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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:47 pm

Hazbeen wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
The Big Shrek wrote:I reckon you might see a reconsideration re player payments now crowds are allowed. It wouldn't be the first time rules have been made then changed during the lockdown period.

I think some clubs really should be allowed or they are at risk of falling over.


You only have 3 weeks left to transfer in or out. If they are going to change the rules they would want to make it quickly as players will start making up their minds prior.

surely no clearances are being processed by the CFL at the moment?


Been opened since May 15th

I havent seen any senior players approved on the BL&G clearance list, saw 3 juniors cleared in June.
Is it different on the APFL clearance page?
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:50 pm

LaughingKookaburra wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
The Big Shrek wrote:I reckon you might see a reconsideration re player payments now crowds are allowed. It wouldn't be the first time rules have been made then changed during the lockdown period.

I think some clubs really should be allowed or they are at risk of falling over.


You only have 3 weeks left to transfer in or out. If they are going to change the rules they would want to make it quickly as players will start making up their minds prior.

surely no clearances are being processed by the CFL at the moment?


Why not? If clubs and players remain uncertain and other leagues have clear outlines to resume then they are well within their right to shift.


Crap, they should be made to play where they were going to at the start of the season, if that league doesnt play, bad luck.
This shouldnt be left to individual clubs and players, the CFL has to show leadership and put a stop to it
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Swamp Donkey » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:35 am

daysofourlives wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Why not? If clubs and players remain uncertain and other leagues have clear outlines to resume then they are well within their right to shift.


Crap, they should be made to play where they were going to at the start of the season, if that league doesnt play, bad luck.
This shouldnt be left to individual clubs and players, the CFL has to show leadership and put a stop to it


100% agree.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby LaughingKookaburra » Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:45 am

So what happens if players agree to go to a league or club and even prior to the player payments being abolished it was made clear to them that they weren’t getting paid what they had signed up to because of financial hardship or clubs made the choice as it wasn’t worth their output for a shortened season? This point is a 2 way street. I do agree that players should be limited to where they can go however....
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Dutchy » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:53 am

How can you stop players from playing? Do that and likely to get more leaving the league that stops them next year.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby football tragic » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:40 am

Biggest issue here from the Adelaide plains is they haven't been clear In the direction.....
Clubs have had plenty of time to arrange training etc but there has been no clarity from the league around a possible start date for season 2020.
Therefore most clubs have probably put the cue in the rack
The fact they didn't follow the lead of the amateur league and put a date down to work towards is astounding.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby The Big Shrek » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:44 am

Swamp Donkey wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Why not? If clubs and players remain uncertain and other leagues have clear outlines to resume then they are well within their right to shift.


Crap, they should be made to play where they were going to at the start of the season, if that league doesnt play, bad luck.
This shouldnt be left to individual clubs and players, the CFL has to show leadership and put a stop to it


100% agree.


So a marquee player gets pursued by a club 300km from Adelaide and offered $1000 per match to play football. He sees it as a job rather than playing for the love of the jumper. The club he signs for knows this full well but is happy to pay the money for him to play.

Now he has to keep travelling 300km to play or sit out the season?

Too bad for the club IMO. It's the club that can't keep up their end of the bargain so all agreements are gone.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby football tragic » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:57 am

The Big Shrek wrote:
Swamp Donkey wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Why not? If clubs and players remain uncertain and other leagues have clear outlines to resume then they are well within their right to shift.


Crap, they should be made to play where they were going to at the start of the season, if that league doesnt play, bad luck.
This shouldnt be left to individual clubs and players, the CFL has to show leadership and put a stop to it


100% agree.


So a marquee player gets pursued by a club 300km from Adelaide and offered $1000 per match to play football. He sees it as a job rather than playing for the love of the jumper. The club he signs for knows this full well but is happy to pay the money for him to play.

Now he has to keep travelling 300km to play or sit out the season?

Too bad for the club IMO. It's the club that can't keep up their end of the bargain so all agreements are gone.



Totally agree..
What about the clubs who put sub standard A grade teams on the park each week as they don't have the bank balance rather then forfeiting and now the clubs that do have the balance want to pull out as they wont have the quality due to not having the top end paid players....??
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:06 am

GIDDY UP! wrote:
football tragic wrote:Crowds will be allowed as will be canteens and bars, inside club rooms will be the per 2 sq metre rule as it is in WA.
Community football know that without this they wont have a comp....and they are the ones directing clubs to start training....
Amateur clubs are all flat out training so not sure why APFL clubs wouldn't be.


I just have a quick question.... if the season is to go ahead and crowds are allowed but player payments won’t go ahead, How are teams like United, Virginia, Angle Vale, Hamley who mostly rely heavily on imports going to go? Cause I’m sure 75-80% of imports won’t be playing for free


Hamley and United have very limited population to draw players from, Hummocks aren't much better although if the YPFL folds for the season they may have an influx.

Angle Vale have some serious young talent around the place, keeping them there is the key to it, they have a pretty strong junior program full stop, they're bridging the gap bit by bit using mainly home grown products.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Mythical Creature » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:29 pm

The Big Shrek wrote:
Swamp Donkey wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Why not? If clubs and players remain uncertain and other leagues have clear outlines to resume then they are well within their right to shift.


Crap, they should be made to play where they were going to at the start of the season, if that league doesnt play, bad luck.
This shouldnt be left to individual clubs and players, the CFL has to show leadership and put a stop to it


100% agree.


So a marquee player gets pursued by a club 300km from Adelaide and offered $1000 per match to play football. He sees it as a job rather than playing for the love of the jumper. The club he signs for knows this full well but is happy to pay the money for him to play.

Now he has to keep travelling 300km to play or sit out the season?

Too bad for the club IMO. It's the club that can't keep up their end of the bargain so all agreements are gone.


Not too many clubs would have a marquee player. Maybe a few do.
No club is 300km away in our league.
The clubs have their hands tied, the salary cap is zero when they may not have been in favour of any reduction. Can hardly say it's the clubs fault.

Anyway, United had their first training last night and went well. Believe it was a wise decision to wait until now.

Given the changing landscape my opinion is it will be beneficial to get something going now and can see that it's possible.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby The Big Shrek » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:45 pm

MC it's not anyone's fault but at the end of the day the club's end of the bargain can't be held up so how can you hold the player to his?

The 300km point was made because some clubs are that far from Adelaide in other leagues. A decision to halt clearances would realistically have to be statewide and not just intra-league. The precise distance doesn't really matter though, what matters is that the contract can no longer be fulfilled by one party.

If Valor Thach is not a marquee player then something is wrong at Long Plains.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Yank Man » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:54 pm

The Big Shrek wrote:MC it's not anyone's fault but at the end of the day the club's end of the bargain can't be held up so how can you hold the player to his?

The 300km point was made because some clubs are that far from Adelaide in other leagues. A decision to halt clearances would realistically have to be statewide and not just intra-league. The precise distance doesn't really matter though, what matters is that the contract can no longer be fulfilled by one party.

If Valor Thach is not a marquee player then something is wrong at Long Plains.



I guess, Shrek, that a lot of things will play out from now and June 30, but I agree with you 100% if a player wants to come back to the city and play with a few mates for zero income, then that should be the end of it. If the club he signed with for 2020 can’t uphold the contract then he should be allowed to at least enjoy 2020 and play. Difficult times as we are in should take precedence.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:16 am

Will be a couple of interesting meetings next week whilst everyone is still in the dark on a few key issues.

Here's some points from the email:
WHAT WE KNOW:

Up to 500 spectators will be allowed from Jul 3. This figure doesn’t include players/coaches/officials; however, any player who is at the ground before or after their game (excepting reasonable warm up time) is included in the 500. ouch, how is this monitored/policed.
Clubs will be responsible for implementing plans to manage spectator numbers. More details to follow on what this might look like.
Clubrooms will remain governed by the regulations that apply to licensed premises, currently 20 per room up to a maximum of 80. Subject to change as restrictions on licensed premises change feasible
There will be no changes to current protocols prior to 3 Jul. Training requirements remain as they are for now.
SAPOL are not actively looking to reprimand clubs (unless they are breaking the law). Clubs are required to have a COVID Safe plan and to adhere to it. If SAPOL identify a club that is non-compliant they will work with the club to address the problem. A club that is subsequently found to still be non-compliant (or simply shows disregard for regulations) may face fines. more volunteers, with added stress of telling people they can't come in the gates because they are full, will need additional volunteers to man the other entry points
SANFL have requested that leagues inform them whether the season will proceed by Wed 17 Jun. There will be another league/SANFL meeting on 22 Jun and a club session on 24 Jun.
Marsh insurance premiums will be reduced. Clubs will be required to pay the $600 liability fee but, where a season is shortened, the player injury fees will be reduced by 22.5%. not a win for anyone
Although not encouraged, players will be permitted to play in 2 teams if necessary i.e. senior colts can play seniors or junior colts play senior colts.
Player payments are set at $0 with exception of travel and incentives.


WHAT WE DON’T KNOW (YET)

Whether change room restrictions will be lifted to enable access to showers and change areas (and whether the whole team can be in there at the same time). outrageous, needs to be addressed before Monday's meeting
Whether there will be any restrictions on canteens that may restrict or inhibit the use of canteen staff and the ways food and beverages are sold/served. surely not, most clubs have a canteen accessible from a verandah and your local Bunnings or Supermarket is a far bigger risk.
Whether gate/canteen is to be cashless. unreasonable
Whether an agreement for reduced payments can be reached with the umpires


WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

If the league voted to conduct a season in 2020, is your club in a position to make a decision on participating with the current information available?
If you aren’t in a position to decide, what information do you need to make a decision?


There's a lot of hoops to jump though and wrinkles to iron out, I expect Wednesdays meeting to be a very lengthy one.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby magpieeagle » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:34 am

YPFL has cancelled 2020.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:03 am

magpieeagle wrote:YPFL has cancelled 2020.


3 clubs had already stated that they are sitting out so that was inevitable.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby daysofourlives » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:27 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Will be a couple of interesting meetings next week whilst everyone is still in the dark on a few key issues.

Here's some points from the email:
WHAT WE KNOW:

Up to 500 spectators will be allowed from Jul 3. This figure doesn’t include players/coaches/officials; however, any player who is at the ground before or after their game (excepting reasonable warm up time) is included in the 500. ouch, how is this monitored/policed.
Clubs will be responsible for implementing plans to manage spectator numbers. More details to follow on what this might look like.
Clubrooms will remain governed by the regulations that apply to licensed premises, currently 20 per room up to a maximum of 80. Subject to change as restrictions on licensed premises change feasible
There will be no changes to current protocols prior to 3 Jul. Training requirements remain as they are for now.
SAPOL are not actively looking to reprimand clubs (unless they are breaking the law). Clubs are required to have a COVID Safe plan and to adhere to it. If SAPOL identify a club that is non-compliant they will work with the club to address the problem. A club that is subsequently found to still be non-compliant (or simply shows disregard for regulations) may face fines. more volunteers, with added stress of telling people they can't come in the gates because they are full, will need additional volunteers to man the other entry points
SANFL have requested that leagues inform them whether the season will proceed by Wed 17 Jun. There will be another league/SANFL meeting on 22 Jun and a club session on 24 Jun.
Marsh insurance premiums will be reduced. Clubs will be required to pay the $600 liability fee but, where a season is shortened, the player injury fees will be reduced by 22.5%. not a win for anyone
Although not encouraged, players will be permitted to play in 2 teams if necessary i.e. senior colts can play seniors or junior colts play senior colts.
Player payments are set at $0 with exception of travel and incentives.


WHAT WE DON’T KNOW (YET)

Whether change room restrictions will be lifted to enable access to showers and change areas (and whether the whole team can be in there at the same time). outrageous, needs to be addressed before Monday's meeting
Whether there will be any restrictions on canteens that may restrict or inhibit the use of canteen staff and the ways food and beverages are sold/served. surely not, most clubs have a canteen accessible from a verandah and your local Bunnings or Supermarket is a far bigger risk.
Whether gate/canteen is to be cashless. unreasonable
Whether an agreement for reduced payments can be reached with the umpires


WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

If the league voted to conduct a season in 2020, is your club in a position to make a decision on participating with the current information available?
If you aren’t in a position to decide, what information do you need to make a decision?


There's a lot of hoops to jump though and wrinkles to iron out, I expect Wednesdays meeting to be a very lengthy one.


At least country clubs will be familiar with sheep counters which seems an appropriate tool considering how the government want us to behave.
So at 12 30 when the A grade star tturning up, if there is 500 already there they cant get in to play??
Very quiet on the change room front. At this stage cant be used. Next logical step is to be used but with cleaning between games? Makes it impossible to fit 5 games in for the day but its also possible for a player to play 2 games thus defeating the purpose of cleaning. We know from other protocols that there is no consistency with anything so this scenario is entirely possible.
Amateur league is fine with their 2 games in a day and 100 people.
I can see why leagues are pulling the pin.
Well done to the CFL on pitting leagues and players against each other, you are certainly a shining light for the guidance of football in this state. Must be devastating to miss out on the Zone carnival weekend junket this year. =D> =D>
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby magpieeagle » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:34 pm

BREAKING: SA Premier Steven Marshall has announced further easing of COVID-19 restrictions. The commencement of Stage 3 will take place on Monday, June 29. Stage 2.5 will kick-off next Friday by allowing the 20 person per room limit to rise to 75 people and 80-person cap per venue to grow to 300. SA borders will also reopen on Monday, July 20.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Snags » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:18 pm

Mythical Creature wrote:
GIDDY UP! wrote:
football tragic wrote:Crowds will be allowed as will be canteens and bars, inside club rooms will be the per 2 sq metre rule as it is in WA.
Community football know that without this they wont have a comp....and they are the ones directing clubs to start training....
Amateur clubs are all flat out training so not sure why APFL clubs wouldn't be.


I just have a quick question.... if the season is to go ahead and crowds are allowed but player payments won’t go ahead, How are teams like United, Virginia, Angle Vale, Hamley who mostly rely heavily on imports going to go? Cause I’m sure 75-80% of imports won’t be playing for free]

I'm sure all clubs will be fine. Actually 100% of players will be playing for free!
Heard Camplin could be going back to Salisbury North?


Camplin is two wells B grade coach, he won’t be going anywhere.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby football tragic » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:24 pm

Heard Balak maybe the only side that isn't keen on 2020
Also the SANFL are very keen to get the season underway even if 2 sides decide to sit it out
anyone heard similar?
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:49 am

Sounds like a pretty full on meeting last night with nothing set in concrete, it's going to be a very long intense meeting tomorrow night.
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