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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:10 pm

Corona Man wrote:Word about a multi billion dollar class action being put together against Dan and co.... this could get interesting.
Just fantasy talk IMO
Won’t happen
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:43 am

Victorian Greens MP Samantha Ratnam will return to state parliament from maternity leave to provide the Andrews government with the third crossbench vote it needs to pass its State of Emergency extension bill.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:44 am

Lol, the Greens, about the only relevancy they have...

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Corona Man wrote:Word about a multi billion dollar class action being put together against Dan and co.... this could get interesting.
Just fantasy talk IMO
Won’t happen

COVID-19 class actions hit Victoria
The Victorian government – and Victorian taxpayers – will be hit with billions of dollars worth of compensation claims in class action lawsuits blaming the Andrews government for the financial devastation facing so many businesses.

Jennifer HewettColumnist
Aug 31, 2020 – 12.00am

It didn’t take long for the COVID-19 class action suits to start. Quinn Emmanuel, one of the legal firms prominent in the class action industry, is seeking compensation on behalf of businesses that have suffered losses due to the Victorian government’s mishandling of hotel quarantine.

This is the first class action lawsuit filed over Victoria’s disastrous use of private security guards. It certainly won’t be the last. Given the extent of financial devastation facing Victorian businesses, the amount of potential compensation sought is almost beyond comprehension. Caveat Victorian taxpayer. Other law firms are circling, lured by the prospect of more lucrative class actions.


Having all but seen off the pandemic's second wave, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews now faces the prospect of a string of class actions. Luis Enrique Ascui

At least two more suits have also been filed against the operators of aged care facilities in Victoria, including the now infamous St Basil’s, for example.

Yet whatever the merits of individual class actions, they had already combined into one of Australia’s most successful growth industries in recent years – with this country an international hotspot due to the relative ease of filing and the big dollars involved.

The actions are usually backed by litigation funders, many global, which take a generous percentage share of the spoils – often tens of millions of dollars – in return for money to run the case. More than 30 are operating in Australia.

Now this will inevitably become a major issue for all Victorians as well. Revelations of the government’s bungling of a hotel quarantine program that created Victoria’s second wave are fertile territory for any class action lawyer. The inquiry set up by the government may have delayed political reckoning for the Andrews government but could eventually provide the evidence to help cripple it financially.

Possibilities for class action suits to recover some of the billions of dollars of damage done seem more endless than the lockdown itself.

“This will be Victoria’s version of a Clive Palmer $30 billion claim against the Western Australian government,” says one legal expert.

In Quinn Emmanuel’s case, the lead plaintiff is a Melbourne burger restaurant but the suit is open to other businesses in Victoria on July 1 whose ability to supply customers was adversely affected by the stage three and stage four lockdowns that began in early July.

Line up, line up, one and all.

With Premier Daniel Andrews ruling out any timetable for reopening the state despite mounting federal government pressure, possibilities for class action suits to recover some of the billions of dollars of damage done seem more endless than the lockdown itself.

The other distinction in this case was that it was filed in the Victorian Supreme Court just ahead of the deadline for the introduction of new rules and requirements for litigation funders that took effect on August 22. Labor will try to persuade crossbenchers to help block these regulations in the Senate this week, using the dubious argument they "restrict access to justice”.

The government argues that Labor is really more interested in promoting “vested interests” – including those of the leading Labor-aligned law firms involved in class actions like Maurice Blackburn and Slater & Gordon.

Increased financial appeal
The Victorian government has recently made it possible for legal firms to operate on a contingency fee basis rather than one limited to charging fees as in all other states.

This is likely to make class actions filed in Victoria even more financially appealing. Quinn Emmanuel, a US-based law firm, is running the COVID-19 case on a contingency fee basis, for example, backed by money from Regency Funding, an Australian company ultimately owned by a US entity and with two of its three directors in Texas.

Despite the unpredictability of the Senate, the government is confident it can persuade enough crossbenchers to head off Labor’s assault on litigation funding regulation.

The level of returns that some funders are currently earning are egregious and some of their practices are unacceptable.



After all, the changes only require litigation funders to hold an Australian Financial Services Licence and classify them as managed investment schemes.

This licence includes the obligation to act “efficiently honestly and fairly” and in the best interests of class members while a managed investment scheme requires fuller disclosure of legal costs and commissions being paid.

The combined impact of litigation funding percentages and legal fees means the members of the class action receive, on average, only just over half of any money awarded as compensation according to the Australian Law Reform Commission.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg could not see any reason to further delay closing the loopholes for litigation funders by waiting for the report of the current parliamentary inquiry due later this year.

According to Innes Willox from the Australian Industry Group, the regulations are long overdue.

“Litigation funders should be regulated like any other business which offers financial services,” he wrote in a letter to crossbenchers last week. “The level of returns that some funders are currently earning are egregious and some of their practices are unacceptable.”

According to legal publication Lawyerly, the imposition of these rules was enough to ensure a rush to file 11 class action lawsuits just ahead of the August deadline – mostly shareholder class actions against companies ranging from CBA to Boral to AMP to CIMIC.

Labor’s attempt to thwart the new regulations is backed by a class action lobby group and ad campaign – Keep Corporations Honest – spearheaded by Slater & Gordon.

Andrews faces multibillion-dollar COVID-19 class action claim
But Omni Bridgeway, the huge ASX-listed litigation funder formerly known as IMF Bentham, backs greater regulation of the industry in Australia. Omni Bridgeway operates several funds attracting investors, mostly from offshore, with a minimum $25 million to spend and has funded 78 class actions.

Chief executive Andrew Saker supports the need for both an Australian Financial Services Licence and application of the managed investment scheme regime with modifications.

In his view, this will increase public confidence in litigation funding.

Just what a coming rash of COVID-19 claims against the Victorian government will do to public confidence is far more complicated.

Jennifer Hewett is the National Affairs columnist. She writes a daily column on politics, business and the economy. Connect with Jennifer on Twitter. Email Jennifer at jennifer.hewett@afr.com



BTW: under the SA law, the government have statutory protection for their emergency actions
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:03 pm

Can they declare themselves bankrupt?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:32 pm

CDC in the US revised the deaths from Covid down to about 10k from 155k that was orginally attributed to the virus.

Anybody else starting to wake up yet?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:49 pm

Deaths in Victoria
July 2019-4102
July 2020-3561

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:08 pm

daysofourlives wrote:CDC in the US revised the deaths from Covid down to about 10k from 155k that was orginally attributed to the virus.

Anybody else starting to wake up yet?

No they didn't.... you've been brainwashed.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Apachebulldog » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:08 pm

daysofourlives wrote:CDC in the US revised the deaths from Covid down to about 10k from 155k that was orginally attributed to the virus.

Anybody else starting to wake up yet?




Yes i reckon i saw an article on this last week who knows but you would think the experts in the CDC with all the data at hand would know what they are reporting and talking about.

Some of us have been awake for a while now and have questioned this alarmism.

As stated in medical reports from all around the world which in SOME cases has also reported by SOME of the media etc etc.

Unfortunately the majority of the victims are the elderly the stats do not lie.

But alas all citizens of the world have been seduced and programmed by SOME of the MSM diatribe.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:33 am

Booney wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
Yes why isnt there any positive spin on it? Why is it all doom and gloom.
Reports are becoming more common of aged care facilities getting 30k per covid recorded death and funeral costs covered if families agree to recording covid on death certificate.
Where is all the social media of people on their death beds from covid? You cant tell in this modern world that people are suffering quietly in hospital


Where's the evidence of this, or.....are you the......oracle?


You ever get the evidence supporting this one?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:34 am

daysofourlives wrote:CDC in the US revised the deaths from Covid down to about 10k from 155k that was orginally attributed to the virus.

Anybody else starting to wake up yet?


You've got some evidence to support this I assume?

Chuck the $ per death stuff in the one response if you like.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby DOC » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:51 am

Every weekday morning and some weekends, a country towns average IQ doubles, then like a miracle, it halves in the afternoon.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Apachebulldog » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:55 am

Booney your request to Daisy for info found this on the USA CDC site some pretty heavy reading on Covid deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Brodlach » Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:08 am

DOC wrote:Every weekday morning and some weekends, a country towns average IQ doubles, then like a miracle, it halves in the afternoon.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:52 pm

Apachebulldog wrote:Booney your request to Daisy for info found this on the USA CDC site some pretty heavy reading on Covid deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm

Nowhere on the CDC website does it state that COVID-19 related deaths have been revised down to about 10k, as stated by Daisy. You too have been brianwashed. Open your eyes .... do some real research .... don't just grab a headline from hete and there.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby The Bedge » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:30 pm

SA is corona free again.. can we stand to have a beer now please? :D
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby locky801 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:48 pm

The Bedge wrote:SA is corona free again.. can we stand to have a beer now please? :D



why its only further to fall :D
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Apachebulldog » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:21 pm

Like i said plenty of info on that CDC site here is just a snippet

Counts of deaths from all causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented. As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to the COVID-19 pandemic (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems).
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby daysofourlives » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:47 pm

https://www.facebook.com/messenger_medi ... 0S46srghrp

So if Asymptomatic health workers are free to continue working why the fuvk do people have to wear masks, obey curfews, 1hr exercise and social distance etc etc if they are feeling perfectly healthy??
Ill say it again it is only quarantine if you are sick, if you are healthy its tyranny.
I hope the protest goes ahead on Saturday but i also feel this is the excuse Andrews is looking for to extend the lockdown.
I also think the Victorian police are looking forward to it too much, they love that shit, only have to see that poor pregnant woman get arrested today, absolute assholes and disgraceful behavior from the pigs
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Apachebulldog » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:47 pm

Daisy i just watched it on YOU TUBE

Arresting a pregnant woman,

Comrade Dans policies at work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcHUGZGT9V4&t=9s
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