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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby billy » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:52 pm

3 pairs of Clubs closest together by physical proximity

(Adelaide) Glandore - (Sturt) Price Memorial 4km
(Prospect) Prospect Oval - (Adelaide University). Park 12 4.2km
(Woodville) Woodville Oval - (Port Adelaide) Portland oval 5.8km


Others

Woodville - West Torrens Henley Oval 7.3km
Adelaide University(Park 12) - Adelaide (Glandore) 7.5km
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Aerie » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:36 pm

Aeropti wrote:
Aerie wrote:Re juniors, I would think priority would be to not have the SACA comp clash with school cricket. So schools on Saturday, SACA and Turf on Sunday. One U15 and U17 team would be fine with fluidity between SACA club and Turf club. Perhaps every player is registered and pays subs to their turf club and the SACA comp is funded so juniors don’t pay two lots of subs.

Re seniors, again, if there is fluidity of player movement between SACA and Turf clubs, less teams would be fine.

I’d have a Premier League of the top 8 clubs playing each other club in all 3 formats plus finals.
Then a District League of the remaining 5 clubs and the 2nds of the Premier League.
Then the 3rds, with an option for those not in Premier League to field two teams if they wish.

The premier of the District League, if not already in a Premier League, would replace wooden spooner of Premier League in promotion/relegation system.

This would improve standard of top level and make current 2nd Grade/District League far more competitive and important.


Where that falls down is any player with serious state aspirations has to move any time the club is relegated. Becomes a revolving Much simpler to get rid of three teams altogether imo. Keep 4 grades with 10 clubs should raise the standard of 4th grade and clean out some of the players who have no prospect of playing higher.

Get rid of 16 whites. Lots of kids in it who are not much good and are only money makers for the clubs. Keep 14 whites but very much bowlers bowl and batter bat. Seeing 14s teams where every bowler gets a bowl regardless of ability is no good imo.

I’m not sure it’s simpler getting rid of clubs than it is moving players between clubs. The whole point is having the best against the best at the top level. You also don’t want to limit opportunities for kids coming through.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Aerie » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:44 pm

With the benefit of hindsight, was the Salisbury/Elizabeth merger a success? Would’ve a stand alone Salisbury be stronger now than Northern Districts? Or does the merger have nothing to do with it. Northerns were still strong 10+ years ago.

I would be reluctant to merge any clubs that have strength.

The only merger that makes sense to me is Prospect and University.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:02 pm

Aerie wrote:With the benefit of hindsight, was the Salisbury/Elizabeth merger a success? Would’ve a stand alone Salisbury be stronger now than Northern Districts? Or does the merger have nothing to do with it. Northerns were still strong 10+ years ago.

From what I hear a lot of old Salisbury people were extremely unhappy about the merger and haven't gone back. They were the strongest club through the 80s, state players everywhere.

Elizabeth was only in for a season or two. Was no need to merge. Should have just folded Elizabeth CC or they go to ATCA. It would be like Collingwood merging with the Suns if they fall over.

Biggest change though is the Salisbury/Elizabeth demographic. Used to be a traditional working class footy winter/cricket summer culture. Produced heaps of good players. Now highly multicultural, soccer playing or sedentary culture. Cricket clubs struggling. Fewer players coming through. Cricket has become a rich area game, like rugby union in NSW.

Added to that the relationship with the Barossa has soured. Not sure the background there.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby maxi » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:34 am

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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby bowl100 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:04 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
Aerie wrote:With the benefit of hindsight, was the Salisbury/Elizabeth merger a success? Would’ve a stand alone Salisbury be stronger now than Northern Districts? Or does the merger have nothing to do with it. Northerns were still strong 10+ years ago.

From what I hear a lot of old Salisbury people were extremely unhappy about the merger and haven't gone back. They were the strongest club through the 80s, state players everywhere.

Elizabeth was only in for a season or two. Was no need to merge. Should have just folded Elizabeth CC or they go to ATCA. It would be like Collingwood merging with the Suns if they fall over.

Biggest change though is the Salisbury/Elizabeth demographic. Used to be a traditional working class footy winter/cricket summer culture. Produced heaps of good players. Now highly multicultural, soccer playing or sedentary culture. Cricket clubs struggling. Fewer players coming through. Cricket has become a rich area game, like rugby union in NSW.

Added to that the relationship with the Barossa has soured. Not sure the background there.


Northern Districts should be playing at Nuriootpa oval, Southerns at Encounter bay.
Better ovals than what they currently play on and gets more of their catchment areas involved.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby daysofourlives » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:57 pm

bowl100 wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:
Aerie wrote:With the benefit of hindsight, was the Salisbury/Elizabeth merger a success? Would’ve a stand alone Salisbury be stronger now than Northern Districts? Or does the merger have nothing to do with it. Northerns were still strong 10+ years ago.

From what I hear a lot of old Salisbury people were extremely unhappy about the merger and haven't gone back. They were the strongest club through the 80s, state players everywhere.

Elizabeth was only in for a season or two. Was no need to merge. Should have just folded Elizabeth CC or they go to ATCA. It would be like Collingwood merging with the Suns if they fall over.

Biggest change though is the Salisbury/Elizabeth demographic. Used to be a traditional working class footy winter/cricket summer culture. Produced heaps of good players. Now highly multicultural, soccer playing or sedentary culture. Cricket clubs struggling. Fewer players coming through. Cricket has become a rich area game, like rugby union in NSW.

Added to that the relationship with the Barossa has soured. Not sure the background there.


Northern Districts should be playing at Nuriootpa oval, Southerns at Encounter bay.
Better ovals than what they currently play on and gets more of their catchment areas involved.


What do you reckon Nuri CC would say about that?
Thats your problem right there, unless an entire facility gets built its never going to happen.
Gawler is very short on Ovals, the town has increased massively over the last 15 years yet not one oval has been built, i think a complete new set up somewhere in that area would be perfect for Northern to move into
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:06 pm

A joint Jets/Trinity College facility would be ideal
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby daysofourlives » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:58 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:A joint Jets/Trinity College facility would be ideal


Yeah, theres some vacant paddocks around there to add to their facilities.
Its criminal that councils and governments can make a town so much bigger but not provide any sporting facilities nor spend any money on their current facilities. The council is broke mainly because Hewitt is in the Light Council area. All they are interested in is a few green areas with trees and shrubs amongst these big developments
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:37 am

Yep, a bit of grass, a path, a wetlands area and a basketball ring allows them to tick off every open space / sporting / recreation / environmental / dog walking / storm water run off requirement there is. For the minimum ongoing cost and minimum space used.

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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby bulldogproud » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:11 pm

Aeropti wrote:
Aerie wrote:Re juniors, I would think priority would be to not have the SACA comp clash with school cricket. So schools on Saturday, SACA and Turf on Sunday. One U15 and U17 team would be fine with fluidity between SACA club and Turf club. Perhaps every player is registered and pays subs to their turf club and the SACA comp is funded so juniors don’t pay two lots of subs.

Re seniors, again, if there is fluidity of player movement between SACA and Turf clubs, less teams would be fine.

I’d have a Premier League of the top 8 clubs playing each other club in all 3 formats plus finals.
Then a District League of the remaining 5 clubs and the 2nds of the Premier League.
Then the 3rds, with an option for those not in Premier League to field two teams if they wish.

The premier of the District League, if not already in a Premier League, would replace wooden spooner of Premier League in promotion/relegation system.

This would improve standard of top level and make current 2nd Grade/District League far more competitive and important.


Where that falls down is any player with serious state aspirations has to move any time the club is relegated. Becomes a revolving Much simpler to get rid of three teams altogether imo. Keep 4 grades with 10 clubs should raise the standard of 4th grade and clean out some of the players who have no prospect of playing higher.

Get rid of 16 whites. Lots of kids in it who are not much good and are only money makers for the clubs. Keep 14 whites but very much bowlers bowl and batter bat. Seeing 14s teams where every bowler gets a bowl regardless of ability is no good imo.


Is it truly a better option to force three clubs to go rather than have one or two players change clubs at the end of a season? After all, the reason the club would have been relegated is because most of their players were not currently up to A Grade standard.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:46 am

Tony Clifton wrote:
Aerie wrote:With the benefit of hindsight, was the Salisbury/Elizabeth merger a success? Would’ve a stand alone Salisbury be stronger now than Northern Districts? Or does the merger have nothing to do with it. Northerns were still strong 10+ years ago.

From what I hear a lot of old Salisbury people were extremely unhappy about the merger and haven't gone back. They were the strongest club through the 80s, state players everywhere.

Elizabeth was only in for a season or two. Was no need to merge. Should have just folded Elizabeth CC or they go to ATCA. It would be like Collingwood merging with the Suns if they fall over.

Biggest change though is the Salisbury/Elizabeth demographic. Used to be a traditional working class footy winter/cricket summer culture. Produced heaps of good players. Now highly multicultural, soccer playing or sedentary culture. Cricket clubs struggling. Fewer players coming through. Cricket has become a rich area game, like rugby union in NSW.

Added to that the relationship with the Barossa has soured. Not sure the background there.


Elizabeth was only in A Grade for a couple of years, they had spent time in the the B & C Grade comps prior to that, they got their stripes the same year as Southern Districts.

The merger should never have taken place, Elizabeth were financially secure it seemed, they had a thriving junior program and plenty of youth in their A Grade, it soured a lot of Elizabethans too that never played for the Jets.

Elizabeth were very successful in the ATCA, hence the move to SACA, they had some great names and strong leaders, they even had a scholarship trust to retain young players who struggled with the costs of district cricket.

Ideally, it would've been great to have a Gawler/Barossa based club at the time even though it would've thinned out the A grade comp even more today, they may aswell of had 16 clubs with two divisions as it it is tripe now and will never be fixed.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:31 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:
Aerie wrote:With the benefit of hindsight, was the Salisbury/Elizabeth merger a success? Would’ve a stand alone Salisbury be stronger now than Northern Districts? Or does the merger have nothing to do with it. Northerns were still strong 10+ years ago.

From what I hear a lot of old Salisbury people were extremely unhappy about the merger and haven't gone back. They were the strongest club through the 80s, state players everywhere.

Elizabeth was only in for a season or two. Was no need to merge. Should have just folded Elizabeth CC or they go to ATCA. It would be like Collingwood merging with the Suns if they fall over.

Biggest change though is the Salisbury/Elizabeth demographic. Used to be a traditional working class footy winter/cricket summer culture. Produced heaps of good players. Now highly multicultural, soccer playing or sedentary culture. Cricket clubs struggling. Fewer players coming through. Cricket has become a rich area game, like rugby union in NSW.

Added to that the relationship with the Barossa has soured. Not sure the background there.


Elizabeth was only in A Grade for a couple of years, they had spent time in the the B & C Grade comps prior to that, they got their stripes the same year as Southern Districts.

The merger should never have taken place, Elizabeth were financially secure it seemed, they had a thriving junior program and plenty of youth in their A Grade, it soured a lot of Elizabethans too that never played for the Jets.

Elizabeth were very successful in the ATCA, hence the move to SACA, they had some great names and strong leaders, they even had a scholarship trust to retain young players who struggled with the costs of district cricket.

Ideally, it would've been great to have a Gawler/Barossa based club at the time even though it would've thinned out the A grade comp even more today, they may aswell of had 16 clubs with two divisions as it it is tripe now and will never be fixed.


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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby maxi » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:57 pm

Shaun Tait departed Adelaide cc

Any other clubs on outlook for a coach
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Corona Man » Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:10 pm

maxi wrote:Shaun Tait departed Adelaide cc

Any other clubs on outlook for a coach

1 season... wow.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Eagles2014 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:51 pm

maxi wrote:Shaun Tait departed Adelaide cc

Any other clubs on outlook for a coach


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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:40 pm

maxi wrote:Shaun Tait departed Adelaide cc

Any other clubs on outlook for a coach

Do you know why?

The club seemed to go quite well last season
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Arch44 » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:36 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
maxi wrote:Shaun Tait departed Adelaide cc

Any other clubs on outlook for a coach

Do you know why?

The club seemed to go quite well last season


Redbacks maybe? :shock:
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:01 pm

Whisper that there's a few bucks going on the table to incentivise clubs to merge

Again

Maybe that's why the grant dollars are drying up
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Bedge » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:58 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:Whisper that there's a few bucks going on the table to incentivise clubs to merge

Again

Maybe that's why the grant dollars are drying up

Stuff the merger path, it's been tried and failed.

Set a standard list of requirements for clubs to meet - those who don't, send to ATCA.
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