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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:56 am

Andrews was sacked because Thomas was available, trying to "sell" it any other way is futile, anyone and everyone in the football world can see that's what happened but as JK said, as long as Centrals people are happy with it then there's no need to justify or explain the actions to anyone.

Saying multiple people were interviewed is probably true, but Thomas had the job and there's no way anyone would believe anything else.

Just don't piss in people's pockets and tell them it's raining.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby Dogs64 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:57 am

Dutchy wrote:
gazzamagoo wrote:The club's stand on this issue is simple,
We're a different club at Centrals,
it's a different environment than the other clubs & we need to stick to what's best for us,
don't appoint from outside the club because they wouldn't understand how we operate & our culture,
it didn't work with Cowboy,
it didn't work with Kerley,
it didn't really work with Clarko,
success came from the hard work of people like Alan Stewart, Kris Grant, Bill Cochrane & Roy Laird & all the die-hard volunteers who bleed for the club,,
You couldn't get a better Red, White & Blue pedigree than Paul Thomas,
his old man is a legend of the club, as is Paul too & now we have a female Thommo running around,
Port stuck with this principle for years & look where that got them in the SANFL,
we've copied them before & it worked,
time to get back to basics, back to our roots & start to rebuild the winning culture.
At least we'll now have the 100% support of all the players.


Then why did they appoint an outsider for 3 years? Who is taking accountability for that decision?


I think Mark Williams and Port Adelaide should. Mark recommended him, it's a Port conspiracy. No AFL in the SANFL! ;)
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:59 am

gazzamagoo wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
gazzamagoo wrote:The club's stand on this issue is simple,
We're a different club at Centrals,
it's a different environment than the other clubs & we need to stick to what's best for us,
don't appoint from outside the club because they wouldn't understand how we operate & our culture,
it didn't work with Cowboy,
it didn't work with Kerley,
it didn't really work with Clarko,
success came from the hard work of people like Alan Stewart, Kris Grant, Bill Cochrane & Roy Laird & all the die-hard volunteers who bleed for the club,,
You couldn't get a better Red, White & Blue pedigree than Paul Thomas,
his old man is a legend of the club, as is Paul too & now we have a female Thommo running around,
Port stuck with this principle for years & look where that got them in the SANFL,
we've copied them before & it worked,
time to get back to basics, back to our roots & start to rebuild the winning culture.
At least we'll now have the 100% support of all the players.


Then why did they appoint an outsider for 3 years? Who is taking accountability for that decision?

I think we ran out of time,
rushed or panicked maybe?
Granty will take responsibility.


See I don't agree he has, telling media he was to busy to tell them whether the coach was still there or not. Writing the most pissant statement to ever be released by a sporting club.

Honestly you should be the clubs PR because you have explained the situation and 'handled' it to fans who don't understand it a billion times better than the club has. GM for GM...……….im voting for you in!
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:02 pm

Board meetings at Cibo?
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby northerner » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:02 pm

Dutchy wrote:
gazzamagoo wrote:The club's stand on this issue is simple,
We're a different club at Centrals,
it's a different environment than the other clubs & we need to stick to what's best for us,
don't appoint from outside the club because they wouldn't understand how we operate & our culture,
it didn't work with Cowboy,
it didn't work with Kerley,
it didn't really work with Clarko,
success came from the hard work of people like Alan Stewart, Kris Grant, Bill Cochrane & Roy Laird & all the die-hard volunteers who bleed for the club,,
You couldn't get a better Red, White & Blue pedigree than Paul Thomas,
his old man is a legend of the club, as is Paul too & now we have a female Thommo running around,
Port stuck with this principle for years & look where that got them in the SANFL,
we've copied them before & it worked,
time to get back to basics, back to our roots & start to rebuild the winning culture.
At least we'll now have the 100% support of all the players.


Then why did they appoint an outsider for 3 years? Who is taking accountability for that decision?


This indeed was their biggest error.

As for how it's panned out, they have their man... the guy they who they would have chosen 12 months ago if he was available.
Now they get him, at half the price.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:06 pm

Dogs64 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
gazzamagoo wrote:The club's stand on this issue is simple,
We're a different club at Centrals,
it's a different environment than the other clubs & we need to stick to what's best for us,
don't appoint from outside the club because they wouldn't understand how we operate & our culture,
it didn't work with Cowboy,
it didn't work with Kerley,
it didn't really work with Clarko,
success came from the hard work of people like Alan Stewart, Kris Grant, Bill Cochrane & Roy Laird & all the die-hard volunteers who bleed for the club,,
You couldn't get a better Red, White & Blue pedigree than Paul Thomas,
his old man is a legend of the club, as is Paul too & now we have a female Thommo running around,
Port stuck with this principle for years & look where that got them in the SANFL,
we've copied them before & it worked,
time to get back to basics, back to our roots & start to rebuild the winning culture.
At least we'll now have the 100% support of all the players.


Then why did they appoint an outsider for 3 years? Who is taking accountability for that decision?


I think Mark Williams and Port Adelaide should. Mark recommended him, it's a Port conspiracy. No AFL in the SANFL! ;)


From an outside point of view and balancing all the different reasons I have heard my conclusion is:

The club felt after such a long Laird reign they needed 'change' an 'outsider.' They hire Andrews and discover change is really uncomfortable, change isn't easy, Andrews challenges some of their pre conceived ideas, at that point they discovered they didn't want change and maybe change meant a few people would not be staying on.

The one big argument I don't buy is the 'players hated him'. Apparently half the players hated Laird as well, if they cant deal with a legendary premiership coach, they cant deal with an outsider new coach then I don't believe its the coaches that are the issue at the club. Maybe that's half our problem is we have a bunch of players who think they know it all and know coach is good enough for them despite them achieving **** all in their careers at the club.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby gazzamagoo » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:09 pm

Booney wrote:Board meetings at Cibo?


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby gazzamagoo » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:10 pm

anyhow,

ONWARD AND UPWARDS!!

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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:11 pm

gazzamagoo wrote:
Booney wrote:Board meetings at Cibo?


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
Sfizio!


Centrals board meetings held over deconstructed smashed avo and free range eggs with almond milk responsibly harvested Ethiopian latte.

Times have changed man.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby Wedgie » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:16 pm

gazzamagoo wrote:
Booney wrote:Board meetings at Cibo?


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
Sfizio!

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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:18 pm

Booney wrote:
gazzamagoo wrote:
Booney wrote:Board meetings at Cibo?


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
Sfizio!


Centrals board meetings held over deconstructed smashed avo and free range eggs with almond milk responsibly harvested Ethiopian latte.

Times have changed man.


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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby northerner » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:28 pm

whufc wrote:
gazzamagoo wrote:The club's stand on this issue is simple,
We're a different club at Centrals,
it's a different environment than the other clubs & we need to stick to what's best for us,
don't appoint from outside the club because they wouldn't understand how we operate & our culture,
it didn't work with Cowboy,
it didn't work with Kerley,
it didn't really work with Clarko,
success came from the hard work of people like Alan Stewart, Kris Grant, Bill Cochrane & Roy Laird & all the die-hard volunteers who bleed for the club,,
You couldn't get a better Red, White & Blue pedigree than Paul Thomas,
his old man is a legend of the club, as is Paul too & now we have a female Thommo running around,
Port stuck with this principle for years & look where that got them in the SANFL,
we've copied them before & it worked,
time to get back to basics, back to our roots & start to rebuild the winning culture.
At least we'll now have the 100% support of all the players.


See if Granty/the board came out and said that and admitted he made a mistake in hiring an outsider I think the club would have handled it very well.

The running from media, that blatant disregard he/they held the members and fans in when literally the whole state knew what he/they had planned was very poor in my opinion.

To me the fact that they couldn't even come out and be proud of the moves they have made screams that they are not even confident in the recent decisions they have made.

In the 70-90's you could get away with stuff like that, we wouldn't have even known the coach had been sacked lol, this is 2020 and people live in a fast food society, we hear everything right now, news moves right now, people/fans have more power/knowledge/facts/stats than ever before.

Point is that Gazza can say things that might not be wise for Kris and the Board to say...

In a non destructive parting of ways, what did the opposing parties not want from the divide?
The Club didnt want to be left with a significant payout.
The Coach didn't want his reputation sullied.

Okay... so, hypothetically of course, lets agree to make sure each partys worse fear is not realised. A trade off, which enables both parties to move forward with less damage than what may have been the case.

Sometimes its far more prudent to not divulge info...and conversely not seek it...
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby wild dog » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:29 pm

gazzamagoo wrote:The club's stand on this issue is simple,
We're a different club at Centrals,
it's a different environment than the other clubs & we need to stick to what's best for us,
don't appoint from outside the club because they wouldn't understand how we operate & our culture,
it didn't work with Cowboy,
it didn't work with Kerley,
it didn't really work with Clarko,
success came from the hard work of people like Alan Stewart, Kris Grant, Bill Cochrane & Roy Laird & all the die-hard volunteers who bleed for the club,,
You couldn't get a better Red, White & Blue pedigree than Paul Thomas,
his old man is a legend of the club, as is Paul too & now we have a female Thommo running around,
Port stuck with this principle for years & look where that got them in the SANFL,
we've copied them before & it worked,
time to get back to basics, back to our roots & start to rebuild the winning culture.
At least we'll now have the 100% support of all the players.


hear bloody hear
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:45 pm

Booney wrote:Andrews was sacked because Thomas was available, trying to "sell" it any other way is futile, anyone and everyone in the football world can see that's what happened but as JK said, as long as Centrals people are happy with it then there's no need to justify or explain the actions to anyone.

Saying multiple people were interviewed is probably true, but Thomas had the job and there's no way anyone would believe anything else.

Just don't piss in people's pockets and tell them it's raining.


^^^^^^^^^^^^

Absolutely this a billion times over.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:50 pm

northerner wrote:
whufc wrote:
gazzamagoo wrote:The club's stand on this issue is simple,
We're a different club at Centrals,
it's a different environment than the other clubs & we need to stick to what's best for us,
don't appoint from outside the club because they wouldn't understand how we operate & our culture,
it didn't work with Cowboy,
it didn't work with Kerley,
it didn't really work with Clarko,
success came from the hard work of people like Alan Stewart, Kris Grant, Bill Cochrane & Roy Laird & all the die-hard volunteers who bleed for the club,,
You couldn't get a better Red, White & Blue pedigree than Paul Thomas,
his old man is a legend of the club, as is Paul too & now we have a female Thommo running around,
Port stuck with this principle for years & look where that got them in the SANFL,
we've copied them before & it worked,
time to get back to basics, back to our roots & start to rebuild the winning culture.
At least we'll now have the 100% support of all the players.


See if Granty/the board came out and said that and admitted he made a mistake in hiring an outsider I think the club would have handled it very well.

The running from media, that blatant disregard he/they held the members and fans in when literally the whole state knew what he/they had planned was very poor in my opinion.

To me the fact that they couldn't even come out and be proud of the moves they have made screams that they are not even confident in the recent decisions they have made.

In the 70-90's you could get away with stuff like that, we wouldn't have even known the coach had been sacked lol, this is 2020 and people live in a fast food society, we hear everything right now, news moves right now, people/fans have more power/knowledge/facts/stats than ever before.

Point is that Gazza can say things that might not be wise for Kris and the Board to say...

In a non destructive parting of ways, what did the opposing parties not want from the divide?
The Club didnt want to be left with a significant payout.
The Coach didn't want his reputation sullied.

Okay... so, hypothetically of course, lets agree to make sure each partys worse fear is not realised. A trade off, which enables both parties to move forward with less damage than what may have been the case.

Sometimes its far more prudent to not divulge info...and conversely not seek it...


In the case of the Andrews dismissal the club have made themselves and Andrews look worse than what the truth is. They have left the situation open for innuendo and rumour when by the sounds of it the reality is a better option presented which the club took, cut throat yes but a fair decision if the club think it is the right one.

They have made no one look good in this current situation including the new coach Thommo.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby wild dog » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:09 pm

Personally as a paid up member and financial contributor, I don't want Kris and the board to spend too much time worrying about the message this appointment process sends to CDFC supporters. We currently have an SANFL administration where the message is effectively that the SANFL league is no longer their main priority. The SANFL exists to support what the AFL wants. If you want to attack a message that affects SANFL supporters, attack that.

We are talking about a club ran on a shoestring who do not have teams of PR executives; from my personal observations we struggle to afford a proper marketing team (come back Kym Jarman please.) There is no network of chums from Saint Knobs or Princes Polishers et al who can knock out a spin team after hours in the Adelaide Club. For the 2000 CDFC members or so, probably a couple of hundred visit the club each week. They can just knock on Kris Grants office door and have a discussion. For me without any knowledge of the process and as an outside spectator, the process was carried out with little fuss and remarkable speed. As to whether Paul was the main contender, so what. They carried out due diligence, held appropriate interviews and made a decision. It happens in the public service every week and in the private sector main contenders are targeted. To think that a public statement would read that they sacked Andrews because a better guy was available on our door step, which could then possibly invoke a clause where Andrews could demand compensation, is naïve to the extreme.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:36 pm

wild dog wrote:Personally as a paid up member and financial contributor, I don't want Kris and the board to spend too much time worrying about the message this appointment process sends to CDFC supporters. We currently have an SANFL administration where the message is effectively that the SANFL league is no longer their main priority. The SANFL exists to support what the AFL wants. If you want to attack a message that affects SANFL supporters, attack that.

We are talking about a club ran on a shoestring who do not have teams of PR executives; from my personal observations we struggle to afford a proper marketing team (come back Kym Jarman please.) There is no network of chums from Saint Knobs or Princes Polishers et al who can knock out a spin team after hours in the Adelaide Club. For the 2000 CDFC members or so, probably a couple of hundred visit the club each week. They can just knock on Kris Grants office door and have a discussion. For me without any knowledge of the process and as an outside spectator, the process was carried out with little fuss and remarkable speed. As to whether Paul was the main contender, so what. They carried out due diligence, held appropriate interviews and made a decision. It happens in the public service every week and in the private sector main contenders are targeted. To think that a public statement would read that they sacked Andrews because a better guy was available on our door step, which could then possibly invoke a clause where Andrews could demand compensation, is naïve to the extreme.


At some point the club must have told Andrews the 'real' reason whether that was in person/via phone/via email so if a public statement is telling the truth then the club should have nothing to worry about in the case of compensation unless Andrews has a genuine case for it, which he would have regardless of what the statement said. I also believe come the AGM the club should be open about the financial position the sacking has put the club in, I hope as others have mentioned that we are actually better of financially for this. Especially given they were begging for money to survive only 12 months ago.

The club are yet to even say that he was sacked due to 'on-field results'

You are grossly exaggerating the time it takes to keep members informed.....I run a facility with over 2000 members and over 100,000 visits a year let I can let them know any message I need to within the time it takes to type the message plus about 2 minutes to send it through our bulk e-blast/message service which the clubs obviously has. The statement Granty released should not have taken any more than 5 minutes in total. If the members aren't worth spending 5 minutes on to keep up to date then they don't need to look to far as to why people are dropping away.

As Booney mentioned.....don't piss in peoples pockets and tell them its raining...….oh and then reach into the piss and pull out some money for them.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby gazzamagoo » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:44 pm

whufc wrote:
wild dog wrote:Personally as a paid up member and financial contributor, I don't want Kris and the board to spend too much time worrying about the message this appointment process sends to CDFC supporters. We currently have an SANFL administration where the message is effectively that the SANFL league is no longer their main priority. The SANFL exists to support what the AFL wants. If you want to attack a message that affects SANFL supporters, attack that.

We are talking about a club ran on a shoestring who do not have teams of PR executives; from my personal observations we struggle to afford a proper marketing team (come back Kym Jarman please.) There is no network of chums from Saint Knobs or Princes Polishers et al who can knock out a spin team after hours in the Adelaide Club. For the 2000 CDFC members or so, probably a couple of hundred visit the club each week. They can just knock on Kris Grants office door and have a discussion. For me without any knowledge of the process and as an outside spectator, the process was carried out with little fuss and remarkable speed. As to whether Paul was the main contender, so what. They carried out due diligence, held appropriate interviews and made a decision. It happens in the public service every week and in the private sector main contenders are targeted. To think that a public statement would read that they sacked Andrews because a better guy was available on our door step, which could then possibly invoke a clause where Andrews could demand compensation, is naïve to the extreme.


At some point the club must have told Andrews the 'real' reason whether that was in person/via phone/via email so if a public statement is telling the truth then the club should have nothing to worry about in the case of compensation unless Andrews has a genuine case for it, which he would have regardless of what the statement said. I also believe come the AGM the club should be open about the financial position the sacking has put the club in, I hope as others have mentioned that we are actually better of financially for this. Especially given they were begging for money to survive only 12 months ago.

The club are yet to even say that he was sacked due to 'on-field results'

misconduct is a term I've heard
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:49 pm

Ps I agree with you about the message the SANFL sends being crap but sadly I think this view is killing our club from the ground up.

I know we were all pissed about the AFL reserves, I know our club is pissed about the entry prices but its been as if the club has turned its anger at the SANFL to not committing itself to grow the club.

Is it just coincidence that 3 of the clubs admins who were all but in bed with the AFL move Glenelg, North, Eagles are now the ones who are up the top.

We have heard the club in recent times whinge about SANFL Crowds are dropping because of the AFL teams entry, we have heard the club 'bag' the fans for not attending...……….wait a second what has the club done in the last 5 years to make a day out at the footy more attractive for the average fan. The ground itself has had no development whatsoever to the point they even took the beer van away from the northern hill which is where the biggest contingent of fans congregate outside of the members wing.

We have heard the club whinge about recruiting becoming to hard yet clubs such as Glenelg, Eagles, North go about their merry way finding ways to recruit players.

We have become so pissed at the SANFL and the way the comp has gone that our club seems to be hurting itself to hurt the SANFL.

Just my two cents about the club I love anyway. I'm happy if you don't agree we all have our own opinions.
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Re: JEFF ANDREWS GONE!

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:52 pm

gazzamagoo wrote:
whufc wrote:
wild dog wrote:Personally as a paid up member and financial contributor, I don't want Kris and the board to spend too much time worrying about the message this appointment process sends to CDFC supporters. We currently have an SANFL administration where the message is effectively that the SANFL league is no longer their main priority. The SANFL exists to support what the AFL wants. If you want to attack a message that affects SANFL supporters, attack that.

We are talking about a club ran on a shoestring who do not have teams of PR executives; from my personal observations we struggle to afford a proper marketing team (come back Kym Jarman please.) There is no network of chums from Saint Knobs or Princes Polishers et al who can knock out a spin team after hours in the Adelaide Club. For the 2000 CDFC members or so, probably a couple of hundred visit the club each week. They can just knock on Kris Grants office door and have a discussion. For me without any knowledge of the process and as an outside spectator, the process was carried out with little fuss and remarkable speed. As to whether Paul was the main contender, so what. They carried out due diligence, held appropriate interviews and made a decision. It happens in the public service every week and in the private sector main contenders are targeted. To think that a public statement would read that they sacked Andrews because a better guy was available on our door step, which could then possibly invoke a clause where Andrews could demand compensation, is naïve to the extreme.


At some point the club must have told Andrews the 'real' reason whether that was in person/via phone/via email so if a public statement is telling the truth then the club should have nothing to worry about in the case of compensation unless Andrews has a genuine case for it, which he would have regardless of what the statement said. I also believe come the AGM the club should be open about the financial position the sacking has put the club in, I hope as others have mentioned that we are actually better of financially for this. Especially given they were begging for money to survive only 12 months ago.

The club are yet to even say that he was sacked due to 'on-field results'

misconduct is a term I've heard


Everyone is hearing something different, that's a pretty nasty rumour if its not true which is why I 100% believe the club need to be honest and truthful and try and end any hear say which was inevitable with the way they handled it.
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