by Snags » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:47 pm
by Arry Gablett » Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:13 pm
by Information HWY » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:01 am
Snags wrote:It’s sad to say this but I don’t blame balaklava for wanting to change leagues.
Talking to mates who have and still do play in neighbouring leagues makes me jealous of the professionalism compared to APFL.
We can’t fill the board this year and we are always the least organised when it comes to releasing fixtures etc for the upcoming seasons + now talks of shorter seasons when I personally think it’s already too short.
The way it is currently going with what I’ve explained, as well as the gaps between some clubs (which is getting slightly better), If we don’t lose balak, we will lose a lot of players Across the league and No one will want to come to our league.
Happy to hear everyone’s opinions on all this... is this a sign we maybe all go seperate ways and APFL disappears?
Balak, hummocks - NAFA or NEFL
two wells, mallala - Barossa
Virginia, angle vale - metro
Hamley, long plains - not sure due to numbers of juniors etc..
by Information HWY » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:07 am
by magpieeagle » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:24 pm
Information HWY wrote:Agreed - the Balaklava situation and the success of Bute last season should lead to some serious questions being asked. The APFL Board (noted they're all volunteers) need some SANFL assistance to get back on the right path with general administration.
1) United and Hamley Bridge could merge (Plains Bombers/Plains Tigers/Plains _________)
2) United could potentially merge with Mallala or HWE (playing a few games a year at Long Plains)
3) Hamley Bridge could potentially merge with Freeling or start to play SOME games/train at Roseworthy (University ground) and cast the net a little wider for players, members and sponsorsSnags wrote:It’s sad to say this but I don’t blame balaklava for wanting to change leagues.
Talking to mates who have and still do play in neighbouring leagues makes me jealous of the professionalism compared to APFL.
We can’t fill the board this year and we are always the least organised when it comes to releasing fixtures etc for the upcoming seasons + now talks of shorter seasons when I personally think it’s already too short.
The way it is currently going with what I’ve explained, as well as the gaps between some clubs (which is getting slightly better), If we don’t lose balak, we will lose a lot of players Across the league and No one will want to come to our league.
Happy to hear everyone’s opinions on all this... is this a sign we maybe all go seperate ways and APFL disappears?
Balak, hummocks - NAFA or NEFL
two wells, mallala - Barossa
Virginia, angle vale - metro
Hamley, long plains - not sure due to numbers of juniors etc..
by Information HWY » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:35 am
magpieeagle wrote: Balaklava 1 premiership in 20yrs compared to Mallala/TW/Humm/Virginia, They think their to good here??
by magpieeagle » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:01 pm
Information HWY wrote:magpieeagle wrote: Balaklava 1 premiership in 20yrs compared to Mallala/TW/Humm/Virginia, They think their to good here??
I think Balaklava's main gripe is the changing culture of the League (focusing on regular incidents involving Virginia and Angle Vale). No doubt Angle Vale's juniors bring strength to the APFL, but a history of ongoing incidents and apparent lack of focus on the netball side of the Club goes against the value of traditional country football/netball clubs.
Just an outsiders view, happy to stand corrected!
by whufc » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:27 am
magpieeagle wrote:Information HWY wrote:magpieeagle wrote: Balaklava 1 premiership in 20yrs compared to Mallala/TW/Humm/Virginia, They think their to good here??
I think Balaklava's main gripe is the changing culture of the League (focusing on regular incidents involving Virginia and Angle Vale). No doubt Angle Vale's juniors bring strength to the APFL, but a history of ongoing incidents and apparent lack of focus on the netball side of the Club goes against the value of traditional country football/netball clubs.
Just an outsiders view, happy to stand corrected!
Totally agree on that aspect, No netball or lack of teams has been a ongoing issue long enough for 2 clubs and it needs to be addressed, when teams like LP/Hamley can still get netball sides up there really isn't any excuse for other clubs, and culture! Other ongoing issue for yrs and never been addressed fully by this league,
by Information HWY » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:22 am
by Swamp Donkey » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:52 am
by Greggy Gregginson » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:22 am
Swamp Donkey wrote:Hopefully Balaklava genuinely attempt to resolve some of the key issues that have led to some of its members and players wanting to throw the toys out of the cot and play somewhere else. It is likley that some of the issues that Balaklava have raised align with those of other clubs around the competition - fingers crossed they show some leadership and attempt to work with the board and clubs to resolve them. As it currently stands, from my perspective, they look like a bunch of sooks and are happy to throw away decades of history as one of the premier clubs in the Adelaide Plains because they are not getting their own way. It would be a shame for the long-time servants of their club, and of course the APFL. Time will tell!
by Swamp Donkey » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:48 am
Greggy Gregginson wrote:Swamp Donkey wrote:Hopefully Balaklava genuinely attempt to resolve some of the key issues that have led to some of its members and players wanting to throw the toys out of the cot and play somewhere else. It is likley that some of the issues that Balaklava have raised align with those of other clubs around the competition - fingers crossed they show some leadership and attempt to work with the board and clubs to resolve them. As it currently stands, from my perspective, they look like a bunch of sooks and are happy to throw away decades of history as one of the premier clubs in the Adelaide Plains because they are not getting their own way. It would be a shame for the long-time servants of their club, and of course the APFL. Time will tell!
I would contend that it's the league's problem to deal with club issues, such as those which Balaklava are allegedly wanting to leave for.
Any football club's focus should be on bettering their own club, not the league that they play in; the by-product of this would be that the league would benefit from having a strong club/clubs.
Given the board's seeming ineptness over many years, if I was on a club committee I wouldn't be in a hurry to try and fix the issues that the league is currently faced with at the detriment of making my own club better. I would also suggest that the history of a league is of little relevance to a club in comparison to the history of their own club.
Not all the issues that the league faces are able to be controlled by the clubs/league (i.e. player numbers), but behavioural or cultural issues which pertain to a club should be addressed by the league and the club themselves.
Each to their own though - I think it's clear through my response that I side with the footy club over most of the reasons that were floated as why they wanted to play footy in a different competition.
by Greggy Gregginson » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:59 pm
Swamp Donkey wrote:Greggy Gregginson wrote:Swamp Donkey wrote:Hopefully Balaklava genuinely attempt to resolve some of the key issues that have led to some of its members and players wanting to throw the toys out of the cot and play somewhere else. It is likley that some of the issues that Balaklava have raised align with those of other clubs around the competition - fingers crossed they show some leadership and attempt to work with the board and clubs to resolve them. As it currently stands, from my perspective, they look like a bunch of sooks and are happy to throw away decades of history as one of the premier clubs in the Adelaide Plains because they are not getting their own way. It would be a shame for the long-time servants of their club, and of course the APFL. Time will tell!
I would contend that it's the league's problem to deal with club issues, such as those which Balaklava are allegedly wanting to leave for.
Any football club's focus should be on bettering their own club, not the league that they play in; the by-product of this would be that the league would benefit from having a strong club/clubs.
Given the board's seeming ineptness over many years, if I was on a club committee I wouldn't be in a hurry to try and fix the issues that the league is currently faced with at the detriment of making my own club better. I would also suggest that the history of a league is of little relevance to a club in comparison to the history of their own club.
Not all the issues that the league faces are able to be controlled by the clubs/league (i.e. player numbers), but behavioural or cultural issues which pertain to a club should be addressed by the league and the club themselves.
Each to their own though - I think it's clear through my response that I side with the footy club over most of the reasons that were floated as why they wanted to play footy in a different competition.
And that pretty much sums up Balaklava in a nutshell I'm interested in your view of how fixing issues at league level will be at the detriment of making your club better?
Why would any other league want to take on a club that deals with issues in such a way. What happens if they don't get their own way in the next league?
I agree that not all issues at league level can be controlled by clubs, but many can if they are raised and attempts are made to work through these rather than scampering away because its seemingly all too hard.
by Nighthawk » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:08 pm
Swamp Donkey wrote:Hopefully Balaklava genuinely attempt to resolve some of the key issues that have led to some of its members and players wanting to throw the toys out of the cot and play somewhere else. It is likley that some of the issues that Balaklava have raised align with those of other clubs around the competition - fingers crossed they show some leadership and attempt to work with the board and clubs to resolve them. As it currently stands, from my perspective, they look like a bunch of sooks and are happy to throw away decades of history as one of the premier clubs in the Adelaide Plains because they are not getting their own way. It would be a shame for the long-time servants of their club, and of course the APFL. Time will tell!
by whufc » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:20 am
Nighthawk wrote:Swamp Donkey wrote:Hopefully Balaklava genuinely attempt to resolve some of the key issues that have led to some of its members and players wanting to throw the toys out of the cot and play somewhere else. It is likley that some of the issues that Balaklava have raised align with those of other clubs around the competition - fingers crossed they show some leadership and attempt to work with the board and clubs to resolve them. As it currently stands, from my perspective, they look like a bunch of sooks and are happy to throw away decades of history as one of the premier clubs in the Adelaide Plains because they are not getting their own way. It would be a shame for the long-time servants of their club, and of course the APFL. Time will tell!
Genuinely attempt?
As in genuinely attempt to prevent the disintegration of the fabric of our competition by voting against including a club with no country values, culture, connections or netball? That would drag others down financially by failing to fill netball teams and travel to away matches?
As in move a vote of no confidence in the president at the time with the intention of replacing him with someone who would fairly consider all the clubs, not just the southern ones in his pocket?
The multiple biting charges, the Hamley lad with the broken jaw, the threats of violence and abandoned senior colts game. There’s more and no one’s back yard is squeaky clean but a line needed to be drawn. And now it is.
Truth is, we didn’t sit back on our hands pretending everything was hunky dory. Each time we were just one club from making these changes. Who could forget the farcical Angle Vale vote when a club changed its mind overnight following the meeting?
We led the charge on these fronts. We stood up for what we believed in, voiced our opinion and each time, we lost. But we genuinely tried and to suggest otherwise is just downright narrow minded, ignorant crap.
by Nighthawk » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:27 am
by 23rd man » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:50 am
by daysofourlives » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:11 am
Nighthawk wrote:Swamp Donkey wrote:Hopefully Balaklava genuinely attempt to resolve some of the key issues that have led to some of its members and players wanting to throw the toys out of the cot and play somewhere else. It is likley that some of the issues that Balaklava have raised align with those of other clubs around the competition - fingers crossed they show some leadership and attempt to work with the board and clubs to resolve them. As it currently stands, from my perspective, they look like a bunch of sooks and are happy to throw away decades of history as one of the premier clubs in the Adelaide Plains because they are not getting their own way. It would be a shame for the long-time servants of their club, and of course the APFL. Time will tell!
Genuinely attempt?
As in genuinely attempt to prevent the disintegration of the fabric of our competition by voting against including a club with no country values, culture, connections or netball? That would drag others down financially by failing to fill netball teams and travel to away matches?
As in move a vote of no confidence in the president at the time with the intention of replacing him with someone who would fairly consider all the clubs, not just the southern ones in his pocket?
The multiple biting charges, the Hamley lad with the broken jaw, the threats of violence and abandoned senior colts game. There’s more and no one’s back yard is squeaky clean but a line needed to be drawn. And now it is.
Truth is, we didn’t sit back on our hands pretending everything was hunky dory. Each time we were just one club from making these changes. Who could forget the farcical Angle Vale vote when a club changed its mind overnight following the meeting?
We led the charge on these fronts. We stood up for what we believed in, voiced our opinion and each time, we lost. But we genuinely tried and to suggest otherwise is just downright narrow minded, ignorant crap.
by Swamp Donkey » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:04 am
Nighthawk wrote:Swamp Donkey wrote:Hopefully Balaklava genuinely attempt to resolve some of the key issues that have led to some of its members and players wanting to throw the toys out of the cot and play somewhere else. It is likley that some of the issues that Balaklava have raised align with those of other clubs around the competition - fingers crossed they show some leadership and attempt to work with the board and clubs to resolve them. As it currently stands, from my perspective, they look like a bunch of sooks and are happy to throw away decades of history as one of the premier clubs in the Adelaide Plains because they are not getting their own way. It would be a shame for the long-time servants of their club, and of course the APFL. Time will tell!
Genuinely attempt?
As in genuinely attempt to prevent the disintegration of the fabric of our competition by voting against including a club with no country values, culture, connections or netball? That would drag others down financially by failing to fill netball teams and travel to away matches?
As in move a vote of no confidence in the president at the time with the intention of replacing him with someone who would fairly consider all the clubs, not just the southern ones in his pocket?
The multiple biting charges, the Hamley lad with the broken jaw, the threats of violence and abandoned senior colts game. There’s more and no one’s back yard is squeaky clean but a line needed to be drawn. And now it is.
Truth is, we didn’t sit back on our hands pretending everything was hunky dory. Each time we were just one club from making these changes. Who could forget the farcical Angle Vale vote when a club changed its mind overnight following the meeting?
We led the charge on these fronts. We stood up for what we believed in, voiced our opinion and each time, we lost. But we genuinely tried and to suggest otherwise is just downright narrow minded, ignorant crap.
by Number7 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:26 am
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