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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:00 pm

Apparently sporting grounds with under 40k capacity will be allowed 25% capacity from July
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:03 pm

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Stage 3 brought forward from Friday July 3 to Monday June 29th. Was meant to be 100 people in venues etc, that is now 1 person per 4m2

Next Friday 20 per room goes to 75 per room. Venue max from 80 to 300.

State borders open Monday July 20th - SA may have open borders with WA/NT

International borders remain closed ( as in 14 day quarantine )
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:11 pm

The Prime Minister has hinted that ticketed members of sporting clubs will be able to watch games live before the winter season is complete.

After expanding on the four-square-metre rule – which now replaces the 100-person rule under step three – Mr Morrison said events in stadiums of 40,000 people or less will now be able to accommodate a 25 per cent capacity.

The PM hinted that stadiums would likely see returns of crowds in July.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:14 pm

Booney wrote:The Prime Minister has hinted that ticketed members of sporting clubs will be able to watch games live before the winter season is complete.

After expanding on the four-square-metre rule – which now replaces the 100-person rule under step three – Mr Morrison said events in stadiums of 40,000 people or less will now be able to accommodate a 25 per cent capacity.

The PM hinted that stadiums would likely see returns of crowds in July.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:05 pm

Did my bit for the local economy with a few nights seeing how the other half live in the Barossa.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Q. » Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:07 pm

Booney wrote:The Prime Minister has hinted that ticketed members of sporting clubs will be able to watch games live before the winter season is complete.

After expanding on the four-square-metre rule – which now replaces the 100-person rule under step three – Mr Morrison said events in stadiums of 40,000 people or less will now be able to accommodate a 25 per cent capacity.

The PM hinted that stadiums would likely see returns of crowds in July.

We'll be able to go to the footy!!


The messaging is not at all confusing:

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby whufc » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:49 am

Q. wrote:
Booney wrote:The Prime Minister has hinted that ticketed members of sporting clubs will be able to watch games live before the winter season is complete.

After expanding on the four-square-metre rule – which now replaces the 100-person rule under step three – Mr Morrison said events in stadiums of 40,000 people or less will now be able to accommodate a 25 per cent capacity.

The PM hinted that stadiums would likely see returns of crowds in July.

We'll be able to go to the footy!!


The messaging is not at all confusing:

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In fairness if given the chance to explain I’m sure Morrison would talk about how a sporting crowd can be much easier to structure than a fluid protest, eg seats given in a specific pattern to ensure social distancing. 100% contact tracing on all spectators which simply can’t happen at a protest.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:19 pm

Some more info on the thinking of SA Health's reasons for continued shut down
The reasons pokey machines are still closed is people have to use coins. Coins can carry the virus (Cue @Wedgie)

They are still worried about the 2nd wave even though the last case was the one they let in
One can only wonder what excuse they will have in 3 months if there are no more cases.................

Marshall has to not extend their powers. D Day is 28th June when the current declaration expires.

There have been no new cases since 26th May
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Q. » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:40 pm

whufc wrote:In fairness if given the chance to explain I’m sure Morrison would talk about how a sporting crowd can be much easier to structure than a fluid protest, eg seats given in a specific pattern to ensure social distancing. 100% contact tracing on all spectators which simply can’t happen at a protest.


Good point, but we should recognise the lengths that WAR went to to ensure measures were taken in light of COVID - hand sanitiser, face masks, groups of 10 etc
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Q. » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:42 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:Some more info on the thinking of SA Health's reasons for continued shut down
The reasons pokey machines are still closed is people have to use coins. Coins can carry the virus (Cue @Wedgie)

They are still worried about the 2nd wave even though the last case was the one they let in
One can only wonder what excuse they will have in 3 months if there are no more cases.................

Marshall has to not extend their powers. D Day is 28th June when the current declaration expires.

There have been no new cases since 26th May


What is your intel Jimmy - surely this would be highly unlikely?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:50 pm

Q. wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:Some more info on the thinking of SA Health's reasons for continued shut down
The reasons pokey machines are still closed is people have to use coins. Coins can carry the virus (Cue @Wedgie)

They are still worried about the 2nd wave even though the last case was the one they let in
One can only wonder what excuse they will have in 3 months if there are no more cases.................

Marshall has to not extend their powers. D Day is 28th June when the current declaration expires.

There have been no new cases since 26th May


What is your intel Jimmy - surely this would be highly unlikely?


Sorry, I checked tonight: 55 days since our last case so they must have classed the lady as a Victorian stat.
No one knows what they’re going to do.
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It’s destroying State industry for no reason other than SA Health being power drunk.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:10 pm

This is scary. Bill Gates 5 years ago warning about all of this

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:09 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Q. wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:Some more info on the thinking of SA Health's reasons for continued shut down
The reasons pokey machines are still closed is people have to use coins. Coins can carry the virus (Cue @Wedgie)

They are still worried about the 2nd wave even though the last case was the one they let in
One can only wonder what excuse they will have in 3 months if there are no more cases.................

Marshall has to not extend their powers. D Day is 28th June when the current declaration expires.

There have been no new cases since 26th May


What is your intel Jimmy - surely this would be highly unlikely?


Sorry, I checked tonight: 55 days since our last case so they must have classed the lady as a Victorian stat.
No one knows what they’re going to do.
Marshall better grow a pair or the media are going to have a field day with angry SA corporates coming out against him.
It’s destroying State industry for no reason other than SA Health being power drunk.


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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:09 am

US of A :

Cases 2,181,597

Deaths 118,265

Active cases 1,183,524
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:11 am

Q. wrote:The messaging is not at all confusing:


From what I saw of the protests ( thousands mingling in Victoria Square ) to what I saw at the footy Saturday night ( 3 seats between people, 3 rows between people ) there's nothing overly confusing about it at all. One can be policed, one can't.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:09 am

Booney wrote:
Q. wrote:The messaging is not at all confusing:


From what I saw of the protests ( thousands mingling in Victoria Square ) to what I saw at the footy Saturday night ( 3 seats between people, 3 rows between people ) there's nothing overly confusing about it at all. One can be policed, one can't.
I think there is a clear difference between the 2.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:21 am

Jimmy_041 wrote: Sorry, I checked tonight: 55 days since our last case so they must have classed the lady as a Victorian stat.


Interesting that SA Health show 26th May as the last case but a Commonwealth one I saw said it was 55 days.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:22 am

Turning to Sweden:

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A very Swedish sort of failure
Sweden’s overall mortality rate is still lower than some other countries that have instituted much stricter lockdowns. But there is less evidence that Sweden has succeeded in flattening the curve of infection.

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Jun 16, 2020 – 9.48am

There is something ghoulish about the way the rest of the world is watching Sweden’s experience with the coronavirus pandemic.

The country’s refusal to go for a hard lockdown has seen it hailed by right-wing populists around the world. By contrast, the liberal left in much of Europe and America seems almost eager to hear that the experiment has ended in disaster and despair.

Screens between the tables protect customers sitting outside at a restaurant in central Stockholm. The country’s goal was to keep society and the economy running, while preventing the health service from being overwhelmed. AP

Inevitably, the actual situation in Sweden stubbornly refuses to conform to the ideological biases of the outside world. On balance, the pessimists seem to be winning the argument.

But this model for tackling coronavirus has very little to do with libertarianism or right-wing populism. Instead, it looks like a very Swedish sort of failure — linked to a left-leaning country’s excessive faith in its own scientific prowess and bureaucratic elite.

It is not that Stockholm has simply ignored COVID-19. Gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned and new health facilities built. Swedes were advised to practise social distancing and many have chosen to work from home.

But the policy has generally rested on recommendations, rather than law. Schools, shops, restaurants and gyms have stayed open. The country’s goal was to keep society and the economy running, while preventing the health service from being overwhelmed, and moving rapidly towards “herd immunity”.

In some respects, Sweden has benefited from its more relaxed approach. The country’s children have not had to suffer the consequences of school closures. But the export-oriented economy has not been spared a sharp contraction. And the COVID-19 death rate looks shockingly high compared with neighbours that went for a tougher lockdown.

Sweden’s per capita death rate is roughly 10 times the level of neighbouring Norway. There have even been days, in recent weeks, when the death rate per head has been the highest in the world.

It is true that Sweden’s overall mortality rate is still lower than some other countries that have instituted much stricter lockdowns — notably Britain. But there is less evidence that Sweden has succeeded in “flattening the curve” of infection.

Swedes have also been stung to see Nordic neighbours — such as Denmark and Finland — opening their borders to each other, but not to Sweden.

Faced with these signs of failure, domestic criticism of Stockholm’s COVID-19 policy is becoming louder. One longstanding critic is Lena Einhorn, a virologist and prominent intellectual.

Dr Einhorn told a recent seminar, held by Cambridge university’s Centre for Geopolitics, that she regards her country’s policy as “madness” — and very much at odds with its normal approach of “taking very good care of its citizens”. She added: “It has thrown a wrench into my whole concept of a stable, sane Sweden.”

Dr Einhorn fears that the main gainers from a policy failure over COVID-19 will be the Sweden Democrats, a far-right opposition party with roots in the neo-Nazi movement. But the fact that it is the far-right that has led the criticism illustrates how difficult it is to fit Sweden’s story into a global narrative that tries to pit “irresponsible” right-wing populists against “responsible” centrist governments that “follow the science”.

The Swedish prime minister, Stefan Lofven, is a Social Democrat. And one distinctive aspect of the country’s approach is the way the policy has been formed and presented by scientists and technocrats — with Anders Tegnell, the country’s chief epidemiologist, becoming both the public face of Sweden’s approach and something of a national icon.

Paradoxically, it may be Sweden’s very success as a nation that led to its apparent failure over the pandemic. A self-image as a country that is super rational and modern means that Sweden is confident and cohesive enough not to follow the international consensus.

Instead, policymakers have chosen to trust their own judgment. But Swedish self-confidence may have shaded into an arrogance about the country’s supposedly superior rationality, which then led to policy errors.

Nicholas Aylott, a professor of politics at Södertörn University in Stockholm, draws a parallel between Sweden’s pandemic policies and its handling of the refugee crisis in 2015. In both cases, the country stood out from the international crowd because of its distinctive and radical approach. But, in both cases, the Swedish exception did not work out very well.

Swedes have continued eating in restaurants, shopping, going to work, getting haircuts, and sending children under 16 to school.

Swedish model trades more disease for less economic damage
For a long period, Sweden offered automatic asylum to all Syrians — a policy more liberal even than Germany’s. Ironically, Sweden’s ultra-permissive policy attracted scorn from many of the same American right-wingers now praising it over Covid-19.

Sweden’s distinctive refugee policy was initially a source of national pride. But, eventually, the government conceded that it was unsustainable, and changed course.

Something similar may now be happening over coronavirus. As Mr Aylott sees it: “In Sweden, there is often near national consensus for a long time, then suddenly a brick falls out of the wall and everything changes.”

With COVID-19 — as with refugees — there was nothing malicious about the country’s decision to follow its own path. Sweden’s failure — if that is what we are witnessing — should be a source of sadness, rather than schadenfreude.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:17 pm

Borders with Tasmania, Northern Territory and West Australia are open from midnight tonight. As such any one entering SA from those jurisdictions does not need to self isolate for 14 days. There's announcements expected for reciprocal rights later today from the other states.

A decision on the Queensland border is expected later this week. Victoria and NSW will remain closed.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:51 pm

Booney wrote:Borders with Tasmania, Northern Territory and West Australia are open from midnight tonight. As such any one entering SA from those jurisdictions does not need to self isolate for 14 days. There's announcements expected for reciprocal rights later today from the other states.

A decision on the Queensland border is expected later this week. Victoria and NSW will remain closed.


There was announcements, they both said "No".

So people coming in from WA/NT do not need to quarantine when arriving into SA. People from SA going to the NT/WA do.

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