COVID-19

[Lightning McQueen]

Bring back Challenge Finals!

What are challenge finals?

West Adelaide United used their right to challenge in 1937

https://adelaidefootyleague.teamapp.com/custom_pages/5523-saafl-history-1937?_detail=v1

Did you play that day?

[Brodlach]

Was FC the trainer?

[Lightning McQueen]

Was FC the trainer?

Brave man.

[Brodlach]

Was FC the trainer?

Brave man.

I meant Failed Creation

[Lightning McQueen]

Was FC the trainer?

Brave man.

I meant Failed Creation

[LaughingKookaburra]

Probably need to get through the next 3-4 weeks at best first before you start the final outcome of promotion and relegation. So much water to go under the bridge that’s way beyond our control before you establish a “fair and/or reasonable” outcome for all. Who’s to say we’re gonna get 18 rounds out next year? If that’s a possibility then you probably need to start discussions of a shortened season and how that looks fair for everyone….

Really hope we get through the rest of our games without any delays - Looking over the border in comparison we have been blessed to date with our competitions….

Exactly, get to the completion of the minor round first and we have a base plan for the promotion/relegation system, that's what the league has emphasised as the priority since day dot.

I guess the unknown is how long is COVID going to govern society? Will we always need contingency plans for all facets of life, will mask wearing be the norm moving forward?

The only feasible way of shortening the season is to drop the divisions to 8 teams, that will potentially knock 6-7 weeks off of the comp, it's a very negative outlook on it though and a sense of defeat against the pandemic.

Personally can’t see an outcome that’s going to allow a full season where everyone plays each other twice without cutting it back to 8 teams for at least 2022. That could mean just the premier goes up and 3 go down (Based on a current 10 team comp) or who knows? If we get locked down again over the next 5 weeks we aren’t going to be missing just the 1 week let’s be honest. It’s going to be 2 weeks minimum and you’re probably not going to play a Grand Final at all….

[Jimmy_041]

Bring back Challenge Finals!

What are challenge finals?

West Adelaide United used their right to challenge in 1937

https://adelaidefootyleague.teamapp.com/custom_pages/5523-saafl-history-1937?_detail=v1

Did you play that day?

Eff off - I was still at school

I wonder if they were using the old "college p******" back then

[Yank Man]

Probably need to get through the next 3-4 weeks at best first before you start the final outcome of promotion and relegation. So much water to go under the bridge that’s way beyond our control before you establish a “fair and/or reasonable” outcome for all. Who’s to say we’re gonna get 18 rounds out next year? If that’s a possibility then you probably need to start discussions of a shortened season and how that looks fair for everyone….

Really hope we get through the rest of our games without any delays - Looking over the border in comparison we have been blessed to date with our competitions….

Exactly, get to the completion of the minor round first and we have a base plan for the promotion/relegation system, that's what the league has emphasised as the priority since day dot.

I guess the unknown is how long is COVID going to govern society? Will we always need contingency plans for all facets of life, will mask wearing be the norm moving forward?

The only feasible way of shortening the season is to drop the divisions to 8 teams, that will potentially knock 6-7 weeks off of the comp, it's a very negative outlook on it though and a sense of defeat against the pandemic.

Unless we all get vaccinated. Get your shot people.

Personally can’t see an outcome that’s going to allow a full season where everyone plays each other twice without cutting it back to 8 teams for at least 2022. That could mean just the premier goes up and 3 go down (Based on a current 10 team comp) or who knows? If we get locked down again over the next 5 weeks we aren’t going to be missing just the 1 week let’s be honest. It’s going to be 2 weeks minimum and you’re probably not going to play a Grand Final at all….

[Trader]

So the league has sent out a recommendation to move to an 8 team comp next year.
On the surface I agree it's prudent management, and good on them for getting on the front foot.

Option 1 clearly seems the best option. 14 games then finals.

What I don't understand is the consistent push to finish in the 3rd week of September.
To me this seems risky.

Imagine clubs vote option 2, 14+3 then a 4 week (top 5) finals campaign.
You get through the 14 rounds unscathed, add on 3 more games, then all of a sudden you cop a 3 week lockdown in the middle of August and finals become compromised again.

If you are being prudent and planning for likely lockdowns, then surely the way to go is a flat 14 round season. Top 4 only (why should 5th in an 8 team comp play finals), and get your 3 rounds of finals done by the end of August. This gives you 3 spare weeks at the end of the season to push into if you get a lockdown or two during the year.

[The Bedge]

Option 1 would/should get the nod if clubs seek change.

14 rounds + finals - in, out, done.. benefits outweigh the risks/negatives.

[The Bedge]

Looking over what a potential make up of divs would be next year, whilst the division number might be different for clubs, the standard of competition and clubs within each div will still be very similar if not stronger in a lot of cases.

[Trader]

Looking over what a potential make up of divs would be next year, whilst the division number might be different for clubs, the standard of competition and clubs within each div will still be very similar if not stronger in a lot of cases.

Yup, only having 8 teams means teams should be closer together in abilities and therefore fewer blow outs.

As always, there will be teams that under and over perform from the previous year, so it won't be perfect, but it should help.

[locky801]

Interesting to see how they make the divisions only 8 teams, do they relegate more after this season or dont promote the two from lower grades or am i missing something here

[Trader]

Interesting to see how they make the divisions only 8 teams, do they relegate more after this season or dont promote the two from lower grades or am i missing something here

They mentioned that teams would simply be listed 1-70 (based on the finishing positions at the end of this year) then split into Divs every 8 teams, with minor tweaks considered if clubs requested.

Div 1 - 1-10
Div 2 - 11-20
etc.

So in short, Div 2 premier would not be promoted to Div 1 next year.
Bottom 4 from div 2 effectively relegated to Div 3.

With teams 65-70 basically forming Div 9 next year.

7th in Div 6 this year would get ranked 57th. They would be the highest ranked Div 8 team next year (teams 57-64) - double relegated despite avoiding it altogether this year in theory haha.

On the surface there isn't a simple way to do it alternatively.
The draw back is that they have destroyed this years finals series in the interests of being able to do promotion and relegation, only to then recommend two weeks later to not promote and relegate.

I think what they should do is rank the teams as they would be after promotion and relegation, then split into groups of 8, eg:

D1 - 1st - 1
D1 - 2nd - 2
...
D1 - 8th - 8
D2 - 1st - 9
D2 - 2nd - 10
D1 - 9th - 11
D1 - 10th - 12
D2 - 3rd - 13
...

Granted between Div 1 and 2 the promoted and relegated teams all still end up in the new Div 2, however as you move down the splits, there will be grades where it does change who is the higher team and who is the lower, especially around div 5.

[Down the Hill]

If this season gets to a conclusion then I think you will find the 10 team divisions will be drawn up based on the normal system. And then the lines will be drawn to form each group of 8 for each division in 2022. So the top 8 in D1 this year will be the 8 team D1 in 2022. The next 8, which will include the 2 promoted from D2 and 2 relegated from D1, will be four of the eight D2 clubs and so on. As Bedge said, a Division is just a number and clubs will have to get over that stigma if they support the 8 team model. There is a precedent to this and that is when the league went from mostly 12 team divisions to 10 team divisions in the 1970's

[locky801]

Interesting to see how they make the divisions only 8 teams, do they relegate more after this season or dont promote the two from lower grades or am i missing something here

They mentioned that teams would simply be listed 1-70 (based on the finishing positions at the end of this year) then split into Divs every 8 teams, with minor tweaks considered if clubs requested.

Div 1 - 1-10
Div 2 - 11-20
etc.

So in short, Div 2 premier would not be promoted to Div 1 next year.
Bottom 4 from div 2 effectively relegated to Div 3.

With teams 65-70 basically forming Div 9 next year.

7th in Div 6 this year would get ranked 57th. They would be the highest ranked Div 8 team next year (teams 57-64) - double relegated despite avoiding it altogether this year in theory haha.

On the surface there isn't a simple way to do it alternatively.
The draw back is that they have destroyed this years finals series in the interests of being able to do promotion and relegation, only to then recommend two weeks later to not promote and relegate.

I think what they should do is rank the teams as they would be after promotion and relegation, then split into groups of 8, eg:

D1 - 1st - 1
D1 - 2nd - 2
...
D1 - 8th - 8
D2 - 1st - 9
D2 - 2nd - 10
D1 - 9th - 11
D1 - 10th - 12
D2 - 3rd - 13
...

Granted between Div 1 and 2 the promoted and relegated teams all still end up in the new Div 2, however as you move down the splits, there will be grades where it does change who is the higher team and who is the lower, especially around div 5.

Thanks Trader, appreicated

[scottroo]

Based on current ladder positions


Div 1

Pac
Payneham
Goodwood
St. Peter’s
Rostrevor
TTG
Port district
Brighton

Div 2

Adelaide Uni
Unley
Glenunga
Phos
Old Iggies
SHOC
Broadview
Henley

Division 3

Salisbury North
Athelstone
Seaton
Scotch
North haven
Golden grove
Gaza
Flinders park

Division 4

Modbury
Edwardstown
Cbc
Westminster
Plympton
Portland
Pembroke
Morphie parks

Division 5

Walkerville
Smosh
Hope valley
Mitcham
Gepps cross
Pulteney
Woodie south
Kilburn

Division 6

Pooraka
Kenilworth
Clg
Eastern park
Lockleys
Salisbury
Hectorville
Fitzroy

[Password Please]

Just leave it as it is, league has done a great job so far.
Crystal ball stuff and speculation is a waste of time, clubs strive to get in higher divisions and to concede Covid is the winner is wrong.

[Down the Hill]

Clubs also expect to have a start and end to a season. We still haven't got to the modified end of this season yet and no guarantee we will. So it's real head in the sand thinking if you completely ignore the chance of a 22 week season turning to poo in 2022. It's ultimately up to the 67 clubs to vote and the league should be applauded for coming up with two workable options for mitigating the lockdown risk. If one of those options is adopted for 2022 then a return to 10 teams in 2023 will see most if not all in their rightful place.

[scottroo]

I may be the odd one out but a shortened season sounds amazing. I’d be looking at that full time