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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Dutchy » Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:16 am

From the bits Ive seen in Pakistan the pitches aren't dust bowls like their neighbours, much more pace and bounce, can't see us playing 2 spinners.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Aerie » Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:11 pm

I think Langer probably deserved an offer of a longer contract or CA should've had the guts to not offer him an extension.

Don't have an issue with them moving Langer on if that's what they think is best. The Captain is still where the buck stops in cricket. Langer did very well, but get the feeling his time was up.

Looking forward to the Pakistan series. Having Green as a genuine all-rounder is such a luxury and gives them the opportunity to play 2 spinners and still having three front line pace bowlers. I suspect though, that they'll stick with the same structure for the 1st Test and it will be a choice of Hazlewood or Boland for one bowling spot and Khawaja or Harris for the opening spot.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:24 pm

Aerie wrote:I think Langer probably deserved an offer of a longer contract or CA should've had the guts to not offer him an extension.

Don't have an issue with them moving Langer on if that's what they think is best. The Captain is still where the buck stops in cricket. Langer did very well, but get the feeling his time was up.

Looking forward to the Pakistan series. Having Green as a genuine all-rounder is such a luxury and gives them the opportunity to play 2 spinners and still having three front line pace bowlers. I suspect though, that they'll stick with the same structure for the 1st Test and it will be a choice of Hazlewood or Boland for one bowling spot and Khawaja or Harris for the opening spot.


Agree with your first sentence as most people would I suspect.

Put a line through Harris as surely he’s done.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:26 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
Aerie wrote:I think Langer probably deserved an offer of a longer contract or CA should've had the guts to not offer him an extension.

Don't have an issue with them moving Langer on if that's what they think is best. The Captain is still where the buck stops in cricket. Langer did very well, but get the feeling his time was up.

Looking forward to the Pakistan series. Having Green as a genuine all-rounder is such a luxury and gives them the opportunity to play 2 spinners and still having three front line pace bowlers. I suspect though, that they'll stick with the same structure for the 1st Test and it will be a choice of Hazlewood or Boland for one bowling spot and Khawaja or Harris for the opening spot.


Agree with your first sentence as most people would I suspect.

Put a line through Harris as surely he’s done.


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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:15 pm

Usman Khawaja on Justin Langer :

"He brought humility back to the Australian team...I know what we played like before he was coach and I know what we played like when he was coach"
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby heater31 » Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm

Booney wrote:Usman Khawaja on Justin Langer :

"He brought humility back to the Australian team...I know what we played like before he was coach and I know what we played like when he was coach"
Going by that statement JL pulled a few ego's down a number of pegs and they have squealed to their manager who has piled on the pressure to CA.

Wasn't there a toasted sandwich incident that JL went ballistic over??
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:39 pm

heater31 wrote:
Booney wrote:Usman Khawaja on Justin Langer :

"He brought humility back to the Australian team...I know what we played like before he was coach and I know what we played like when he was coach"
Going by that statement JL pulled a few ego's down a number of pegs and they have squealed to their manager who has piled on the pressure to CA.

Wasn't there a toasted sandwich incident that JL went ballistic over??


Where Labuschagne wanted one brought out into the middle?
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby heater31 » Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:47 pm

Booney wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Booney wrote:Usman Khawaja on Justin Langer :

"He brought humility back to the Australian team...I know what we played like before he was coach and I know what we played like when he was coach"
Going by that statement JL pulled a few ego's down a number of pegs and they have squealed to their manager who has piled on the pressure to CA.

Wasn't there a toasted sandwich incident that JL went ballistic over??


Where Labuschagne wanted one brought out into the middle?
Or put it in his pocket to go field....that's not even acceptable in a 5 division English Village league let alone a ******* Test Match!
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Bombers4EVA » Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:56 pm

We are turning into a bunch of spoilt sooky la la's that cry to their mumma when they don't get what they want. The treatment of JL from CA and the playing group is absolutely disgusting. Since when did players dictate performances on field to have leverage over the coach? Since when do players whinge to CA in a way to remove the coach? This would never of happened during Ponting, Steve Waugh, Mark Taylor and Allan Border's reign at the helm.

We have so many blokes who would love to represent Australia in any format sitting and waiting for their opportunity and they wouldn't be sooking if the coach tells them something they didn't like. Some of the current player's need to bring their ego's back down to earth and realise how lucky they are to represent their country and wear the Baggy Green. These blokes are disrespecting what it means to wear the Baggy Green and they should be the ones the resign and allow someone else who wants to play for Australia no matter the coach and how the coach goes about his business.

I for one really hope England approach JL to coach them and at the next Ashes they wipe the floor with the Aussies to teach them some humility and respect. Coz this has really turned me away from cricket.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:05 am

Bombers4EVA wrote:We are turning into a bunch of spoilt sooky la la's that cry to their mumma when they don't get what they want. The treatment of JL from CA and the playing group is absolutely disgusting. Since when did players dictate performances on field to have leverage over the coach? Since when do players whinge to CA in a way to remove the coach? This would never of happened during Ponting, Steve Waugh, Mark Taylor and Allan Border's reign at the helm.

We have so many blokes who would love to represent Australia in any format sitting and waiting for their opportunity and they wouldn't be sooking if the coach tells them something they didn't like. Some of the current player's need to bring their ego's back down to earth and realise how lucky they are to represent their country and wear the Baggy Green. These blokes are disrespecting what it means to wear the Baggy Green and they should be the ones the resign and allow someone else who wants to play for Australia no matter the coach and how the coach goes about his business.

I for one really hope England approach JL to coach them and at the next Ashes they wipe the floor with the Aussies to teach them some humility and respect. Coz this has really turned me away from cricket.

There's a big difference between being a tough coach and an outright c***.

You listed off captains, there is no comparison in cricket IMO.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:37 am

Caught the arse end of the news whilst driving this morning but did anyone hear them say Cummins will speak today about JL saga?
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby whufc » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:39 am

As per usual could not agree less with Ian Chappells view that a team doesn't need a coach.

Whilst I agree the captain is 'more important' and has a larger say pat Cummins does not have the skill set to 'teach/coach/strategies' what the batsmen should be doing both in preparation and game day. Put simply if Smith is out of form Cummins is not going to be the man to fix his problems.

Yes they have 101 other specialist coaches but there is needs to be a head figure bringing them all on the same page. Pretty much a go between as once again amongst everything else I doubt Pat Cummins has the time or should be allocating his effort towards meeting with batting coaches, physios, bowling coaches, fielding coaches etc on a daily basis. The coach should be the middle man between them and the players and hopefully bringing them onto the same journey.

The same theory goes for the fact the game is now highly analyise and strategized. Cummins wont or shouldn't have the time to be going through edits on edits on edits, cutting footage, understanding each pitch. The time and energy is much better spent with a head coach who works on that aspect of the game and then presents the fact/stats to the captain who is part of the decision making.

I wont get into the argument about Langer as a coach but its crazy talk to say the team doesn't need a coach.

Yes the captain should have arguably a larger say on selection, strategy planning etc (one could make a case though having 'one of the boys in the mix' is dangerous when it comes to selection and having people with a more neutral out look has benefits) but its not the 1970's anymore there is no way a captain could or should be spending the energy on all those off field elements that exist in modern cricket. There has to be a coach of some sort.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:40 am

David Brent wrote:
whufc wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:Australia have named their test squad for the tour of Pakistan-

Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Josh Inglis, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh, Michael Neser, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner.

Richardson not selected as he is being managed due to his injury issues.
Agar comes into the test squad.

The first test starts the 4th of March.

Agar is the only one I cant agree with. Surely his not the third best spinner in the country at shield level. Admittedly I haven't looked up his stats this year.

Other than that its pretty much what most would have picked. Would have loved to see Street or Hunt go over for the experience but I guess the purse strings are tight at CA at the moment with everything covid has thrown at them.

Left Armer & fact he can hold a bat bit gets Agar across the line I think. He's going over as third choice will only play if they need extra batting depth but with Green there now doubt that happens.

I thought Pukovski might have been straight back in for Harris but guess they want him to find his feet at shield level for rest of the year.

You won't find Agar's Sheffield Shield stats for 2021/22 Wuffer because he hasn't played a shield match for WA this season due to being a part of the Aussies T20 WC squad.

There's probably no one else in state cricket that could play that spinning all rounder role but the Australian selectors love Agar and the love affair continues. If everything goes right for the Aussies I doubt he will play.

Pucovski has only just returned to grade cricket for Melbourne CC in the new year, he made 70 opening the batting in their one day match on Saturday just gone and before that made scores of 40, 8 and 32 in a T20. He's set to play for Victoria for the first time in 398 days in today's SS match against SA.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Booney » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:43 am

whufc wrote:As per usual could not agree less with Ian Chappells view that a team doesn't need a coach.


Chappelli's views have been irrelevant for 20 years.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby whufc » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:54 am

The Dark Knight wrote:
David Brent wrote:
whufc wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:Australia have named their test squad for the tour of Pakistan-

Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Josh Inglis, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh, Michael Neser, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner.

Richardson not selected as he is being managed due to his injury issues.
Agar comes into the test squad.

The first test starts the 4th of March.

Agar is the only one I cant agree with. Surely his not the third best spinner in the country at shield level. Admittedly I haven't looked up his stats this year.

Other than that its pretty much what most would have picked. Would have loved to see Street or Hunt go over for the experience but I guess the purse strings are tight at CA at the moment with everything covid has thrown at them.

Left Armer & fact he can hold a bat bit gets Agar across the line I think. He's going over as third choice will only play if they need extra batting depth but with Green there now doubt that happens.

I thought Pukovski might have been straight back in for Harris but guess they want him to find his feet at shield level for rest of the year.

You won't find Agar's Sheffield Shield stats for 2021/22 Wuffer because he hasn't played a shield match for WA this season due to being a part of the Aussies T20 WC squad.

There's probably no one else in state cricket that could play that spinning all rounder role but the Australian selectors love Agar and the love affair continues. If everything goes right for the Aussies I doubt he will play.

Pucovski has only just returned to grade cricket for Melbourne CC in the new year, he made 70 opening the batting in their one day match on Saturday just gone and before that made scores of 40, 8 and 32 in a T20. He's set to play for Victoria for the first time in 398 days in today's SS match against SA.


The love affair with Agar is absolute craziness.

Yeah yeah I know he hit that 99 on debut but he average 27 with the bat at first class level which is bang on what Starc averages. At best his a handy lower order batsmen.

I know this sounds even crazier but compare these two players careers, both have not played FC cricket this year. I'm not saying pick him but his stats add up to a better selection surely. There is no way on the planet you can convince me Agar should be on that tour.

Agar 154 wickets @ 41.28 with a strike rate of 80.7 and economy of 3.06
Maxwell 77 wickets @ 41.22 with a strike rate of 73.7 an economy of 3.35

Agar 2166 runs @ 27.76 with 3 hundreds and 11 fifties
Maxwell 4061 runs @ 39.91 with 7 hundred and 23 fifties
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby whufc » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:55 am

Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:As per usual could not agree less with Ian Chappells view that a team doesn't need a coach.


Chappelli's views have been irrelevant for 20 years.


They should be but he gets far to much air time still to this day.

He absolutely appeases the 60 year old bar flys who are already lining up to get into your local pub right now and are carrying their advertiser tab guide.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:59 am

whufc wrote:
Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:As per usual could not agree less with Ian Chappells view that a team doesn't need a coach.


Chappelli's views have been irrelevant for 20 years.


They should be but he gets far to much air time still to this day.

He absolutely appeases the 60 year old bar flys who are already lining up to get into your local pub right now and are carrying their advertiser tab guide.


Booney’s not 60 yet mate
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:59 am

whufc wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
David Brent wrote:
whufc wrote:[quote="The Dark Knight"]Australia have named their test squad for the tour of Pakistan-

Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Josh Inglis, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh, Michael Neser, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner.

Richardson not selected as he is being managed due to his injury issues.
Agar comes into the test squad.

The first test starts the 4th of March.

Agar is the only one I cant agree with. Surely his not the third best spinner in the country at shield level. Admittedly I haven't looked up his stats this year.

Other than that its pretty much what most would have picked. Would have loved to see Street or Hunt go over for the experience but I guess the purse strings are tight at CA at the moment with everything covid has thrown at them.

Left Armer & fact he can hold a bat bit gets Agar across the line I think. He's going over as third choice will only play if they need extra batting depth but with Green there now doubt that happens.

I thought Pukovski might have been straight back in for Harris but guess they want him to find his feet at shield level for rest of the year.

You won't find Agar's Sheffield Shield stats for 2021/22 Wuffer because he hasn't played a shield match for WA this season due to being a part of the Aussies T20 WC squad.

There's probably no one else in state cricket that could play that spinning all rounder role but the Australian selectors love Agar and the love affair continues. If everything goes right for the Aussies I doubt he will play.

Pucovski has only just returned to grade cricket for Melbourne CC in the new year, he made 70 opening the batting in their one day match on Saturday just gone and before that made scores of 40, 8 and 32 in a T20. He's set to play for Victoria for the first time in 398 days in today's SS match against SA.


The love affair with Agar is absolute craziness.

Yeah yeah I know he hit that 99 on debut but he average 27 with the bat at first class level which is bang on what Starc averages. At best his a handy lower order batsmen.

I know this sounds even crazier but compare these two players careers, both have not played FC cricket this year. I'm not saying pick him but his stats add up to a better selection surely. There is no way on the planet you can convince me Agar should be on that tour.

Agar 154 wickets @ 41.28 with a strike rate of 80.7 and economy of 3.06
Maxwell 77 wickets @ 41.22 with a strike rate of 73.7 an economy of 3.35

Agar 2166 runs @ 27.76 with 3 hundreds and 11 fifties
Maxwell 4061 runs @ 39.91 with 7 hundred and 23 fifties[/quote]Agreed mate, if Maxwell still bothered to play first class cricket he'd be on the Pakistan tour, he's really a wasted red ball talent.
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby Booney » Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:01 am

amber_fluid wrote:
whufc wrote:
Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:As per usual could not agree less with Ian Chappells view that a team doesn't need a coach.


Chappelli's views have been irrelevant for 20 years.


They should be but he gets far to much air time still to this day.

He absolutely appeases the 60 year old bar flys who are already lining up to get into your local pub right now and are carrying their advertiser tab guide.


Booney’s not 60 yet mate


Tell my right shoulder and left ankle that!
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Re: Australian International Summer (The Ashes) 2021/22

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:08 am

Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:As per usual could not agree less with Ian Chappells view that a team doesn't need a coach.


Chappelli's views have been irrelevant for 20 years.
But, but, but Bill Lawry once told him that it's easier to face a right arm seamer bowling around the wicket than over the wicket so all right arm seamers should always be bowling over the wicket even though as a collective they've had more success bowling around the wicket in recent times (eg Broad to Warner and Flintoffto Gilchrist).
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