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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby am Bays » Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:52 pm

MW wrote:33 are fully vaccinated and in ICU? That's a worry.


Source?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby The Bedge » Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:56 pm

am Bays wrote:
MW wrote:33 are fully vaccinated and in ICU? That's a worry.


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Yes please, hot chilli if you have it.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby am Bays » Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:58 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Armchair expert wrote:
Dutchy wrote:With NSW seemingly maintaining in the low 1,000's and not growing - is this due to vaccinations?


Now mid 1000's

will be having 3k days by the end of the month


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Yup

The look of resignation on the bloke I saw an hour ago who's leading the NT response suggest it's going to be about managing not preventing/containing outbreaks, now.

Get prepared for a two tiered society over the next six months those whose been jabbed and those that haven't.

The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Dutchy » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:47 pm

am Bays wrote:
The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.


This was the discussion and fear 18 months ago, why hasn't been there any action in this space?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:55 pm

Dutchy wrote:
am Bays wrote:
The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.


This was the discussion and fear 18 months ago, why hasn't been there any action in this space?


Very good question.
The public have played their part in the last 18 months abiding by rules and restrictions and slowly getting vaccinated, why haven’t the government and hospital system been preparing for the inevitable?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:55 pm

Dutchy wrote:
am Bays wrote:
The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.


This was the discussion and fear 18 months ago, why hasn't been there any action in this space?


What would you like to have seen occur and how long do you think it would take you to accomplish it?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby am Bays » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:18 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
am Bays wrote:
The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.


This was the discussion and fear 18 months ago, why hasn't been there any action in this space?


Very good question.
The public have played their part in the last 18 months abiding by rules and restrictions and slowly getting vaccinated, why haven’t the government and hospital system been preparing for the inevitable?


We've been preparing for it for the last 18 months - covid tasks forces, planning for surge workforces, building capacity to adapt wards into cope with more critically ill people - within the available resources but Doctors, nurses, etc and hospital beds cost money

Do you want a doubling of the medicare levy? Do you want the biggest public spend each year for States further increased to the detriment of what other government services??
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Wedgie » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:18 pm

Booney wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
am Bays wrote:
The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.


This was the discussion and fear 18 months ago, why hasn't been there any action in this space?


What would you like to have seen occur and how long do you think it would take you to accomplish it?

Personally I would have renovated the old RAH when the new one was opened with the eventual plan of having two hospitals. It was made obvious that the new RAH was never going to cater and wouldn't have adequate beds before it was even opened even not taking into account a pandemic.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:23 pm

am Bays wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
am Bays wrote:
The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.


This was the discussion and fear 18 months ago, why hasn't been there any action in this space?


Very good question.
The public have played their part in the last 18 months abiding by rules and restrictions and slowly getting vaccinated, why haven’t the government and hospital system been preparing for the inevitable?


We've been preparing for it for the last 18 months - covid tasks forces, planning for surge workforces, building capacity to adapt wards into cope with more critically ill people - within the available resources but Doctors, nurses, etc and hospital beds cost money

Do you want a doubling of the medicare levy? Do you want the biggest public spend each year for States further increased to the detriment of what other government services??



If more funding is required then quadruple the Medicare levy if that’s what is needed here.
It’s time to stop tip toeing about and move forward.

Yes people will whinge if the levy goes up but I’d be more than happy to pay it to get beds and services available going forward.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby MW » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:24 pm

am Bays wrote:
MW wrote:33 are fully vaccinated and in ICU? That's a worry.


Source?


It was a question based on Booneys post that 127 of the 160 in ICU in NSW were not vaccinated.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Dutchy » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:31 pm

am Bays wrote:
We've been preparing for it for the last 18 months - covid tasks forces, planning for surge workforces, building capacity to adapt wards into cope with more critically ill people - within the available resources but Doctors, nurses, etc and hospital beds cost money

Do you want a doubling of the medicare levy? Do you want the biggest public spend each year for States further increased to the detriment of what other government services??


Absolutely, do whatever is necessary, if it costs us all a bit more in tax so be it, most of all I'd love to see some leadership in this country - the pollies (on all levels) have been exposed severely in this pandemic, maybe this will be a good thing long term as we demand more of them when they make office. There really is no excuse as we have even had the learnings of almost every country to adopt the best practice here.

I firmly believe they thought we could eliminate it and we have been caught hopping again.

A positive of the current NSW (and VIC) crisis is that it has finally forced urgency around vaccinations, I reckon we would have taken until the middle of next year to get to 80% if we still had minimal COVID here.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:43 pm

MW wrote:
am Bays wrote:
MW wrote:33 are fully vaccinated and in ICU? That's a worry.


Source?


It was a question based on Booneys post that 127 of the 160 in ICU in NSW were not vaccinated.


Some may have only had one jab.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:44 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
If more funding is required then quadruple the Medicare levy if that’s what is needed here.
It’s time to stop tip toeing about and move forward.

Yes people will whinge if the levy goes up but I’d be more than happy to pay it to get beds and services available going forward.


So they quadruple the levy next week (and in the process sign their political death warrant and you reckon the incoming will keep to that policy? ), when do you think those beds come on line?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:47 pm

Booney wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
If more funding is required then quadruple the Medicare levy if that’s what is needed here.
It’s time to stop tip toeing about and move forward.

Yes people will whinge if the levy goes up but I’d be more than happy to pay it to get beds and services available going forward.


So they quadruple the levy next week (and in the process sign their political death warrant and you reckon the incoming will keep to that policy? ), when do you think those beds come on line?


So you are saying this really is about politics and nothing else here?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby tipper » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:51 pm

Wedgie wrote:Personally I would have renovated the old RAH when the new one was opened with the eventual plan of having two hospitals. It was made obvious that the new RAH was never going to cater and wouldn't have adequate beds before it was even opened even not taking into account a pandemic.


so much this.

could have had the new RAH for all the critical/surgery/new patients, and those that were recovering, or palliative could have been shipped up the road to the old RAH.

but no, they just bulldozed the old one, that actually had more bed capacity than the one it was replaced with...

they could have also spent the last 18 months reopening the beds at all of the country hospitals they have been closing down over the last how many years? personally, a bed down at the kieth (or wherever) hospital would be better than no hospital bed at all

SA hospitals are already choccas with no community covid transmission. we will soon be smashed with covid too, as NSW and Vic appear to have just given up
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:53 pm

tipper wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Personally I would have renovated the old RAH when the new one was opened with the eventual plan of having two hospitals. It was made obvious that the new RAH was never going to cater and wouldn't have adequate beds before it was even opened even not taking into account a pandemic.


so much this.

could have had the new RAH for all the critical/surgery/new patients, and those that were recovering, or palliative could have been shipped up the road to the old RAH.

but no, they just bulldozed the old one, that actually had more bed capacity than the one it was replaced with...

they could have also spent the last 18 months reopening the beds at all of the country hospitals they have been closing down over the last how many years? personally, a bed down at the kieth (or wherever) hospital would be better than no hospital bed at all

SA hospitals are already choccas with no community covid transmission. we will soon be smashed with covid too, as NSW and Vic appear to have just given up



Stop talking sense mate.
I don’t think any sane person would disagree with you here.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby tipper » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:53 pm

Booney wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
If more funding is required then quadruple the Medicare levy if that’s what is needed here.
It’s time to stop tip toeing about and move forward.

Yes people will whinge if the levy goes up but I’d be more than happy to pay it to get beds and services available going forward.


So they quadruple the levy next week (and in the process sign their political death warrant and you reckon the incoming will keep to that policy? ), when do you think those beds come on line?


why have they waited till now? why didnt they start 18 months ago? and why should their political death warrant even be a consideration when it is about doing the right thing for the people of the state?

if they did it 18 months ago, and we had more hospital capcacity, and it was shown to be the right thing by the time the election rolled around, you dont reckon they would have used that info to win the election?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby tipper » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:54 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
tipper wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Personally I would have renovated the old RAH when the new one was opened with the eventual plan of having two hospitals. It was made obvious that the new RAH was never going to cater and wouldn't have adequate beds before it was even opened even not taking into account a pandemic.


so much this.

could have had the new RAH for all the critical/surgery/new patients, and those that were recovering, or palliative could have been shipped up the road to the old RAH.

but no, they just bulldozed the old one, that actually had more bed capacity than the one it was replaced with...

they could have also spent the last 18 months reopening the beds at all of the country hospitals they have been closing down over the last how many years? personally, a bed down at the kieth (or wherever) hospital would be better than no hospital bed at all

SA hospitals are already choccas with no community covid transmission. we will soon be smashed with covid too, as NSW and Vic appear to have just given up



Stop talking sense mate.
I don’t think any sane person would disagree with you here.


you are assuming there are sane people here...
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:56 pm

tipper wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
tipper wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Personally I would have renovated the old RAH when the new one was opened with the eventual plan of having two hospitals. It was made obvious that the new RAH was never going to cater and wouldn't have adequate beds before it was even opened even not taking into account a pandemic.


so much this.

could have had the new RAH for all the critical/surgery/new patients, and those that were recovering, or palliative could have been shipped up the road to the old RAH.

but no, they just bulldozed the old one, that actually had more bed capacity than the one it was replaced with...

they could have also spent the last 18 months reopening the beds at all of the country hospitals they have been closing down over the last how many years? personally, a bed down at the kieth (or wherever) hospital would be better than no hospital bed at all

SA hospitals are already choccas with no community covid transmission. we will soon be smashed with covid too, as NSW and Vic appear to have just given up



Stop talking sense mate.
I don’t think any sane person would disagree with you here.


you are assuming there are sane people here...

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:59 pm

Booney wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
am Bays wrote:
The tension though is our health services aren't funded/ staffed/ equipped (beds) to go open slather with it with the current national vaccination rates.


This was the discussion and fear 18 months ago, why hasn't been there any action in this space?


What would you like to have seen occur and how long do you think it would take you to accomplish it?


More hospital beds
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