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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:17 pm

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MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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I’m free too accompany you on your run.
We may have to stop every 500 metres though
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mots02 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:18 pm

Dutchy wrote:Community sport is on in Vic, but not here FFS


They had their whole seasons cancelled last year... not even Dan is brave enough to go there again.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:18 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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I’m free too accompany you on your run.
We may have to stop every 500 metres though

may?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mots02 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:19 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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I’m free too accompany you on your run.
We may have to stop every 500 metres though


Probably wiser to pull up a chair and cheer from the sidelines
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:25 pm

mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby am Bays » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:30 pm

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While I don't like the 'soft' restrictions like 1.5m spacing and wearing masks in high risk locations, at least they don't destroy the economy, they don't stifle business, they don't isolate people.

While I believe the 4,000 people in directed quarantine (over and above the 200 close contacts) provides us a reasonable level of assurance there isn't delta in the wider community, soft restrictions like masks and spacing is clearly an easy behaviour within minimal downside I believe we should all undertake. Same with QR check ins, etc.

If one works, why not another? Why not? Also, do you drive around without your seatbelt on cause you've got an airbag that works?
These are 'soft' restrictions that don't have a major downside so having them isn't the end of the world, especially when compared to the latest SA lockdown which just cost us $220million. That $220m will need to be paid back by all South Australians. We don't get a bill in the mail that says here's an $800 invoice for you, your wife and your two kids, but it will come out in hidden costs. Next years car rego is $820 instead of $810, the pub does $7 happy hour pints rather than $6, the bakery doesn't sponsor the cricket club so your subs are $325 instead of $300. All these little things, you don't notice them, but someone needs to pay for the $200/head the 7.25 day lockdown cost us.

I've covered my thoughts fairly consistently on the lockdowns. I don't think they should be implemented while all cases are linked and there is directed quarantine of the positive, their close contacts, and contacts of the close contacts. Three tiers is more than enough, we don't need a 4th tier IMO. And that has once again been confirmed with all cases coming from tier 1 and 2, we didn't get any cases from tier 3, let alone 4.

False positives and false negatives are few and far between. They are a reasonable starting point and I'm happy for the testing to continue in suspected cases.
The wider testing of the general population doesn't achieve anything IMO, we haven't had any positives come from the mass testing of the wider population over the entire pandemic.
Directed testing makes sense, and I'm comfortable with the level of false positives and negatives.

As for the vaccine, this is a more interesting one. The vaccine clearly has benefits (reduced symptoms, potentially harder to catch and pass on). Equally, given the short time between covid spreading and the world demanding a solution, big pharma was never in a position to produce a vaccine they could guarantee wouldn't have side affects. So one of a few options are available, 1) they test it for another 2 years by which point the world has imploded through lockdowns or just letting it run wild, or say 2) they release it, self insure and charge $500 per dose not $40. The cost to vaccinate the world becomes prohibitive and the vaccine doesn't get taken up, we don't get wider immunity and the whole exercise falls over.
I can understand why there is a no liability clause. It doesn't mean it is unsafe, if just means they don't know if it is safe. Look at Thalidomide for example, or even asbestos. People were acting with the best of intentions, but it doesn't mean we don't find out later that things weren't as safe as we would have liked. It's not ideal, but if we want a cost effective vaccine in a reasonable timeframe, a no liability clause is a necessary evil. Your choice shouldn't be if the no liability clause is appropriate, your choice should be if you chose to then get vaccinated or not - your body, your choice. (Noting as it becomes mandatory to be vaccinated to attend the footy for example, that's where this becomes blurred, and I'd suggest arguing against the vaccine passport, not the no-liability clause).

Blindly questioning everything means you lose credibility when there are valid things to question (like lockdowns). You become the boy who cried wolf and no one will listed to you even if you then raise valid points later.
Accept the small things (like masks and keeping your distance from others) and get on with life. Challenge the big things that have a large detrimental impact and no benefit.


Yep good post, I got rid of the rubbish at the top... ;)

The dust will settle and there will be lessons learnt I personally think short sharp lockdowns are the way to initially manage these "outbreaks" so contact tracers can get ahead of the spread which improves the "rigidity/security" of Rings one and two.

However I get the alternative argument, with the wider community testing data they've got hopefully that will be used to validate the proposition of limiting the initial response to the three rings and or shorter lockdown periods. In short I think there is some value in the wider community testing this episode as a means to improve the actions and responses next outbreak.

Hopefully it's clear sailing from now on with the lifting of restrictions an I get to go to Adelaide oval in in late Sept/Oct.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:34 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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Very mesmorising, it's like watching a pendulum.


If I keep watching it over and over will one pop out?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:37 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
If I keep watching it over and over will one pop out?

And possibly a boob.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:37 pm

QR Codes are the biggest key here - people check in, if there's a case it's much simpler to notify them to quarantine and get tested.. shut down the spread quickly from there.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Wedgie » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:49 pm

So I assume I have to wear a mask tomorrow working indoors in a public place. Do the customers have to wear one when not sipping their beers too?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mots02 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:52 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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Very mesmorising, it's like watching a pendulum.


If I keep watching it over and over will one pop out?


'if'
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Pseudo » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:54 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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Very mesmorising, it's like watching a pendulum.


If I keep watching it over and over will one pop out?

I watched it for a minute; then I had to go and pop one out...
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:59 pm

Could this become the most quoted post?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:03 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Could this become the most quoted post?


It’ll be the most watched that’s for sure!
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby am Bays » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:08 pm

Beats Blacky's avatar hands down....
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby cokadonkeytoo » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:09 pm

Interestingly, just got word that our training can recommence at Megacourts tomorrow night. No masks required, just QR scan in. Seems strange that they've said no masks needed
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:11 pm

am Bays wrote:Beats Blacky's avatar hands down....


Please dont mention the war #-o
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mots02 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:13 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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Very mesmorising, it's like watching a pendulum.


the perfect executive stress toy

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:18 pm

mots02 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
mots02 wrote:
MW wrote:Am I allowed to run wherever I want too now? 8)


Yes but take a friend with you.... safety in numbers.

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Very mesmorising, it's like watching a pendulum.


the perfect executive stress toy

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Yep I wouldn’t mind squeezing them to relieve some stress………
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Brodlach » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:19 pm

cokadonkeytoo wrote:Interestingly, just got word that our training can recommence at Megacourts tomorrow night. No masks required, just QR scan in. Seems strange that they've said no masks needed

Interesting considering there has been no direction given on indoor sport centers yet.
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