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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:39 pm

    Lightning McQueen wrote:
    Brodlach wrote:Trump wants the US fully open May 1st

    And I want a weekend away with 2 nymphomaniac supermodels.


    Again?
    There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
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    Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

    Postby Brodlach » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:40 pm

    amber_fluid wrote:
      Lightning McQueen wrote:
      Brodlach wrote:Trump wants the US fully open May 1st

      And I want a weekend away with 2 nymphomaniac supermodels.


      Again?


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      Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

      Postby Jim05 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:41 pm

      Q. wrote:
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      Booney wrote:Virgin Australia asking the government for a $1.4bn loan to avoid going into administration.


      Chinese Conglomerate HNA Group own 20% of Virgin Australia and have refused to provide any financial assistance despite asking for the $1.4Bil handout. Any taxpayer bailout ends up in their hands and the rest of the foreign owners.
      Virgin Australia is owned by
      Singapore Airlines 20%
      Etihad 20%
      HNA Group 20%
      Nanshan 20%
      Richard Branson 10%
      Public shares 10%
      All the others apart from Branson have said no as they are dealing with their own debt issues.
      They are a good airline and we need 2 airlines in this country as they employ 10,000 Australians and have many thousands who are indirectly employed with them. They are a vital piece of our tourism industry but unfortunately due to the last CEO being terrible they lost too much money. The new CEO is excellent and has only been in the job 12 months but had Virgin on the road to profitability before this pandemic broke out. I don’t agree with just giving them a hand out but would be happy if they were helped out some way. Going into voluntary administration might be the only way forward and that would atleast get rid of a couple of deadweight owners


      This is actually a Singapore government sovereign wealth fund called Temasek Holdings.

      The latest accounts of the Singapore Government’s Temasek Holdings show it has S$313bn (AUD$364bn) in total assets, which is 1,300 times its share of the $1.4bn sought by Virgin Australia, based on its stake in Virgin Australia. 36 percent of its assets are liquid, such as held in the form of cash or “cash equivalents”, representing A$131bn.

      Our Government has the power, should they push a quick act through Parliament, to buy Virgin’s business on “just terms”. The whole lot - pilots, engineers, flight attendants, check-in staff, landing slots, terminals.

      I agree the best way forward is to cut the owners out. A couple of the owners would be more than happy to walk away from VA as they have other issues to deal with.
      I’m not sure the government is interested in any option ATM. Still a few more twists in this yet and I’m still hearing that Singapore Airlines through the government are waiting in the wings to swoop on the pieces. They have always been keen to set up in our domestic market and would give Qantas an almighty scare
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      Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

      Postby Jim05 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:43 pm

      am Bays wrote:
      Q. wrote:
      Jim05 wrote:
      Q. wrote:[quote="Booney"]Virgin Australia asking the government for a $1.4bn loan to avoid going into administration.


      Chinese Conglomerate HNA Group own 20% of Virgin Australia and have refused to provide any financial assistance despite asking for the $1.4Bil handout. Any taxpayer bailout ends up in their hands and the rest of the foreign owners.
      Virgin Australia is owned by
      Singapore Airlines 20%
      Etihad 20%
      HNA Group 20%
      Nanshan 20%
      Richard Branson 10%
      Public shares 10%
      All the others apart from Branson have said no as they are dealing with their own debt issues.
      They are a good airline and we need 2 airlines in this country as they employ 10,000 Australians and have many thousands who are indirectly employed with them. They are a vital piece of our tourism industry but unfortunately due to the last CEO being terrible they lost too much money. The new CEO is excellent and has only been in the job 12 months but had Virgin on the road to profitability before this pandemic broke out. I don’t agree with just giving them a hand out but would be happy if they were helped out some way. Going into voluntary administration might be the only way forward and that would atleast get rid of a couple of deadweight owners


      This is actually a Singapore government sovereign wealth fund called Temasek Holdings.

      The latest accounts of the Singapore Government’s Temasek Holdings show it has S$313bn (AUD$364bn) in total assets, which is 1,300 times its share of the $1.4bn sought by Virgin Australia, based on its stake in Virgin Australia. 36 percent of its assets are liquid, such as held in the form of cash or “cash equivalents”, representing A$131bn.

      Our Government has the power, should they push a quick act through Parliament, to buy Virgin’s business on “just terms”. The whole lot - pilots, engineers, flight attendants, check-in staff, landing slots, terminals.


      1.4 Billion to Virgin or 1 Billion into the Aged Care Sector.

      I think I know where I'd rather the Government funnel our money....

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-16/billion-dollar-life-line-needed-for-aged-care/12152450[/quote]$1.4bn is cheap compared to what Virgin collapsing would cost our tax payers in the long run. I work in the industry and a Qantas monopoly will cost the tax payers a lot more than that
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      Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

      Postby Booney » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:43 pm

      am Bays wrote:
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      Brodlach wrote:Trump wants the US fully open May 1st

      And I want a weekend away with 2 nymphomaniac supermodels.


      Who have their own liquor store and "tobacco" plantation...
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      Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

      Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:45 pm

      amber_fluid wrote:
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        Brodlach wrote:Trump wants the US fully open May 1st

        And I want a weekend away with 2 nymphomaniac supermodels.


        Again?

        Yeah, they hooked up with each other last time and it was cold outside.
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        Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

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        Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

        Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:45 pm

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        Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

        Postby amber_fluid » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:46 pm

        Lightning McQueen wrote:
        amber_fluid wrote:
          Lightning McQueen wrote:
          Brodlach wrote:Trump wants the US fully open May 1st

          And I want a weekend away with 2 nymphomaniac supermodels.


          Again?

          Yeah, they hooked up with each other last time and it was cold outside.


          Ahh so thats why you were using your willy as a hand warmer?
          There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Brodlach » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:35 pm

          Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Booney » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:37 pm

          Brodlach wrote:Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops


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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Booney » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:51 pm

          Brodlach wrote:Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops


          No changes for the next 4 weeks.

          I reckon at the end of that we'll definitely see changes, restaurants, pubs etc.
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Brodlach » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:54 pm

          Booney wrote:
          Brodlach wrote:Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops


          No changes for the next 4 weeks.

          I reckon at the end of that we'll definitely see changes, restaurants, pubs etc.


          I think if there is no spike with the expanded testing in the next two weeks that 4 weeks might be wound in a little
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Jase » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:54 pm

          Booney wrote:
          Brodlach wrote:Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops


          No changes for the next 4 weeks.

          I reckon at the end of that we'll definitely see changes, restaurants, pubs etc.


          From a selfish point of view, I would prefer to see Kid's sport opened up first, purely because Senior Miss Jase is bouncing off of the walls and desperate to get back to competition gymnastics...
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby amber_fluid » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:54 pm

          Booney wrote:
          Brodlach wrote:Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops


          No changes for the next 4 weeks.

          I reckon at the end of that we'll definitely see changes, restaurants, pubs etc.


          I’m not sure why they don’t put a date on it.
          Make it June 1st........... unless we see high cases reported daily.

          Businesses can at least then plan towards that date and inform employees of rosters etc.
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Brodlach » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:56 pm

          amber_fluid wrote:
          Booney wrote:
          Brodlach wrote:Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops


          No changes for the next 4 weeks.

          I reckon at the end of that we'll definitely see changes, restaurants, pubs etc.


          I’m not sure why they don’t put a date on it.
          Make it June 1st........... unless we see high cases reported daily.

          Businesses can at least then plan towards that date and inform employees of rosters etc.


          That’s what they will do I think in two weeks, see if there is a spike in the expanded testing first
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:01 pm

          Jase wrote:
          From a selfish point of view, I would prefer to see Kid's sport opened up first, purely because Senior Miss Jase is bouncing off of the walls and desperate to get back to competition gymnastics...

          You would think that non-contact sports could be one of the first to get back out there.
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:03 pm

          amber_fluid wrote:
          Booney wrote:
          Brodlach wrote:Watching ScoMo, most positive he has been.

          Reckon we will be moving to less restrictions within the month, 6 weeks tops


          No changes for the next 4 weeks.

          I reckon at the end of that we'll definitely see changes, restaurants, pubs etc.


          I’m not sure why they don’t put a date on it.
          Make it June 1st........... unless we see high cases reported daily.

          Businesses can at least then plan towards that date and inform employees of rosters etc.

          Because no one knows what's around the corner, the last thing they'd wanna do is make broken promises.

          I'd imagine they'd wait two weeks after Easter to see what spike occurs and then monitor things for a further two weeks, I'd rather them get it right the first time.
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Booney » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:03 pm

          I reckon he's got it right here, he's said enough to suggest in 4 weeks we'll be looking at lifting restrictions without actually saying in 4 weeks we'll be lifting restrictions.
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          Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

          Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:08 pm

          Booney wrote:I reckon he's got it right here, he's said enough to suggest in 4 weeks we'll be looking at lifting restrictions without actually saying in 4 weeks we'll be lifting restrictions.


          My philosophy on everything, it drives the missus and kids nuts, everything is always "we'll see".

          I never lock anything in until closer to the event.
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