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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:10 am

Groover wrote:Please explain the lambda variant….

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Good question: https://www.health.gov.au/news/top-3-co ... hilst-sick

The first question today is about some of the chatter that we are hearing around the Lambda variant.

As you know, viruses change, they mutate. Every time a virus replicates, every time a virus copies itself, there is a chance that it might make a mistake in that copy and that's what we call a mutation. Most mutations don't make a change or actually render the virus unviable, which means that they don't pass on. But some mutations give the virus an advantage. If that advantage can be that it transmits itself more, that it makes more copies of itself or that it's harder to combat by our immune system, those advantageous mutations that are advantageous for the virus, not for us, often get selected as part of natural selection and then new variants or strains of the viruses emerge. That's what we have seen with the so-called Delta variant and that is more transmissible that is causing the majority of the outbreaks in Australia at the moment. The variants have a complex naming system but, for simplicity, are now getting named by the Greek alphabet letters. We are currently fighting the Delta variant. The dominant strain from last year that was first identified in the UK was the alpha variant, and now we are talking about the Lambda variant which is a variant that was first identified in Peru in December 2020 and it's growing prevalence in South America at the moment. The scientific community is still investigating the context of the Lambda variant and what it means in terms of transmissibility and severity and there is no conclusive data yet. We will keep reviewing what the evidence is and base our public policies on the information that arises. It's important to note as well that the WHO classifies different strains of the virus as variants of interest or variants of concern. A variant of interest is a variety of the virus that may exhibit some of the mutations that give an implication that it may be more transmissible or more severe or have impact into the disease progression, but until it is understood that that is actually happening within the population they don't get classed as a variant of concern. Delta, the variant that is causing the majority of the transmission in Australia at the moment, is a variant of concern, whereas Lamda at the moment is a variant of interest. We will keep you updated as more information comes available.


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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Apachebulldog » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:26 pm

Wow Pfizer is slowly being exposed re vaccine they made around 15 Billion Dollars last year.

Disgusting ! :(

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby The Bedge » Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:16 pm

Apachebulldog wrote:Wow Pfizer is slowly being exposed re vaccine they made around 15 Billion Dollars last year.

Someone's got to make money.

Speaking of which, joined the herd today - got my 1st jab.. arm bloody hurts like buggery at the moment haha.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Armchair expert » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 pm

The Bedge wrote:
Apachebulldog wrote:Wow Pfizer is slowly being exposed re vaccine they made around 15 Billion Dollars last year.

Someone's got to make money.

Speaking of which, joined the herd today - got my 1st jab.. arm bloody hurts like buggery at the moment haha.


The pain is your DNA being altered or whatever the anti vaxxers are currently peddling
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby DOC » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:29 pm

The Bedge wrote:
Apachebulldog wrote:Wow Pfizer is slowly being exposed re vaccine they made around 15 Billion Dollars last year.

Someone's got to make money.

Speaking of which, joined the herd today - got my 1st jab.. arm bloody hurts like buggery at the moment haha.


Will have to take your word for the comparison...
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby whufc » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:35 am

Apachebulldog wrote:Wow Pfizer is slowly being exposed re vaccine they made around 15 Billion Dollars last year.

Disgusting ! :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVk-kxd3d4


Why is it disgusting.

If you can create a product the world needs why shouldn't you profit from that.

Given how many doses they have sold to the world that sounds like a fairly small profit margin to be honest.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:17 am

Apachebulldog wrote:Wow Pfizer is slowly being exposed re vaccine they made around 15 Billion Dollars last year.

Disgusting ! :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVk-kxd3d4


Slowly being exposed for what exactly?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby jo172 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:23 am

Honestly, $15 billion seems a bit light on for something supplied to approximately half the planet so far.

Hard to think of any other business that would have that level of market break through and only make $15 billion
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:25 am

jo172 wrote:Honestly, $15 billion seems a bit light on for something supplied to approximately half the planet so far.

Hard to think of any other business that would have that level of market break through and only make $15 billion


Agreed, that's barely $4 per person ( if around 4 billion have been vaxed ).
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Brodlach » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:29 am

Pfft facts, this thread is about mistruths and false innuendo
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:31 am

Booney wrote:
Apachebulldog wrote:Wow Pfizer is slowly being exposed re vaccine they made around 15 Billion Dollars last year.

Disgusting ! :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVk-kxd3d4


Slowly being exposed for what exactly?

Providing what may be a solution. It’s criminal.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:51 am

jo172 wrote:Honestly, $15 billion seems a bit light on for something supplied to approximately half the planet so far.

Hard to think of any other business that would have that level of market break through and only make $15 billion

Pfizer developed their vaccine in partnership with German company, BioNtech, so they would be sharing profits. BioNtech are the big winners from a financial perspective. Pfizer and Moderna are selling their vaccine at about $30 a shot and making a profit. At the same time they are providing free vaccines to some 3rd world countries. AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are both providing their vaccines on a non profit basis.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:37 am

jo172 wrote:Honestly, $15 billion seems a bit light on for something supplied to approximately half the planet so far.

Hard to think of any other business that would have that level of market break through and only make $15 billion


You talking about the vaccine or viagra?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Armchair expert » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:43 am

No money in vaccines
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:51 am

Booney wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
am Bays wrote:I wonder if they'll have the check-in app on your phone linked to you vaccine status so where you have to check-in at major events and pubs where security is at, it will flash up "entry denied".

Who knows if they're are linking that up on the huge super dooper big-brother government computer that knows when you're taking a sh!t at 4:07 am in the morning....

Dont think it will be an issue though at the Gulnare or Taree pubs....


They would have to know there will be many (or some maybe) like Daisy who will try and take the P155 and have fake vaccination passports. Surely they will have a system that wont allow that. I don't want to be in any pub, sporting event or concert with people like Daisy who will be super spreaders :shock:


Lol 95% of people in Victorian hospitals are vaccinated (78 double, 17 single) can you tell me what % are unvaccinated then smart boy?
It doesnt stop you getting it and it doesnt stop you spreading it, Id rather not be in venues where everyone is vaccinated, that will be where the super spreader events will be. Might buy a pub just for the unvaxed :D


BULLSHIT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/ ... /100504420

CoronaCheck #85
CoronaCheck this week sets the record straight on vaccination rates among Victorians hospitalised with COVID-19 after a gaffe by the state's Health Minister, Martin Foley.

We also debunk claims that a protester in Melbourne died as a result of rubber bullets deployed by police, and bring you the verdict on a viral vaccination advertising campaign.

Anti-vaxxers revel in slip up from Vic. Health Minister
A slip of the tongue by the Victorian Health Minister has provided fodder for anti-vax activists who have shared footage of Martin Foley wrongly suggesting that 95 per cent of hospitalised COVID-19 patients were partially or fully vaccinated.

"Of the people who were in hospital yesterday, 78 per cent were vaccinated, and 17 were partially vaccinated," Mr Foley said during Tuesday's COVID-19 press briefing.

On Twitter, videos of Mr Foley's statement have been viewed at least half a million times.

"So 5% are un-vaxxed? Wow," wrote one Twitter user. "These numbers are the opposite of what we've [been] told will occur."

A spokeswoman for Mr Foley confirmed to Fact Check, however, that 78 per cent of those in hospital were unvaccinated, while 17 per cent had received just one dose. That means a mere 5 per cent of hospitalised COVID-19 patients in Victoria were double-jabbed.

His incorrect statement, meanwhile, has spread globally, with a US-based conservative website reporting that the "truth [was] being ignored" and that "95 per cent of the COVID patients in Victoria hospitals are vaccinated".


7/10/21

564 people in Victorian hospitals

115 in ICU

74 on ventilators

66% unvaccinated
27% partially vaccinated
7% fully vaccinated

In the week to Tuesday around 10,000 people contracted COVID in Victoria

79% unvaccinated
15% partially vaccinated
6% fully vaccinated
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Trader » Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:16 pm

Booney wrote:7/10/21

564 people in Victorian hospitals

115 in ICU

74 on ventilators

66% unvaccinated
27% partially vaccinated
7% fully vaccinated

In the week to Tuesday around 10,000 people contracted COVID in Victoria

79% unvaccinated
15% partially vaccinated
6% fully vaccinated


21% of people catching covid are partially or fully vaccinated.
Yet 34% of those on ventilators are partially or fully vaccinated.

34/21 = 1.62.

So for those that are fully or partially vaccinated, if you are unlucky enough to catch covid, you are 62% more likely to end up on a ventilator than if you didn't have the vaccine.

(Yes I acknowledge by being vaccinated you were less likely to catch it in the first place, and I also accept there is a delay from catching covid before you end up on said ventilator further distorting the stats, but meh, facts). ;)
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Mr Beefy » Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:30 pm

Trader wrote:
Booney wrote:7/10/21

564 people in Victorian hospitals

115 in ICU

74 on ventilators

66% unvaccinated
27% partially vaccinated
7% fully vaccinated

In the week to Tuesday around 10,000 people contracted COVID in Victoria

79% unvaccinated
15% partially vaccinated
6% fully vaccinated


21% of people catching covid are partially or fully vaccinated.
Yet 34% of those on ventilators are partially or fully vaccinated.

34/21 = 1.62.

So for those that are fully or partially vaccinated, if you are unlucky enough to catch covid, you are 62% more likely to end up on a ventilator than if you didn't have the vaccine.

(Yes I acknowledge by being vaccinated you were less likely to catch it in the first place, and I also accept there is a delay from catching covid before you end up on said ventilator further distorting the stats, but meh, facts). ;)

You cant make that assumption based on those figures. They may be all unvaccinated.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby tipper » Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:33 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:
Trader wrote:
Booney wrote:7/10/21

564 people in Victorian hospitals

115 in ICU

74 on ventilators

66% unvaccinated
27% partially vaccinated
7% fully vaccinated

In the week to Tuesday around 10,000 people contracted COVID in Victoria

79% unvaccinated
15% partially vaccinated
6% fully vaccinated


21% of people catching covid are partially or fully vaccinated.
Yet 34% of those on ventilators are partially or fully vaccinated.

34/21 = 1.62.

So for those that are fully or partially vaccinated, if you are unlucky enough to catch covid, you are 62% more likely to end up on a ventilator than if you didn't have the vaccine.

(Yes I acknowledge by being vaccinated you were less likely to catch it in the first place, and I also accept there is a delay from catching covid before you end up on said ventilator further distorting the stats, but meh, facts). ;)

You cant make that assumption based on those figures. They may be all unvaccinated.
Also, at this point, a significant proportion of those fully vaccinated are in vulnerable groups as they were offered access to the vaccine first.

Those still unvaccinated are more likely to be younger and without co mornidities, and yet they are still ending up in hospital/icu...

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:52 pm

According to Miss Nicola from Playschool in a puff piece on TV on Monday night; that 2 weeks after your 2nd dose you are "fully protected".

Mmmmmm fully protected from what? You can still get it and you can still get it bad enough to end up in ICU (as seen in Booney's post)

Any wonder some people don't trust what the Guberment are saying.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Trader » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:06 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:
Trader wrote:
Booney wrote:7/10/21

564 people in Victorian hospitals

115 in ICU

74 on ventilators

66% unvaccinated
27% partially vaccinated
7% fully vaccinated

In the week to Tuesday around 10,000 people contracted COVID in Victoria

79% unvaccinated
15% partially vaccinated
6% fully vaccinated


21% of people catching covid are partially or fully vaccinated.
Yet 34% of those on ventilators are partially or fully vaccinated.

34/21 = 1.62.

So for those that are fully or partially vaccinated, if you are unlucky enough to catch covid, you are 62% more likely to end up on a ventilator than if you didn't have the vaccine.

(Yes I acknowledge by being vaccinated you were less likely to catch it in the first place, and I also accept there is a delay from catching covid before you end up on said ventilator further distorting the stats, but meh, facts). ;)

You cant make that assumption based on those figures. They may be all unvaccinated.


I can't assume 27 + 7 = 34?
Or I can't assume the 27 and 7 relates to those on ventilators, despite being posted directly below the ventilators stat?
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