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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby jo172 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:58 pm

The reason we're still wearing masks is pretty obvious

Next time it hops the border, and there will be a next time, everyone who has been at the supermarket the same time as a case won't have to be isolated for 14 days as happened last time.

Pretty good trade off and of course prevention better than a cure
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby locky801 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:49 am

jo172 wrote:The reason we're still wearing masks is pretty obvious

Next time it hops the border, and there will be a next time, everyone who has been at the supermarket the same time as a case won't have to be isolated for 14 days as happened last time.

Pretty good trade off and of course prevention better than a cure


From a mate in the USA

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The Southeast of USA is pretty much the hot spot in the world right now for COVID. I was just at a convenience store getting breakfast. Out of about 15 people, I was the only one wearing a mask. 170,000 new cases in the States yesterday. 1500 deaths in the States yesterday. What is wrong with people? What is it going to take? I resent these people taking up our valuable resources that can be better used elsewhere.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby whufc » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:24 am

jo172 wrote:The reason we're still wearing masks is pretty obvious

Next time it hops the border, and there will be a next time, everyone who has been at the supermarket the same time as a case won't have to be isolated for 14 days as happened last time.

Pretty good trade off and of course prevention better than a cure


Wait a sec last time we had an outbreak it was the Greek Restaurant and the winery where all the cases were found two places would not be required to be worn for the majority of time.

They weren't finding cases link at the local woolworths.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby am Bays » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:14 am

whufc wrote:
jo172 wrote:The reason we're still wearing masks is pretty obvious

Next time it hops the border, and there will be a next time, everyone who has been at the supermarket the same time as a case won't have to be isolated for 14 days as happened last time.

Pretty good trade off and of course prevention better than a cure


Wait a sec last time we had an outbreak it was the Greek Restaurant and the winery where all the cases were found two places would not be required to be worn for the majority of time.

They weren't finding cases link at the local woolworths.


Doesn't that prove when you don't wear a mask it increases your chances of an inadvertent casual exposure?

Look at all the exposure sites across the country not just SA, plenty of supermarkets and public areas where mask as required https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/victoria-exposure-sites-thursday-sept-16/100465734

This is a national response with local application of the "plan"

this is the application risk management and OH&S control principles to mange the consequences of covid. PPE is the lowest hierarchy of control easiest to implement and better than isolation (lockdowns as a means to manage this.

Hey if you preferer increasing the chances of lockdowns and the impact that has on business by all means don't wear masks.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:18 am

I had my second Pfizer dose on Monday around 11am, was fine until around 2pm on Tuesday when I hit a wall. May have been a combination of my thermodynamics study and the vaccine but I ran right out of batteries and had about 2-3 hours of hit flushes / cold shivers between 4 and 7 on Tuesday.

Hit the hay around 8pm and usually, as bad sleeper, I wake 2 or 3 times a night, went through from just after 8pm to 5:50am when the alarm went off.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:21 am

Booney wrote:I had my second Pfizer dose on Monday around 11am, was fine until around 2pm on Tuesday when I hit a wall. May have been a combination of my thermodynamics study and the vaccine but I ran right out of batteries and had about 2-3 hours of hit flushes / cold shivers between 4 and 7 on Tuesday.

Hit the hay around 8pm and usually, as bad sleeper, I wake 2 or 3 times a night, went through from just after 8pm to 5:50am when the alarm went off.

Worse, you've turned into a kiwi....
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:24 am

Corona Man wrote:
Booney wrote:I had my second Pfizer dose on Monday around 11am, was fine until around 2pm on Tuesday when I hit a wall. May have been a combination of my thermodynamics study and the vaccine but I ran right out of batteries and had about 2-3 hours of hit flushes / cold shivers between 4 and 7 on Tuesday.

Hit the hay around 8pm and usually, as bad sleeper, I wake 2 or 3 times a night, went through from just after 8pm to 5:50am when the alarm went off.

Worse, you've turned into a kiwi....


No, I was just hitting things.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mots02 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:23 am

Booney wrote:I had my second Pfizer dose on Monday around 11am, was fine until around 2pm on Tuesday when I hit a wall. May have been a combination of my thermodynamics study and the vaccine but I ran right out of batteries and had about 2-3 hours of hit flushes / cold shivers between 4 and 7 on Tuesday.

Hit the hay around 8pm and usually, as bad sleeper, I wake 2 or 3 times a night, went through from just after 8pm to 5:50am when the alarm went off.


The reality of the Prelim result finally kicked in? ;)
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Psyber » Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:27 am

Booney wrote:I had my second Pfizer dose on Monday around 11am, was fine until around 2pm on Tuesday when I hit a wall. May have been a combination of my thermodynamics study and the vaccine but I ran right out of batteries and had about 2-3 hours of hit flushes / cold shivers between 4 and 7 on Tuesday.

Hit the hay around 8pm and usually, as bad sleeper, I wake 2 or 3 times a night, went through from just after 8pm to 5:50am when the alarm went off.

You must have a fairly reactive immune system, which may be a good thing in terms of its protectiveness.
I had barely any reaction to my two AZ shots even with a 'flu booster sandwiched in between them.
(Biggest reaction was to the 'flu shot.)

I am however hyper-reactive to Tetanus vaccine, but that is because I was mildly affected by the real thing about 2 months after a booster - just needed antibiotics to help knock it off. The result is I now have 10x the Tetanus antibody level of normal immunity and will never need a Tetanus booster again...

The only hitch is I have no Diphtheria immunity and can't be vaccinated against it because it only comes mixed with Tetanus vaccine which I now can't have. (I just carry antibiotics if I go anywhere exposure to it is feasible.)
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:08 pm

A question for those on here with some medical bonafides.....

Can we make any comparison between the current Covid 19 virus, and the Spanish flu of the 1910's or whenever it was?

Are they genetically, significantly different viruses?

Given we have struggled to contain it (Covid) for over 18 months now, let alone eliminate it in 2020/21, would we have be better off (with hindsight) to let it run its course, as it did I assume with the Spanish Flu, and this entire pandemic would have passed over by now?

I've seen historical photo's from the Spanish Flu, and mask wearing was part of the response..... but all the other stuff (restrictions, inoculations etc) were not part of the solution back then, as best as I can tell.

Have the relevant authorities, while trying to help, and protect communities, elongated the problem with this approach?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Trader » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:29 pm

Corona Man wrote:Have the relevant authorities, while trying to help, and protect communities, elongated the problem with this approach?


Not comparing to the Spanish flu and other viruses, but yes, the containment route we have taken in Australia, only to ultimately need to allow the virus to run through the community 18 months later has elongated the problem.

The argument defending the authorities would be that 18 months has allowed people to become vaccinated, and therefore decreased the impacts once the virus does run through the community.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:35 pm

Trader wrote:
Corona Man wrote:Have the relevant authorities, while trying to help, and protect communities, elongated the problem with this approach?


Not comparing to the Spanish flu and other viruses, but yes, the containment route we have taken in Australia, only to ultimately need to allow the virus to run through the community 18 months later has elongated the problem.

The argument defending the authorities would be that 18 months has allowed people to become vaccinated, and therefore decreased the impacts once the virus does run through the community.

Yep I agree with everything you are saying here.

Are the viruses similar though?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Trader » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:48 pm

Corona Man wrote:Are the viruses similar though?


No idea.

The spanish flu killed 50m people, out of a world population of 2B, so 2.5% of the world's population.
Covid has killed 4.6m people, out of a world population of 7B, so 0.065% of the world's population.

So was the spanish flu 38 times more deadly? (Noting Covid will knock off a few more people before we are done).

Or have the preventative measures we've introduced saved 37 out of every 38 expected deaths.

The truth? No one will ever know.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:54 pm

Trader wrote:
Corona Man wrote:Are the viruses similar though?


No idea.

The spanish flu killed 50m people, out of a world population of 2B, so 2.5% of the world's population.
Covid has killed 4.6m people, out of a world population of 7B, so 0.065% of the world's population.

So was the spanish flu 38 times more deadly? (Noting Covid will knock off a few more people before we are done).

Or have the preventative measures we've introduced saved 37 out of every 38 expected deaths.

The truth? No one will ever know.

Good post. I think you are correct re the preventive measures.

I just want it over.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby JK » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:59 pm

Booney wrote:I had my second Pfizer dose on Monday around 11am, was fine until around 2pm on Tuesday when I hit a wall. May have been a combination of my thermodynamics study and the vaccine but I ran right out of batteries and had about 2-3 hours of hit flushes / cold shivers between 4 and 7 on Tuesday.

Hit the hay around 8pm and usually, as bad sleeper, I wake 2 or 3 times a night, went through from just after 8pm to 5:50am when the alarm went off.


Pretty much spot on with the after effects I experienced mate. Will be interested to hear if your bones/joints start aching a bit around the 2-3 week mark.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:01 pm

Trader wrote:
Corona Man wrote:Are the viruses similar though?


No idea.

The spanish flu killed 50m people, out of a world population of 2B, so 2.5% of the world's population.
Covid has killed 4.6m people, out of a world population of 7B, so 0.065% of the world's population.

So was the spanish flu 38 times more deadly? (Noting Covid will knock off a few more people before we are done).

Or have the preventative measures we've introduced saved 37 out of every 38 expected deaths.

The truth? No one will ever know.


In 1918 the news of the Spanish flu literally spread as quick as the virus did. Someone told you about it, they gave it too you.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mal » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:02 pm

Why was it named the Spanish Flu when it evolved from America ?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Psyber » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:06 pm

mal wrote:Why was it named the Spanish Flu when it evolved from America ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby am Bays » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:38 am

Corona Man wrote:
Trader wrote:
Corona Man wrote:Are the viruses similar though?


No idea.

The spanish flu killed 50m people, out of a world population of 2B, so 2.5% of the world's population.
Covid has killed 4.6m people, out of a world population of 7B, so 0.065% of the world's population.

So was the spanish flu 38 times more deadly? (Noting Covid will knock off a few more people before we are done).

Or have the preventative measures we've introduced saved 37 out of every 38 expected deaths.

The truth? No one will ever know.

Good post. I think you are correct re the preventive measures.

I just want it over.


Google 1917 slum housing, and then read the the following in the style of Monty Pythons "what have the Romans ever done for us":

so yeah sanitation, running water, low density housing, health and safety regulations in work place, reduced working hours (potential for contacts, reduced school class sizes, better diets, improved infection control practices in health care, anti-viral drugs, antibiotics to cure the bacterial infections that result from the initial viral infection.

if this was 100 years ago with COVID we would have people going around each day saying, "Bring out your dead"

If you want further proof that this is more than "just flu"

The fact we've basically lockdown our borders, introduce significant isolation practices across Australia, increased the prevalence of PPE (masks) in public and introduced hand sanitising stations in basically every business and promoted the practice of hand washing, this has basically eliminated the season flu but COVID still gets transmitted demonstrates that this is not just another Flu.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:16 am

Just to clarify - I am not in the camp of this is all a hoax. The stats posted by Trader demonstrate that the measures have worked, in reducing deaths, and hospitalizations.

I made the point very early on here in this thread. The situation that was trying to be avoided was swamping ICU's and Doctors deciding who lives, and who dies.....that's what happened, as best as I can recall in Italy.

Reading what's happening in the USA & the U.K, looks like a 6 month booster shot is coming on top of the double jabs. I am no medico, but if the flu jab we get every year going forward includes a Covid booster, and that's the new normal, then so be it.
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