Black Caps XI for the final Test of their recent Domain Series in Australia – was turning his back on red-ball cricket to concentrate on the shorter formats.

"As I've got to the back end of my career I've found it harder to maintain the level of commitment required to be fully invested in this (long-form) version of the game," 33-year-old Astle said in announcing his decision.

But while Gillespie expects that trend to continue growing among players of Astle's seniority, he also expects that ever more players will make choices much earlier in their careers to specialise in one-day (50-over) cricket and – potentially in even greater numbers – the 20-over format.

"I'm seeing players, and hearing of players, from all age groups who want to have conversations about the prospect of focusing on the shorter forms of the game," Gillespie told cricket.com.au recently.

"It's happening everywhere.

"Certainly, every county in England has at least one player who is having a conversation about potentially wanting to specialise in the shorter forms of the game."

For many ageing stars the likes of South Africa duo AB de Villiers and Dale Steyn, who signed with the KFC Big Bash this season having called time on their international commitments, the appeal of short-format competition is often the smaller window it occupies in the annual playing schedule.

However, Gillespie believes that the ongoing growth of T20 franchise competitions around the globe means young players who doubt they will earn international playing honours also see those tournaments as a genuine opportunity to experience life as an international cricketer.

In addition to established series such as BBL, the Indian Premier League and T20 tournaments in Pakistan and the Caribbean, South Africa launched their domestic T20 event last year and England's franchise-based The Hundred – a new twist on the 20-over format – begins in mid-2020.

As a result, players who might have otherwise foreseen their futures confined to state or county teams now believe honing their short-form skills might offer a more realistic chance to strut their stuff on the world stage as professional cricketers.

"If you've never played international cricket, it's the next best thing," Gillespie said of the lure that T20 competitions now provide.

"To play in different countries, be exposed to different cultures, different team environments, with different teammates and coaches.

"While there's certainly a financial carrot being dangled to become a franchise T20 player, there's also the opportunity to learn and improve and develop your game in a different environment, with different coaches who have different ideas on the game.

"It's exciting, and I think a lot of players are seeing that as a career path, especially if they don't see a future representing their own country.

"So I think we'll see more and more players making that that choice."

Gillespie also challenges perceptions that 20-over cricket holds appeal for players entering their twilight on-field years because it takes a lesser toll on their bodies.

The former quick, who played 71 Tests and 97 one-day internationals for Australia as well as a stint in the ill-fated Indian Cricket League T20 competition, echoed the thoughts of fellow fast bowler Mitchell Johnson that 20-over cricket can be the most physically demanding.

He claimed that was certainly the case for fast bowlers, who often take longer to recover from four overs at the crease and 16 overs in the field than they do to bounce back from a full ODI or four consecutive days of first-class cricket.

"It's because you're just not getting the volume and you're bowling in a high-intensity game," Gillespie said.

"So don't assume that T20 – because it's less overs – puts less stress on the body.

"I know players who pull up less sore from a 50-over game and from a day of (English county) Championship cricket than from a 20-over game."

Gillespie believes there will always be a strong core of players, particularly in Australia and the UK, who prioritise Test cricket over the shorter formats.

But as he's seen across almost a decade, since taking over as Yorkshire coach in late-2011, a Test cap is no longer the single, unifying ambition of a cricketer progressing through pathway programs into senior competitions.

"Ten years ago, that (Test ambition) was pretty exclusive, or it was very rare for someone to say, 'I prefer to play the shortest form of the game'," he said.

"But now, the players are increasingly looking at one-day and T20 as a genuine career option and foregoing the long form of the game."

Consequently, Gillespie admits to holding fears for the primacy of cricket's elite form among some of the 12 current Test-playing nations.

Test cricket will long remain a cornerstone in Australia and the UK, and over the immediate-term in India where – despite the upsurge in support for the IPL – the patronage of current men's captain Virat Kohli (an avowed advocate for Tests) will ensure the longest format remains strong.

Global administrators also see Pakistan (where Test cricket has recently returned after a prolonged hiatus due to security concerns) and Bangladesh as future standard-bearers for the Test game on the back of their vast populations and resultant pools of player talent.

However, on their most recent Test visit to Australia last November, Pakistan fielded a fast-bowling attack featuring teenagers Shaheen Shah Afridi (19), Muhammad Musa Khan (19) and Naseem Shah (16) after left-arm strike bowler Mohammad Amir (27) quit Test cricket to pursue short-form opportunities.

It's a similar situation to which the West Indies Test outfit has found itself in recent years, and other small nations (such as Sri Lanka) plus those not blessed with hefty coffers (South Africa and New Zealand) have faced questions about the viability of Test cricket in their respective domains.

Gillespie, who began his coaching journey in Zimbabwe's domestic franchise competition in 2010 and has also served as head coach for Papua New Guinea's national men's team, acknowledges the gathering appeal and drawing power of T20 competitions presents challenges for the Test game.

"I've got concerns for Test cricket outside of Australia and England," he said.

"India, I think there is still the appetite for the game because Indians just love cricket even though 50-over and T20 still rule there, and it's encouraging to see that New Zealand still rate it.

"But I fear for Test cricket in places like the West Indies and Sri Lanka and South Africa.

"It will always have a place here and in England, but the rest of the world I'm not so sure about.

"I guess we just have to wait and see."
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:09 pm

Booney wrote:When I was getting told not to worry about T20 cricket killing the game.....

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/jason-g ... 2020-01-28

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

As a title-winning coach with Adelaide Strikers in the KFC Big Bash League and with Yorkshire in England's county championship, Jason Gillespie has witnessed cricket's contemporary evolution from a vantage point few can match.

And the former Australia fast bowler has noted a distinct shift in players' aspirations and expectations over recent years that are subtly shifting the game's demographics, and might potentially bring profound change to the Test format.

With the Strikers finishing third in the BBL|09 regular season, and eyeing his third season in charge of Sussex in the UK after five years at the helm of Yorkshire, Gillespie can claim a rare breadth and depth of coaching experiences.

During that time, he has witnessed a growing number of senior cricketers keen to walk away from the first-class game upon passing age 30 with the aim of ending their careers in the shorter formats, a fact borne out even today by the news that New Zealand leg-spinner Todd Astle – a member of the Black Caps XI for the final Test of their recent Domain Series in Australia – was turning his back on red-ball cricket to concentrate on the shorter formats.

"As I've got to the back end of my career I've found it harder to maintain the level of commitment required to be fully invested in this (long-form) version of the game," 33-year-old Astle said in announcing his decision.

But while Gillespie expects that trend to continue growing among players of Astle's seniority, he also expects that ever more players will make choices much earlier in their careers to specialise in one-day (50-over) cricket and – potentially in even greater numbers – the 20-over format.

"I'm seeing players, and hearing of players, from all age groups who want to have conversations about the prospect of focusing on the shorter forms of the game," Gillespie told cricket.com.au recently.

"It's happening everywhere.

"Certainly, every county in England has at least one player who is having a conversation about potentially wanting to specialise in the shorter forms of the game."

For many ageing stars the likes of South Africa duo AB de Villiers and Dale Steyn, who signed with the KFC Big Bash this season having called time on their international commitments, the appeal of short-format competition is often the smaller window it occupies in the annual playing schedule.

However, Gillespie believes that the ongoing growth of T20 franchise competitions around the globe means young players who doubt they will earn international playing honours also see those tournaments as a genuine opportunity to experience life as an international cricketer.

In addition to established series such as BBL, the Indian Premier League and T20 tournaments in Pakistan and the Caribbean, South Africa launched their domestic T20 event last year and England's franchise-based The Hundred – a new twist on the 20-over format – begins in mid-2020.

As a result, players who might have otherwise foreseen their futures confined to state or county teams now believe honing their short-form skills might offer a more realistic chance to strut their stuff on the world stage as professional cricketers.

"If you've never played international cricket, it's the next best thing," Gillespie said of the lure that T20 competitions now provide.

"To play in different countries, be exposed to different cultures, different team environments, with different teammates and coaches.

"While there's certainly a financial carrot being dangled to become a franchise T20 player, there's also the opportunity to learn and improve and develop your game in a different environment, with different coaches who have different ideas on the game.

"It's exciting, and I think a lot of players are seeing that as a career path, especially if they don't see a future representing their own country.

"So I think we'll see more and more players making that that choice."

Gillespie also challenges perceptions that 20-over cricket holds appeal for players entering their twilight on-field years because it takes a lesser toll on their bodies.

The former quick, who played 71 Tests and 97 one-day internationals for Australia as well as a stint in the ill-fated Indian Cricket League T20 competition, echoed the thoughts of fellow fast bowler Mitchell Johnson that 20-over cricket can be the most physically demanding.

He claimed that was certainly the case for fast bowlers, who often take longer to recover from four overs at the crease and 16 overs in the field than they do to bounce back from a full ODI or four consecutive days of first-class cricket.

"It's because you're just not getting the volume and you're bowling in a high-intensity game," Gillespie said.

"So don't assume that T20 – because it's less overs – puts less stress on the body.

"I know players who pull up less sore from a 50-over game and from a day of (English county) Championship cricket than from a 20-over game."

Gillespie believes there will always be a strong core of players, particularly in Australia and the UK, who prioritise Test cricket over the shorter formats.

But as he's seen across almost a decade, since taking over as Yorkshire coach in late-2011, a Test cap is no longer the single, unifying ambition of a cricketer progressing through pathway programs into senior competitions.

"Ten years ago, that (Test ambition) was pretty exclusive, or it was very rare for someone to say, 'I prefer to play the shortest form of the game'," he said.

"But now, the players are increasingly looking at one-day and T20 as a genuine career option and foregoing the long form of the game."

Consequently, Gillespie admits to holding fears for the primacy of cricket's elite form among some of the 12 current Test-playing nations.

Test cricket will long remain a cornerstone in Australia and the UK, and over the immediate-term in India where – despite the upsurge in support for the IPL – the patronage of current men's captain Virat Kohli (an avowed advocate for Tests) will ensure the longest format remains strong.

Global administrators also see Pakistan (where Test cricket has recently returned after a prolonged hiatus due to security concerns) and Bangladesh as future standard-bearers for the Test game on the back of their vast populations and resultant pools of player talent.

However, on their most recent Test visit to Australia last November, Pakistan fielded a fast-bowling attack featuring teenagers Shaheen Shah Afridi (19), Muhammad Musa Khan (19) and Naseem Shah (16) after left-arm strike bowler Mohammad Amir (27) quit Test cricket to pursue short-form opportunities.

It's a similar situation to which the West Indies Test outfit has found itself in recent years, and other small nations (such as Sri Lanka) plus those not blessed with hefty coffers (South Africa and New Zealand) have faced questions about the viability of Test cricket in their respective domains.

Gillespie, who began his coaching journey in Zimbabwe's domestic franchise competition in 2010 and has also served as head coach for Papua New Guinea's national men's team, acknowledges the gathering appeal and drawing power of T20 competitions presents challenges for the Test game.

"I've got concerns for Test cricket outside of Australia and England," he said.

"India, I think there is still the appetite for the game because Indians just love cricket even though 50-over and T20 still rule there, and it's encouraging to see that New Zealand still rate it.

"But I fear for Test cricket in places like the West Indies and Sri Lanka and South Africa.

"It will always have a place here and in England, but the rest of the world I'm not so sure about.

"I guess we just have to wait and see."


Who was telling you such nonsense?

I think the traditional test cricket was dying off, the T20 introduced a new audience, the fast paced world that we live in doesn't allow the majority to sit back for 5 days to watch a game.

The gap between the better sides and the weaker sides is widening, the West Indies were the ones to set the trend as their cricket board froze player payments forcing their better players to pursue dollars off shore in the shorter games.

It would be interesting to see crowd numbers per season per opponent over the past couple of decades.

As a kid, day one at most venues would be sold out and then it was virtually impossible to purchase WSC tickets for a game featuring Australia, this was at any Australian venue, the T20 has saturated the game, it's turned the traditionalists away as much as it's introduced a new audience, the new don't appreciate the finer chess-like game though.

Dizzy is spot on, eventually nations will opt out of the test series unless there's a bigger carrot to dangle, there wont be a bigger carrot as the game doesn't attract the big crowds anymore, shorter games are being more appealing at community level too, the standard at community level has dropped off stupidly too.

Cricket is not as appealing to the public anymore, the T20 is a quick fix of the game for most and that satisfies the masses nowadays unfortunately.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:29 pm

Exactly what those of us were saying 5,7,9 years ago, T20 will kill Test cricket off as players chase the easy money and spectators with the attention spans of....what was I saying?
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:39 pm

Booney wrote:Exactly what those of us were saying 5,7,9 years ago, T20 will kill Test cricket off as players chase the easy money and spectators with the attention spans of....what was I saying?

Yeah, that.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby heater31 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:39 pm

Booney wrote:Exactly what those of us were saying 5,7,9 years ago, T20 will kill Test cricket off as players chase the easy money and spectators with the attention spans of....what was I saying?
5 to 10 years ago English County Cricket saw a drop in crowd numbers at 20/20 matches.....they have been playing this format since 2003. The novelty factor has gone.

For me I've only seen the Strikers live once in their entire existence, this season have barely watched a ball of the BBL.

Corporate Greed has killed the game and it's creeping into the game at grassroots level too!
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