Adelaide Crows 2020

[Lightning McQueen]

Riccutio responding to James Brayshaw is why he brought it up.

Did he think it would help his club?

When has that ever stopped him...
Never known a bloke with a lack of reading a room worse than him.
Apparently he's just been on TripleM in Melbourne so no doubt he's f..ked up again

Not often Rowey speaks and I think "Yeah, he's right", usually I don't even understand him, but this morning he called for the club to reign Riccutio in, he called for the club to say "Pick one" ( Media / Football boss ). Given the amount of bad news coming out of the club and some tough times ahead it's not an unreasonable request.

This shits me with pretty much of all them, yes it's great to have a bit of an insight to the clubs but they all should choose one or the other IMO.

[Brodlach]

Whilst the industry we all watch gives us a guide as to what players are on ( and we can make assumptions given their performance and age etc ) to disclose actual figures (Lever - and then rate him as a "$500k player" ) or at least allude to numbers ( Keath - 2x what Adelaide paid him ) when it's clear you actually know the number in question is poor form. Plain and simple.

Suggesting they couldn't have kept McGovern seems odd. In August 2017 he signed a 3 year deal ( 18,19,20 ) and at the end of 2018 they traded him to Carlton for McAdam, 26, 28 and future 5th rounder ( Adelaide threw in a third rounder ). Why couldn't they keep a bloke who was 1 year into a 3 year deal? Clearly he wanted out ASAP.

Betts and Jenkins ( Riccuito said about Jenkins "Very happy to let him go" ) couldn't get out fast enough and Adelaide are paying them to play elsewhere, clearly Adelaide felt they had to go too.

Cameron, at the time Adelaide said they were happy to let him go as it was in the players best interest, didn't they? Now they're not happy to let him go?

All in all it keeps Adelaide in a negative news cycle for another 48 hours.

Last week Riccuito shed a tear because Andrew McLeod doesn't feel welcome at West Lakes. Port thump them by 13 goals in a game that basically went for 3 quarters. Riccuito brings up shit from 3 years ago to keep Adelaide in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. Cracking week at West Lakes!

McGovern might have had more to do with a “squeaky gate”

No doubt we are doing it all crap ATM

[Brodlach]

Patrick Dangerfield - “Dangerfield was never going to stay. We would've paid whatever we could to keep Patrick Dangerfield. He’s absolutely loyal, loves Moggs Creek... he would’ve never stayed. We never even got to money.”
Charlie Cameron - “He was one that we didn’t want to lose, one of the few that we weren’t happy to let go. He got a very, very good contract from Brisbane, who were down the bottom of the ladder and had plenty of money in their salary cap. We couldn't match that, absolutely not. This was in 2017, when you’re at the top of the ladder and you salary cap is chocker-block you haven’t got much room to move have you? If you pay someone overs or a massive amount of money it means you have to lose someone else. We didn't want to lose him but we lost him.”
Jake Lever - “He got a five-year deal on $800,000 to $850,000. Very comfortable that we let him go on that money, he’s probably a $500,000 player.”
Mitch McGovern - “Comfortable that he went. He’s got what we want and we love people that contest in the forward line and have plenty of speed and we need speed in the forward line, but once again, 800-and-something thousand. Has he delivered for Carlton yet? No. Comfortable that he went.”
Eddie Betts - “We need to get some youth into our side. He’s 33, we were comfortable for him to go. That's not a request to leave, that was a mutual agreement.”
Josh Jenkins - “Very happy for him to go. Once again, age in our forward line, we needed to get some youth in our forward line. Very comfortable, we’re even paying part of his contract, same with Eddie Betts.”
Hugh Greenwood - “That was as much our call, or probably more our call. Everyone says we’ve got the slowest midfield in the competition, you can’t just keep having those players in your midfield and then whinge that you’ve got a slow midfield. He’s 28 this year and not going to be playing in our next premiership side, so we’re trying to get draft picks in to rebuild.”
Alex Keath - “Got offered a massive amount of money to go to the Western Bulldogs, a large amount of money - more than double what he was on at Adelaide. That’s what he wanted and if we kept him we would’ve lost more players.”

[Booney]

So, it seems Keath, Cameron and McGovern were all lost because of money, nothing else.

Question is, who the f*ck is getting all the money down there?

[whufc]

Patrick Dangerfield - “Dangerfield was never going to stay. We would've paid whatever we could to keep Patrick Dangerfield. He’s absolutely loyal, loves Moggs Creek... he would’ve never stayed. We never even got to money.”
Charlie Cameron - “He was one that we didn’t want to lose, one of the few that we weren’t happy to let go. He got a very, very good contract from Brisbane, who were down the bottom of the ladder and had plenty of money in their salary cap. We couldn't match that, absolutely not. This was in 2017, when you’re at the top of the ladder and you salary cap is chocker-block you haven’t got much room to move have you? If you pay someone overs or a massive amount of money it means you have to lose someone else. We didn't want to lose him but we lost him.”
Jake Lever - “He got a five-year deal on $800,000 to $850,000. Very comfortable that we let him go on that money, he’s probably a $500,000 player.”
Mitch McGovern - “Comfortable that he went. He’s got what we want and we love people that contest in the forward line and have plenty of speed and we need speed in the forward line, but once again, 800-and-something thousand. Has he delivered for Carlton yet? No. Comfortable that he went.”
Eddie Betts - “We need to get some youth into our side. He’s 33, we were comfortable for him to go. That's not a request to leave, that was a mutual agreement.”
Josh Jenkins - “Very happy for him to go. Once again, age in our forward line, we needed to get some youth in our forward line. Very comfortable, we’re even paying part of his contract, same with Eddie Betts.”
Hugh Greenwood - “That was as much our call, or probably more our call. Everyone says we’ve got the slowest midfield in the competition, you can’t just keep having those players in your midfield and then whinge that you’ve got a slow midfield. He’s 28 this year and not going to be playing in our next premiership side, so we’re trying to get draft picks in to rebuild.”
Alex Keath - “Got offered a massive amount of money to go to the Western Bulldogs, a large amount of money - more than double what he was on at Adelaide. That’s what he wanted and if we kept him we would’ve lost more players.”

The biggest issue with the Crows is they let their future A Graders go such as 'McGovern, Cameron, Lever' in the hope of winning that elusive premiership with he likes of Betts, Walker and co. They dont win the premiership, the over 27's are coming to the end of their careers and playing like that and now the club look stupid and continue on a 22 year drought.

If they had won that premiership most people would accept the current predicament.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hindsight you keep McGovern and cut your ties with Jenkins whilst he had trade value

Hindsight and you just simply find a way to keep the cash to keep Cameron whether that meant you freed up salary by delisting a couple in the C grade range like McKay, Atkins & Gibbs to insure Cameron stays.

[whufc]

So, it seems Keath, Cameron and McGovern were all lost because of money, nothing else.

Question is, who the f*ck is getting all the money down there?

Agree the Crows biggest current issues are the allocations of player wages.

Jenkins and Betts being paid by other clubs, Walker would have to be extremely highly paid and has offered very little in recent years. The Bryce Gibbs trade hasnt really worked and im sure he would be now on overs for a fringe player.

[Booney]

The biggest issue with the Crows is they let their future A Graders go such as 'McGovern, Cameron, Lever' in the hope of winning that elusive premiership with he likes of Betts, Walker and co. They dont win the premiership, the over 27's are coming to the end of their careers and playing like that and now the club look stupid and continue on a 22 year drought.

If they had won that premiership most people would accept the current predicament.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hindsight you keep McGovern and cut your ties with Jenkins whilst he had trade value

Hindsight and you just simply find a way to keep the cash to keep Cameron whether that meant you freed up salary by delisting a couple in the C grade range like McKay, Atkins & Gibbs to insure Cameron stays.

Bottom line, they let Lever and Cameron go and dropped their pants to get Gibbs thinking in 2018 the squad + Gibbs - Cameron and Lever + the camp bringing the squad together with "mindfulness" would take them back to the MCG to get them the flag they missed out on in 2017.

[Dutchy]

So, it seems Keath, Cameron and McGovern were all lost because of money, nothing else.

Question is, who the f*ck is getting all the money down there?

Tex & Sloane must be $800-$900k each.

Roo was trying to be honest, nothing wrong with that, the execution was very poor though. Basically it inferred that no one is prepared to play for unders at the Crows. Until they improve the culture it will keep happening, that is the root cause of their current problems.

[MW]

Talia, Crouches, Smith, Laird, Milera now...it would be spread around.
would be surprised if they are paying the full cap in 2020

[Brodlach]

So, it seems Keath, Cameron and McGovern were all lost because of money, nothing else.

Question is, who the f*ck is getting all the money down there?

Tex & Sloane must be $800-$900k each.

Roo was trying to be honest, nothing wrong with that, the execution was very poor though. Basically it inferred that no one is prepared to play for unders at the Crows. Until they improve the culture it will keep happening, that is the root cause of their current problems.

Being honest they get slammed
Not saying anything they get slammed

[Trader]

Talia, Crouches, Smith, Laird, Milera now...it would be spread around.
would be surprised if they are paying the full cap in 2020

You'd certainly hope they are paying less in 2020 given the shortened season.

[MW]

Talia, Crouches, Smith, Laird, Milera now...it would be spread around.
would be surprised if they are paying the full cap in 2020

You'd certainly hope they are paying less in 2020 given the shortened season.

you know what i mean

[Booney]

MARK Ricciuto must remove himself from the board of Adelaide.

Ricciuto may be the greatest ever Crows player, but his time as Crows football director has coincided with the club being plunged into the darkest days of its 30-year AFL life.

His implausible decision on Wednesday morning on Adelaide Triple M to make public the salaries of big name ex-Crows players who couldn’t exit his club quickly enough for reasons other than money was the work of a person clearly out of answers for the carnage that has infiltrated his club under his watch since late 2017.

To attempt to justify those actions as being "honest" with the public doesn’t wash, either.

You don't get to pick and choose when you are publicly "honest" as a football club director, and many people at other clubs were left wondering why Ricciuto omitted the actual perfect punchline to his own story telling – the hefty price, both wage and national draft picks, spent by his club on recruiting Bryce Gibbs during the mass exodus of others.

Even in the COVID-19 shutdown period, the Crows generated embarrassing headlines through mismanagement, with the unauthorised Barossa training camp and severe public criticisms levelled by two-time Crows' Norm Smith medallist Andrew McLeod the types of incidents not experienced by stable operations.

But Ricciuto's tirade on Wednesday morning was next level when it came to self-inflicted brand damage. Coming four days after his team had been embarrassed in the 48th Showdown clash against Port Adelaide, Ricciuto provided a unique moment in AFL history – a board member of a club publicly talking about official salaries of players.

The players Ricciuto referenced are both furious and yet strangely relieved that the world got to witness the type of attitude they were subjected to when at the Crows – not just by Ricciuto but others, including former coach Don Pyke and ex-football department manager Brett Burton.

Ricciuto's revelations of the money that some of the exited Crows – Jake Lever, Mitch McGovern, Charlie Cameron, Josh Jenkins, Eddie Betts, Paddy Dangerfield, Hugh Greenwood and Alex Keath were the eight players referenced on Triple M – was bad enough.

But certain phrases, including "very happy for him to go" (Jenkins), "comfortable" (to lose McGovern), "very comfortable" in losing Lever, and "it was our call … he's not in our next premiership side" (Greenwood) were condescending.

Of the exits, Cameron, McGovern, Betts and Jenkins were contracted Crows at the time of their departures.

Greenwood is 28. Wonder how that makes Daniel Talia and Brodie Smith feel. They're both 28, too.

So many exits and just one addition in those years – Gibbs, and even that deal came 12 months after the player wanted to return to his home city. The Crows panicked in the 2017 Telstra AFL Trade Period and used two first-round draft picks for Gibbs, a year after they had baulked at a trade for Gibbs when Ricciuto said giving two first-round picks would be "irresponsible". Gibbs is contracted for 2021, played a lot of SANFL footy last year and was left out of the round two Crows team last week.

Ricciuto almost threw away the line on Wednesday morning that the Crows were paying Betts and Jenkins respectively at the Blues and Cats as though it was a masterstroke in list management.

Also, let's not forget that other significant players in Jack Gunston, Kurt Tippett and Sam Jacobs have also sought to leave Adelaide.

Cameron choosing to leave the Crows just days after the loss to Richmond in the 2017 Grand Final was the beginning of the seemingly uncontrollable turmoil that has beset the Crows all the way through to Ricciuto's words on radio on Wednesday.

The infamous camp on the Gold Coast between the 2017 Grand Final loss and the start of 2018 was the main reason some of those players Ricciuto referenced have chosen to leave.

The manner in which private information of players was so crudely relayed by people working for the Crows to the consultant group which ran that camp, and then inexplicably used against each individual in a misplaced pursuit of breaking that individual down to the point of despair, in the misguided belief it would make him better, will never be forgiven by some.

Some players might still go public with details of specific programs at that camp which would leave most people sickened.

You have to feel for Matthew Nicks this week. Zero and two to start his coaching career at the Crows, he now has to lead his side all the way back to the Gold Coast to be based in an AFL hub.

The players still at the Crows remain friends with those who have left.

That's the biggest problem caused by Ricciuto this week – those still on the Crows list have little faith that the people running their club are truly cognisant of the damage caused since 2017, and what needs to be done in order to properly move on.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/454159/barr ... nd-damage-

[MW]

agree

[Gozu]

Question is, who the f*ck is getting all the money down there?

I don't think it's necessarily that Roo knows what players are or aren't worth and you don't want to be paying superstar money to players who aren't worth it. If Lever & McGovern are genuinely on the money he says they are (which is unlikely) then of course you don't pay them that.

In saying that I would like to see Roo leave but that's probably not going to happen.

[Booney]

Question is, who the f*ck is getting all the money down there?

I don't think it's necessarily that Roo knows what players are or aren't worth and you don't want to be paying superstar money to players who aren't worth it. If Lever & McGovern are genuinely on the money he says they are (which is unlikely) then of course you don't pay them that.

In saying that I would like to see Roo leave but that's probably not going to happen.

Funny you say " you don't want to be paying superstar money to players who aren't worth it", that is precisely what you are doing now and you could well do with a McGovern and Lever right now, even if you were having to pay them $800k.

[Bum Crack]

Question is, who the f*ck is getting all the money down there?

I don't think it's necessarily that Roo knows what players are or aren't worth and you don't want to be paying superstar money to players who aren't worth it. If Lever & McGovern are genuinely on the money he says they are (which is unlikely) then of course you don't pay them that.

In saying that I would like to see Roo leave but that's probably not going to happen.

Funny you say " you don't want to be paying superstar money to players who aren't worth it", that is precisely what you are doing now and you could well do with a McGovern and Lever right now, even if you were having to pay them $800k.

Not sure if McGovern would be any good at the Cows. He'd have the be the number 1 man in the forward line at the moment due to the other spuds they have there and he has struggled having to do that at Carlton. Worked out ok for him in Adelaide when he was getting the third best backman but I think it's shown that he's not as good as people thought once he gets a decent opponent.

[Booney]

Not sure if McGovern would be any good at the Cows. He'd have the be the number 1 man in the forward line at the moment due to the other spuds they have there and he has struggled having to do that at Carlton. Worked out ok for him in Adelaide when he was getting the third best backman but I think it's shown that he's not as good as people thought once he gets a decent opponent.

He was 23 when he left Adelaide and had played 48 games, not many key forwards are the #1 target at that age / experience and I reckon they made a massive blue letting him go. They'd laid the ground work for a 200+ gamer and when he was just entering his prime they let him walk. None of the current Adelaide forward line can climb into a pack and take a mark, he can.

Bit rough judging him on how well he's gone at Carlton. Not many key forwards could make a living dining in on the shit they deliver!

[Booney]

Melbourne coach Simon Goodwin has categorically denied “really unfair” claims made by his good friend and former Adelaide teammate Mark Ricciuto surrounding Jake Lever’s wages at the Dees.

Ricciuto, the Crows’ football director, aired on radio this week that the club was “very comfortable” with letting Lever join Melbourne on a five-year deal worth “$800,000 to $850,000” per season.

“He’s probably a $500,000 player,” Ricciuto said.

“Obviously Mark is a pretty good mate of mine. He’s very passionate about the Adelaide footy club and he is very parochial,” the Demons coach told reporters.

“And clearly, (Ricciuto has) thought it was the right thing to come out and justify his decisions. That’s their choice.

“They can come out and justify why they made certain decisions but that’s something we certainly don’t do as a footy club.

“But the thing that we probably need to make sure is right is that the term of the contract is not right - the number’s not right. They’re the things that we need to put on the record to straighten it up a little bit.”

[Bum Crack]

Not sure if McGovern would be any good at the Cows. He'd have the be the number 1 man in the forward line at the moment due to the other spuds they have there and he has struggled having to do that at Carlton. Worked out ok for him in Adelaide when he was getting the third best backman but I think it's shown that he's not as good as people thought once he gets a decent opponent.

He was 23 when he left Adelaide and had played 48 games, not many key forwards are the #1 target at that age / experience and I reckon they made a massive blue letting him go. They'd laid the ground work for a 200+ gamer and when he was just entering his prime they let him walk. None of the current Adelaide forward line can climb into a pack and take a mark, he can.

Bit rough judging him on how well he's gone at Carlton. Not many key forwards could make a living dining in on the shit they deliver!

do you think he'd be getting a lot better delivery here as the number 1 man? Mmmmmm nup