by stan » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:43 am
by amber_fluid » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:47 am
stan wrote:How do we all think schools are going to go when they go back. Positive cases seem to be trending down at the moment and could mean we have past the peak.
Teachers want the school term to start 2 weeks late rather than the staggered approach.
by stan » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:08 am
Yeah I tend to agree with you about the staggered start. I'll have one at school and one at home as well and considering we have all just had Covid I'm keen for them to go to school.amber_fluid wrote:stan wrote:How do we all think schools are going to go when they go back. Positive cases seem to be trending down at the moment and could mean we have past the peak.
Teachers want the school term to start 2 weeks late rather than the staggered approach.
I’d rather 2 weeks later than a staggered start.
1 at home and 1 at school is just a pain in the arse for me.
Both or none.
Wait 2 more weeks and send them all back
by Psyber » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:40 am
Jimmy_041 wrote:Psyber wrote:This file helps with perspective.CV deaths in UK.png
Certainly helps the perspective they want. It's called "fudging the data"
Instead of "Rate of death per 100,000 after testing positive for Covid-19 in the UK"
how about the data for: "Rate of death per 100,000 [b]because of Covid-19 in the UK"[/b]
To put it into a better perspective, how about they also show the data for: "Rate of death per 100,000 from shotgun wounds / car accidents and also testing positive for Covid-19' in the UK"
One case (just like one pig) and the graph is not worth a pinch of $hit
We are now being told that ~50% of hospital admissions are people being admitted to hospital whilst having Covid; not because of it.
Give me the complete raw data and I'll prove anything you want.
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:17 am
Psyber wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:Psyber wrote:This file helps with perspective.CV deaths in UK.png
Certainly helps the perspective they want. It's called "fudging the data"
Instead of "Rate of death per 100,000 after testing positive for Covid-19 in the UK"
how about the data for: "Rate of death per 100,000 [b]because of Covid-19 in the UK"[/b]
To put it into a better perspective, how about they also show the data for: "Rate of death per 100,000 from shotgun wounds / car accidents and also testing positive for Covid-19' in the UK"
One case (just like one pig) and the graph is not worth a pinch of $hit
We are now being told that ~50% of hospital admissions are people being admitted to hospital whilst having Covid; not because of it.
Give me the complete raw data and I'll prove anything you want.
Sure other health problems are always a factor in succumbing to Covid, or any other infective agent, and this is more likely to be a contributor in the elderly. However the chart lets you compare deaths for each age group among vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Death with Covid is always "with" - death with any disease is never the disease alone but a combination of the disease and the victim's vulnerabilities. Death is a result of combined effects and it is nit-picking to try to separate death with and death from. But the infection is the factor we have some hope of controlling and thus protecting the vulnerable.
by DOC » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:39 am
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:48 am
DOC wrote:Being both a pedant and a nitpicker.
This pandemic has not uncovered two scourges of political incompetence and media fear. They already existed. Agreed
>166,000 UK people die of cancer every year should read >166,000 UK people die with cancer every year My point exactly. That's why I said it
by Mr Beefy » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:01 pm
Trader wrote:Psyber wrote:This file helps with perspective.CV deaths in UK.png
Hang on, the covid file was for 60 days, not a full year, so we need to divide our figure by 6 to know how many people aged 80+ are dying in a 60 day period - 1500.
by Trader » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:49 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:Trader wrote:Hang on, the covid file was for 60 days, not a full year, so we need to divide our figure by 6 to know how many people aged 80+ are dying in a 60 day period - 1500.
It is for a 3 week period to November 21, 2021 not 60 days
by Trader » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:21 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:Trader wrote:The raw data being pushed by health officials, politicians and vaccine companies need to be taken with a grain of salt.
The raw data, fudged analysis or both?
I wouldn't trust anything being used at the moment
The inconsistencies are so blatant the information is a joke
Looking at the 60 day stats.
18-29 - 0.1/0.3 - 3
30-40 - 0.3/1.1 - 3.6
40-50 - 1/3.6 - 3.6
50-60 - 2.2/13 - 5.9
60-70 - 7.8/32.8 - 4.2
70-80 - 21.1/69.3 - 3.3
80+ - 66.6/161 - 2.4
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:30 pm
by locky801 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:37 pm
by Vamos » Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:54 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:DOC wrote:Being both a pedant and a nitpicker.
This pandemic has not uncovered two scourges of political incompetence and media fear. They already existed. Agreed
>166,000 UK people die of cancer every year should read >166,000 UK people die with cancer every year My point exactly. That's why I said it
I will only believe that politics is truly a civil service when the politicians are not paid other than for proven out of pocket expenses.
I know of no other industry where people can earn $200k - $300k, with no qualifications or experience, and worse still: no liability
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:57 pm
Vamos wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:DOC wrote:Being both a pedant and a nitpicker.
This pandemic has not uncovered two scourges of political incompetence and media fear. They already existed. Agreed
>166,000 UK people die of cancer every year should read >166,000 UK people die with cancer every year My point exactly. That's why I said it
I will only believe that politics is truly a civil service when the politicians are not paid other than for proven out of pocket expenses.
I know of no other industry where people can earn $200k - $300k, with no qualifications or experience, and worse still: no liability
Should pay them more then, $200-300k isn't attracting enough of the best people out of their respective industries to turn to politics.
by DOC » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:09 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:40 pm
DOC wrote:Pretty sure all parliamentary pay rises for the last 20 or so years have been set by an "independent" tribunal.
by DOC » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:55 pm
DOC wrote:Thanks for confirming my point.
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