Grade Cricket

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Nielsen ended up keeping the first session for the Eagles on Saturday. Pressure from SACA and a handshake deal made for Peter's down the drain. Disappointing from the Eages as this was always on the cards.

On a positive note, great spectacle down at Henley oval Friday night for the women's First grade T20 against Uni. Shame lighting rules have changed which means Karen Rolten and Henley GM aren't up to cricket Australia's standard for men's 1st a and 2nd grade. Believe the light/lux required changed after the builds?

Not sure about Karen Rolton being not up to standard. Have heard the lights have the capacity to go to international cricket level so would assume that's plenty for a men's a grade game. Kensi v Uni one-day final was also under lights there last year.

[Arch44]

Why wouldn't Nielsen keep? What am I missing?

If he wanted to keep he should’ve stayed at woodville.

Ridiculous

[Tony Clifton]

Not picking on you Eags14 but the above and other post like this highlight all that is wrong with SA cricket, grade clubs shouldn't be dictating in anyway shape or form to the direction of the state team.

As an outside SA cricket fan looking in this is another case of the tail wagging the dog

if the state selectors want Nielsen to keep, that's the end of argument. Peters fields in the slips, short leg or fine leg to fine leg if he plays ones. If he still wants to keep, off to the 2nds for you son.

Elite sport isnt fair, if Peters misses outs on the gloves because the state team want Nielsen to keep, stiff sh!t. That's the nature of being a a 'keeper, it's arguably the most competitive spot in a cricket team you- only need one. He can make a cricket career decision. He is by no means the most first 'keeper in Australia that this has happened to.

This is spot on

Imagine the second best keeper in the State not wicket keeping at club level. It's non-sensical.

Yet the club feels justified in its stance.

Do clubs exist in isolation in their mind or are they part of a pathway?

[The Bedge]

Imagine the second best keeper in the State not wicket keeping at club level. It's non-sensical.

Who says he's the second best keeper in the state?

[whufc]

Not picking on you Eags14 but the above and other post like this highlight all that is wrong with SA cricket, grade clubs shouldn't be dictating in anyway shape or form to the direction of the state team.

As an outside SA cricket fan looking in this is another case of the tail wagging the dog

if the state selectors want Nielsen to keep, that's the end of argument. Peters fields in the slips, short leg or fine leg to fine leg if he plays ones. If he still wants to keep, off to the 2nds for you son.

Elite sport isnt fair, if Peters misses outs on the gloves because the state team want Nielsen to keep, stiff sh!t. That's the nature of being a a 'keeper, it's arguably the most competitive spot in a cricket team you- only need one. He can make a cricket career decision. He is by no means the most first 'keeper in Australia that this has happened to.

This is spot on

Imagine the second best keeper in the State not wicket keeping at club level. It's non-sensical.

Yet the club feels justified in its stance.

Do clubs exist in isolation in their mind or are they part of a pathway?

Do we know the back story to all this though.

Carey keeps for the shield team so Nielson not keeping isn't the end of the world at the moment.

With the shield game this week maybe they felt it was in his best interests to keep fresh and not do 600 squats in a day. Maybe his carrying a niggling finger injury and it was easier to protect.

Maybe they felt the other keeper was in really great form and with Nielson not currently keeping for the state that there was no need to change at this point.

If Nielson isn't unhappy why would anyone be bothered. He is the one risking his spot if Carey goes down and they pick someone else who is keeping on the regular.

[am Bays]

Do we know the back story to all this though.

Carey keeps for the shield team so Nielson not keeping isn't the end of the world at the moment.

With the shield game this week maybe they felt it was in his best interests to keep fresh and not do 600 squats in a day. Maybe his carrying a niggling finger injury and it was easier to protect.

Maybe they felt the other keeper was in really great form and with Nielson not currently keeping for the state that there was no need to change at this point.

If Nielson isn't unhappy why would anyone be bothered. He is the one risking his spot if Carey goes down and they pick someone else who is keeping on the regular.

Mate I assuming the bits in bold are what you are surmising the Grade club is thinking

With the greatest respect it's not decision of the grade clubs, if the state selectors think Nielsen is the 2nd best keeper (nods to Bedge's post) that's the end of the matter. The toss can be argued if he is teh 2nd best and time will tell but at teh moment the subjective assessment is he is #2 in the SA 'keeping hierarchy.

if the State selectors want Nielsen to keep for the betterment of the Shield team, then that is what should occur. If they want to keep Davis's form sharp with the gloves, he plays 2nds.

I think the wider SA cricket community is getting sick of grade clubs seemingly dictating to the State team when that should be the priority.

[whufc]

Do we know the back story to all this though.

Carey keeps for the shield team so Nielson not keeping isn't the end of the world at the moment.

With the shield game this week maybe they felt it was in his best interests to keep fresh and not do 600 squats in a day. Maybe his carrying a niggling finger injury and it was easier to protect.

Maybe they felt the other keeper was in really great form and with Nielson not currently keeping for the state that there was no need to change at this point.

If Nielson isn't unhappy why would anyone be bothered. He is the one risking his spot if Carey goes down and they pick someone else who is keeping on the regular.

Mate I assuming the bits in bold are what you are surmising the Grade club is thinking

With the greatest respect it's not decision of the grade clubs, if the state selectors think Nielsen is the 2nd best keeper (nods to Bedge's post) that's the end of the matter. The toss can be argued if he is teh 2nd best and time will tell but at teh moment the subjective assessment is he is #2 in the SA 'keeping hierarchy.

if the State selectors want Nielsen to keep for the betterment of the Shield team, then that is what should occur. If they want to keep Davis's form sharp with the gloves, he plays 2nds.

I think the wider SA cricket community is getting sick of grade clubs seemingly dictating to the State team when that should be the priority.

In the same sense your surmising the SACA and his grade team didn't discuss it and potentially it was a directive of SACA given he is playing as a specialist batsmen at the moment.

[am Bays]

Who will be keeping for West Torrens this week Nielsen or Peters? Have heard the state hierarchy have requested Nielsen.

Nielsen ended up keeping the first session for the Eagles on Saturday. Pressure from SACA and a handshake deal made for Peter's down the drain. Disappointing from the Eages as this was always on the cards.

@WHUFC

My arguments are based on these statements (acknowledging that not everything on the interweb is true)

[Arch44]

Do we know the back story to all this though.

Carey keeps for the shield team so Nielson not keeping isn't the end of the world at the moment.

With the shield game this week maybe they felt it was in his best interests to keep fresh and not do 600 squats in a day. Maybe his carrying a niggling finger injury and it was easier to protect.

Maybe they felt the other keeper was in really great form and with Nielson not currently keeping for the state that there was no need to change at this point.

If Nielson isn't unhappy why would anyone be bothered. He is the one risking his spot if Carey goes down and they pick someone else who is keeping on the regular.

Mate I assuming the bits in bold are what you are surmising the Grade club is thinking

With the greatest respect it's not decision of the grade clubs, if the state selectors think Nielsen is the 2nd best keeper (nods to Bedge's post) that's the end of the matter. The toss can be argued if he is teh 2nd best and time will tell but at teh moment the subjective assessment is he is #2 in the SA 'keeping hierarchy.

if the State selectors want Nielsen to keep for the betterment of the Shield team, then that is what should occur. If they want to keep Davis's form sharp with the gloves, he plays 2nds.

I think the wider SA cricket community is getting sick of grade clubs seemingly dictating to the State team when that should be the priority.

In the same sense your surmising the SACA and his grade team didn't discuss it and potentially it was a directive of SACA given he is playing as a specialist batsmen at the moment.

What I am hearing is it was a short discussion when it was requested and basically a that's not happening from West Torrens.

[whufc]

If that's the case then its Nielson who needs to have the long hard think. I'm sure plenty of other clubs would take him as a keeper if available.

Plus if I'm SACA I'm then not recommending any new potential recruits to them.

Either way not the biggest deal in the world and the grade club is the only one going to get burnt if its true.

[whufc]

Well modern day cricket provides that spanner doesn't it.

He might not be the second best 'keeper' but his batting makes him the second best person to perform the role of keeping for the side.

[C Horse]

Not picking on you Eags14 but the above and other post like this highlight all that is wrong with SA cricket, grade clubs shouldn't be dictating in anyway shape or form to the direction of the state team.

As an outside SA cricket fan looking in this is another case of the tail wagging the dog

if the state selectors want Nielsen to keep, that's the end of argument. Peters fields in the slips, short leg or fine leg to fine leg if he plays ones. If he still wants to keep, off to the 2nds for you son.

Elite sport isnt fair, if Peters misses outs on the gloves because the state team want Nielsen to keep, stiff sh!t. That's the nature of being a a 'keeper, it's arguably the most competitive spot in a cricket team you- only need one. He can make a cricket career decision. He is by no means the most first 'keeper in Australia that this has happened to.

This is spot on - when Carey plays for Glenelg - he keeps and Damon Kerr (a more than decent 1st Grade keeper/bat) who returned to the club last year plays in the 2s. End of story.

[The Bedge]

This is spot on - when Carey plays for Glenelg - he keeps and Damon Kerr (a more than decent 1st Grade keeper/bat) who returned to the club last year plays in the 2s. End of story.

Easier pill to swallow give Carey has played all his grade cricket at Glenelg - and is the Australia short form keeper.. bit harder to accept when a guy chooses to move to another club.

Anyway, mute point, as am bays wrote if the powers that be from above want him to keep, then he keeps.. would be like dropping a midfielder from your A grade and the B grade refusing to start him in the guts.

[jo172]

This is spot on - when Carey plays for Glenelg - he keeps and Damon Kerr (a more than decent 1st Grade keeper/bat) who returned to the club last year plays in the 2s. End of story.

Easier pill to swallow give Carey has played all his grade cricket at Glenelg - and is the Australia short form keeper.. bit harder to accept when a guy chooses to move to another club.

Anyway, mute point, as am bays wrote if the powers that be from above want him to keep, then he keeps.. would be like dropping a midfielder from your A grade and the B grade refusing to start him in the guts.

Didn't Carey start at Southern Districts prior to playing footy?

[Tony Clifton]

This is spot on - when Carey plays for Glenelg - he keeps and Damon Kerr (a more than decent 1st Grade keeper/bat) who returned to the club last year plays in the 2s. End of story.

Easier pill to swallow give Carey has played all his grade cricket at Glenelg - and is the Australia short form keeper.. bit harder to accept when a guy chooses to move to another club.

Anyway, mute point, as am bays wrote if the powers that be from above want him to keep, then he keeps.. would be like dropping a midfielder from your A grade and the B grade refusing to start him in the guts.

Didn't Carey start at Southern Districts prior to playing footy?

Yes and no

Very early on he was at Southern Districts but he moved to Glenelg when playing Under 14s as his dad got a coaching gig there

[amber_fluid]

This is spot on - when Carey plays for Glenelg - he keeps and Damon Kerr (a more than decent 1st Grade keeper/bat) who returned to the club last year plays in the 2s. End of story.

Easier pill to swallow give Carey has played all his grade cricket at Glenelg - and is the Australia short form keeper.. bit harder to accept when a guy chooses to move to another club.

Anyway, mute point, as am bays wrote if the powers that be from above want him to keep, then he keeps.. would be like dropping a midfielder from your A grade and the B grade refusing to start him in the guts.

It’s more like when the crows and power players were spread across the other sanfl teams.
Coaches played these players out of position all the time.

Maybe the Redbacks need a reserves team?

Nothing else seems to be working so why not?

[Tony Clifton]

This is spot on - when Carey plays for Glenelg - he keeps and Damon Kerr (a more than decent 1st Grade keeper/bat) who returned to the club last year plays in the 2s. End of story.

Yep. Seems like a bit of can't see the forest for the trees thing for West Torrens

Up close they see a good keeper and good clubman Warren Peters, done nothing wrong. Why can't he stay keeper?

Need to take a step back and see the broader picture

It's rough for performing players who get bumped when stars drop in but that's the system

[Tony Clifton]

It’s more like when the crows and power players were spread across the other sanfl teams.
Coaches played these players out of position all the time.

Maybe the Redbacks need a reserves team?

Nothing else seems to be working so why not?

#noredbacksinthesanfl !!!

errr I mean in sacagradecricket

[Aerie]

The professional chose his club knowing full well the conditions.

It worked out alright for Wade and Paine in the end.

Maybe our cricketers need to make more professional choices?

[the smokey]

The professional chose his club knowing full well the conditions.

It worked out alright for Wade and Paine in the end.

Maybe our cricketers need to make more professional choices?

Hahahahahah such a strange comment!! and all this shows is that once again a grade club places their own interests above the SACA's. Don't get me wrong there are many issues at the SACA as well, but the competition is never going to improve and therefore never develop the next lot of state cricketers while this continues to occur