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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby whufc » Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:34 am

The upside for Port is they reached a really high level in the early development phase leaving them with a couple more years of being contenders.

In a perfect world the likes of Rozzee, Butters, Duursma, Burton, Byrne-Jones, Houston, Amon, Marshall, Bergman, Bonner, are all only going to improve in the next couple of years. Geez that's almost half their best side that COULD still get better.

Being a Port support will be tough though over the next couple of years because being a contender will have somewhat of an empty feeling knowing the trust is broken and it will all just come down to that final few weeks of the year no matter what happens through the minor round season. There will be a level of trepidation about anything that happens with this side.

Port will be one of the more interesting watches in 2022 with a coach completely under pressure and a squad that will no doubt be 'hungrier' than ever.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am

The coaching won us 17 games and a final in 2021. The coaching won us 14 of 17 games, a final and got us within a goal of the Grand Final in 2020.

The blame for Saturday night must lay at the feet of the players. As Hinkley said on Friday the preparation couldn't have been better, every thing was in place and it was now over to the players to execute and they didn't. Once the ball bounced on Saturday night the coaching staff couldn't have done any more, it was down to the playing group and in that first 15 minutes they simply didn't show up. Credit to the Dogs though, they certainly did.

That's why that trust is damaged.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby whufc » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:31 am

Booney wrote:The coaching won us 17 games and a final in 2021. The coaching won us 14 of 17 games, a final and got us within a goal of the Grand Final in 2020.

The blame for Saturday night must lay at the feet of the players. As Hinkley said on Friday the preparation couldn't have been better, every thing was in place and it was now over to the players to execute and they didn't. Once the ball bounced on Saturday night the coaching staff couldn't have done any more, it was down to the playing group and in that first 15 minutes they simply didn't show up. Credit to the Dogs though, they certainly did.

That's why that trust is damaged.


Don't necessarily disagree but ultimately its going to be Hinckley under pressure. Would be very naïve to not think both the external media and Port upper hierarchy will have his name on their lips for most of next year.

We all know rightly or wrongly its the coach that wears the brunt when a playing group 'doesn't show up'
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:35 am

In this instance, wrongly, IMO, the players failed to deliver.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Corona Man » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:37 am

Booney wrote:The coaching won us 17 games and a final in 2021. The coaching won us 14 of 17 games, a final and got us within a goal of the Grand Final in 2020.

The blame for Saturday night must lay at the feet of the players. As Hinkley said on Friday the preparation couldn't have been better, every thing was in place and it was now over to the players to execute and they didn't. Once the ball bounced on Saturday night the coaching staff couldn't have done any more, it was down to the playing group and in that first 15 minutes they simply didn't show up. Credit to the Dogs though, they certainly did.

That's why that trust is damaged.

Fair enough. I guess the big question is…. What has to change to get the job done, to lift the cup?

Do you go with the same players and coach, and hope?

Or do you need to trade in/out to get it done?
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Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Jim05 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:41 am

Corona Man wrote:
Booney wrote:The coaching won us 17 games and a final in 2021. The coaching won us 14 of 17 games, a final and got us within a goal of the Grand Final in 2020.

The blame for Saturday night must lay at the feet of the players. As Hinkley said on Friday the preparation couldn't have been better, every thing was in place and it was now over to the players to execute and they didn't. Once the ball bounced on Saturday night the coaching staff couldn't have done any more, it was down to the playing group and in that first 15 minutes they simply didn't show up. Credit to the Dogs though, they certainly did.

That's why that trust is damaged.

Fair enough. I guess the big question is…. What has to change to get the job done, to lift the cup?

Do you go with the same players and coach, and hope?

Or do you need to trade in/out to get it done?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:48 am

As always you have to change things and there will be change in the ranks, playing and coaching.

Looks like Schofield is going to West Coast, Voss must be in the running at Carlton and the likes of Bassett and Montgomery have been there for a while, I'd say at least 2 move on. I think Bassett is the one that needs to go, as forward line coach he's responsible for all forward ball movement and that has failed us time and time again. Defensively ( Saturday night aside ) we're as good as any but we need to improve going forward.

Rockliff is retiring, Hartlett looks unlikely to get another deal, Goldsack will open up a spot, I don't think Motlop will get another deal, Mayes too. Garner, Woodcock and Lienert will probably seek more opportunity so there's 6-8 players who will be on the move.

Given the contract in place and our financial position I doubt Hinkley will get moved on and as noted above the players let him down on Saturday night.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby MW » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:57 am

The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:00 am

MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.


It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.

Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 am

As someone who has a team that has a very good season record but fails to deliver in September when the whips are cracking, the Coach needs to be looked at.
Or you could end up like Geelong...

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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby MW » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 am

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.


It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.

Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.


HInkley is responsible for the players mindset though. They legit looked scared to play in the first quarter.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Corona Man » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 am

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.


It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.

Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.

True that. Hinkley just held his head in his hands. Perhaps, he could have considered some moves?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Jim05 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:11 am

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.


It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.

Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
Drew towelled up Libba 3 weeks ago. Ken starts him on the bench and Libba has 5 touches in the opening 2 minutes and was crucial in a couple of goals. Whilst I agree the players should bear the brunt of the blame, Ken didn’t have his finest night
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:14 am

Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.


It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.

Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
Drew towelled up Libba 3 weeks ago. Ken starts him on the bench and Libba has 5 touches in the opening 2 minutes and was crucial in a couple of goals. Whilst I agree the players should bear the brunt of the blame, Ken didn’t have his finest night


So you sack him for a bad night and ignore the 2 years prior?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:16 am

MW wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.


It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.

Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.


HInkley is responsible for the players mindset though. They legit looked scared to play in the first quarter.


You think professional footballers need someone to get them mentally prepared? I say bullshit to that. You're on $500k per year, get afforded the best physical, medical, nutritional and mental support and advice and you need someone to get you "up" for a game? That's a cop out.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby MW » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 am

The question is, did they get that support you mentioned in the correct manner for the prelim?

I still think the players all thought they were in the GF already.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:22 am

I'll ask this, is Adam Simpson a brilliant modern day master coach or did the Eagles players execute at the right time? Is Pyke a dud because the Crows didn't show up in 2017 on GF day? If so, why is he being hyped up as the reason for Sydney's resurgence and Carlton's next coach if he's a spud?

There's no doubt coaches have an impact on every game and how sides present but that's a team of coaches, forward, back, mid, mindfulness, confidence in your physical shape and then your own headspace as a player. So many factors go into being "game ready".

Leigh Mathews, perhaps the greatest ever player and 4 time premiership coach thinks come Grand Final day coaches are almost worthless, the work has been done, it's now up to the players to do the job.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:23 am

Booney wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.

Can't only be the players.


It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.

Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
Drew towelled up Libba 3 weeks ago. Ken starts him on the bench and Libba has 5 touches in the opening 2 minutes and was crucial in a couple of goals. Whilst I agree the players should bear the brunt of the blame, Ken didn’t have his finest night


So you sack him for a bad night and ignore the 2 years prior?


You acknowledge the past few years, but is it becoming a pattern??

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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:24 am

MW wrote:The question is, did they get that support you mentioned in the correct manner for the prelim?

I still think the players all thought they were in the GF already.


How could you possibly tell? What did they want? What did they need? What did they get? It's impossible to measure that.

If they did I highly doubt it was because it was written on a white board.

This one falls at the players feet for mine, they were inept and they have no excuses.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:25 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:You acknowledge the past few years, but is it becoming a pattern??


Finishing top 4 and making prelims? I f*cking hope so!

You blokes seem to think making a prelim is easy.
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