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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:29 pm

Wedgie wrote:
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whufc wrote:Working in rec centres and whilst Job Keeper is helping with our P&L's its killing us at any operational level.

We have primarily a casual staff force. We had staff who were previously working 10 hours a week roughly $250 a week who are now getting $1,500 a fortnight whether they work or not.

Do you think the casual staff are making themselves overly available at the moment or will to pick up shifts etc when in 'their minds' they are working for free.

Yes legally we can terminate them if they refuse to work shifts but legally it's almost impossible to enforce especially being regional where reasons such as 'im in Adelaide', 'im helping out on the family farm' are legitimate regardless of whether we see otherwise on their social media etc.

Like several similar government policies it was well-intended but poorly thought out and implemented too hastily.

I would liken it to Kevin Rudd's $900 GFC payments. Not a bad idea, put some money out on the streets to stimulate spending - even if most of it went on Plasma TVs. But the implementation of it... My missus had gone on maternity leave in the year prior and her earnings fell just under the tax free threshold. Since she paid no net tax in the previous FY she got $0. Myself, I earned a little over the threshold at which the payment reduced. So we got $600 between us. Conversely, my dear old granny copped the full $900 - this despite the fact that she had passed away some months prior!

Now who is most likely to put the $ back into the economy - a couple with two small kids, or a dead person? Similarly the Job Keeper plan is well intentioned but poorly targeted.


Why?

Geezus, where to start?

1. People who werent earning a cent suddenly got $1500 pf, people making a living working full time suddenly got nothing.
2. Two people doing exactly the same job for exactly the same time could have one get it and the other not dependong on circumstances nothing to do with them.
3. Employers are abusing it, employees are refusing to work.
4. And they couldn't even get within 50 billion dollars when costing it.
I could go on for ever but thats the tip of the ice berg.
Most amateur effort ever by a governement.


1. Not sure how you get it when you weren't earning a cent. Unless you were employed but not paid. People making a living working full time suddenly got nothing? Do you mean self employed? There was criteria. No payment if your revenue hasn't dropped by 30%(?) Big listed companies like mine dont get it.
2. Do you mean they dont get it because they haven't been employed for 12 months?
3. Employers will eventually be caught by one of the most efficient and aggressive tax offices in the world. Employees aren't required to work to get it.
The idea is that they would have been laid off and sitting on the dole anyway (doing the same thing)
4. Actually that was Treasury's fault and they admitted it.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Wedgie » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:51 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:1. Not sure how you get it when you weren't earning a cent. Unless you were employed but not paid. People making a living working full time suddenly got nothing? Do you mean self employed? There was criteria. No payment if your revenue hasn't dropped by 30%(?) Big listed companies like mine dont get it.
2. Do you mean they dont get it because they haven't been employed for 12 months?
3. Employers will eventually be caught by one of the most efficient and aggressive tax offices in the world. Employees aren't required to work to get it.
The idea is that they would have been laid off and sitting on the dole anyway (doing the same thing)
4. Actually that was Treasury's fault and they admitted it.

I dont want to rehash things I've already explained earlier in this topic but I'll answer your questions

1. Easy, you just have to be on a companies books and have been for over 12 months. Yes, people working full time hours suddenly got nothing, no I don't mean self employed.
2. No
3. Irrelevent to my point
4. The treausry is run by the government like any public service department, it even has a minister.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Wedgie » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:52 pm

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Booney wrote:Re - working from home.

There would be plenty of employers who have seen staff working from home and completing their duties without issue, they may have also seen a downturn in business over that period, put two and two together and there will be loads of employers looking to downsize their main work site to accommodate the "in house" staff, reduce over heads and keep people working from home to reduce the chances of cross infection when ( not if ) the next wave comes through.

Employers have had 3 months to work out the impact of working from home and they may now be confident of allowing people to do it longer term.


A mate and my brother have not been at their CBD offices since start of April. Both have not seen any change in their working life doing it from home.
If I owned commerical properties in the CBD i'd be a bit nervous...

My missus still works from home but there was talk they would go back to work in September. Her company has boomed during covid.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby MW » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:02 pm

My bro was due back this week but now home indefinitely because head office is in Melb. One out all out apparently.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Dutchy » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:04 pm

MW wrote:My bro was due back this week but now home indefinitely because head office is in Melb. One out all out apparently.


yep same with us, while Vic is still active I think the message should be for us - if you can work at home, stay at home.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:50 pm

Further restrictions from next wednesday for SA.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Psyber » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:45 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Further restrictions from next wednesday for SA.


Meanwhile for Victoria:
AMA leaders this week called for Stage 4 lock down restrictions in Victoria, warning that hospitals will need to house 700 new COVID-19 patients a week if numbers keep rising.

Federal AMA President, Dr Tony Bartone, told News Corp: “this is bloody serious, we need a circuit breaker”. “This means 100 people per day needing a hospital bed – a new 700 bed hospital every week – and patients stay in hospital two weeks,”

AMA SA President Dr Chris Moy told News.com.au. “The Federal AMA, all of us, have agreed Melbourne and potentially Victoria do need to consider moving to stricter restrictions, to try and curb the spread, they are at stage three now then that would mean stage four,”
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby locky801 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:46 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Further restrictions from next wednesday for SA.


Bit surprised with some of them, does the Govt know something that they are not telling us :o

On the other hand alot better to be safe than sorry ;)
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:49 pm

locky801 wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Further restrictions from next wednesday for SA.


Bit surprised with some of them, does the Govt know something that they are not telling us :o

On the other hand alot better to be safe than sorry ;)
I was told plenty of returning residents are disobeying the self isolation rules and as we have now seen with the returning wharfie things can turn to shit quickly.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:58 pm

I do have a fear about the wharfie case...

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Sheik Yerbouti » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:15 pm

whufc wrote:
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:Employer has to top up anything over the $750 according to my accountant.


Are you talking about the $750 per week ($1500 p/fortnight) if an employee earnt it. That is what happening with my wage at the moment. I'm back to full time work and receive my normal payment as I always would. My workplace is reimbursed $1500 per fortnight for that.

Some employers though can be very creative and it wouldn't be hard to ensure you casual staff don't earn over that threshold per week. There is a business down the road from us who is refusing to use the casual staff he has that are not on jobkeepers, so essentially they have lost their jobs.

Yeah that's it, we get $1,500 f'night & top up any extra.
You can dick with it, I can work my bloke right up to the $750 then knock him off, but I just run things as normal, he's doing his horticulture course one day a week so it suits both of us.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:11 am

Sounds like mid 300’s for Victoria which isn’t great as I thought they might have started to turn the corner with their restrictions
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:19 am

Been watching both Dan and their CMO. And my god they live in a different world.
I certainly am very content with how Marshall and more specifically Spurrier have handled the situation here.
And there is no comparison between Spurrier and her Vic counterpart also. When Spurrier talks, it has a far more conviction in her tone.

Lets hope the Vics can sort there shit out asap....surely the penny has to drop for them soon

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:33 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Been watching both Dan and their CMO. And my god they live in a different world.
I certainly am very content with how Marshall and more specifically Spurrier have handled the situation here.
And there is no comparison between Spurrier and her Vic counterpart also. When Spurrier talks, it has a far more conviction in her tone.

Lets hope the Vics can sort there shit out asap....surely the penny has to drop for them soon

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:51 pm

This is what life looks like in Metro Melbourne....
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:32 pm

Testing rates have been very good here in SA over the last few days ramping up at the moment which is very important at the moment.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby daysofourlives » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:40 pm

stan wrote:Testing rates have been very good here in SA over the last few days ramping up at the moment which is very important at the moment.

Our positive testing swabs cant be far away
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:17 pm

daysofourlives wrote:
stan wrote:Testing rates have been very good here in SA over the last few days ramping up at the moment which is very important at the moment.

Our positive testing swabs cant be far away
SA Health are expecting a couple.ober the next week but he thought they were waiting for the ones with the tracking chip in them.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:18 pm

stan wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
stan wrote:Testing rates have been very good here in SA over the last few days ramping up at the moment which is very important at the moment.

Our positive testing swabs cant be far away
SA Health are expecting a couple.ober the next week but he thought they were waiting for the ones with the tracking chip in them.
I saw a heap of Chemtrails today so it’s only a matter of time. Once they activate that 5G we are all screwed :)
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:22 am

Sounding like a very bad day in Victoria today. Possibly mid to high 400’s
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