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Re: I need to know....

Postby Pseudo » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:07 pm

RB wrote:
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Lightning McQueen wrote:Does anyone know if you cash in some annual leave do you get taxed at a higher rate or is it just a myth?


Seek financial advice relevant to your own situation, blah blah blah.

Ok, there are a few things at play here, which depending on where you sit and how you view things and how your employer does the payment that will change how you view the answer to the question, have I been taxed at a higher rate?

Scenario 1:
Lets say you earn $115k, you're in the 32.5c bracket. - tax brackets available here: https://www.ato.gov.au/rates/individual ... tax-rates/
If you get paid out $10k worth of leave, that puts half that 10k in the 32.5c bracket, and then the second 5k goes in the 37c bracket.

So yes, that portion of your annual leave payout will get taxed at a higher rate than your normal pay.

Now, the next option.
Scenario 2:
Lets say you earn $100k, and get paid out $10k of annual leave. You are still within the 32.5c bracket (as your total remains under $120k).
However, some people will still say they have been taxed at a higher rate based on their average tax paid.
EG: On the base 100k, you've paid nil on your first 18.2k, 19c on the income from 18.2-45k, and 32.5c for everything from 45k to 100k. This gives a total tax paid of $22,967. This gives them an effective tax rate of 23c in the dollar over their 100k, so then when their extra 10k gets taxed at 32.5c they feel that their are being taxed at a higher rate than normal.

So you might answer yes or no, depending on how you view this scenario.
FWIW, I say that's its a no, as you are getting taxed the same if your base pay was 110k, or if it is 100k plus 10k of annual leave paid out.

Now for the third option:
Scenario 3:
You're within the same bracket, however your company payroll lady doesn't really understand how the tax system works. Sure they have a broad understanding, but don't get the finer details. You usually get paid fortnightly, and on 100k, that's 4k per pay period (rounded) before tax. Now in this pay, you get 'paid' $14k as you have your $10k of paid out annual leave in there.
So the payroll lady looks at the fortnightly tax tables, which assume that's your pay every fortnight, and they tax you as if you are going to earn 350k over the year (14k x 25ish fortnights). So all of a sudden you are up in the Gina Reinheart brackets and getting done at 45c/dollar.

Now, people 100% will say yes, you've been taxed at a higher rate. However, what they fail to consider is that those extra 12.5c per dollar you've paid, you will get it back when you do your tax return and they see your yearly income was 110k, not 350k. So after your tax return has been processed, you have NOT paid extra tax by getting your annual leave paid out, you just happened to have forced savings for the period between when you got paid and when you did your tax return.

Happy to explain further if the above has raised any questions for you.
Also happy to do it via PM if you want to talk specific numbers without broadcasting it over the internet for all the others to read.

But in short, no, the tax system is set up in such a way that you won't pay more tax than you should have to.


I can't add anything to this perfect summary, except to stress that in Australia there is never any tax disincentive to earning more income.

Actually, I will add something to demonstrate this.

Imagine a staircase, where the height of each successive step represents a taxable income figure, ordered from $1 to infinity.

Now imagine another staircase, where the height of each successive step represents the 'net income' (i.e. after tax) figure that corresponds to each taxable income step.

So $75,000 on the first staircase corresponds to $58,658 on the second staircase, $75,001 corresponds to $59,658.66, etc. (Rough figures, would generally be a bit less after applicable offsets.)

Now, the first staircase obviously ascends to infinity, with each step being a dollar higher than the last.

This next bit is why there's no tax disincentive to earning more money, regardless of how much more or the effect of tax brackets.

Just as each step on the first staircase is higher than the last, without exception, so too is each step on the second staircase. With each extra dollar you earn, your 'net income', after tax, increases. The second staircase never heads downward, not even slightly.

While ending up in a higher tax bracket means that you will pay a greater rate of tax on income within that bracket, this is outweighed by the increased income you have earned, as the tax man will never take more than 45c to the dollar, and that's if you're in the top bracket. In order to end up with less after earning more income, the tax man would need to take more than 100c to the dollar. Obviously that isn't going to happen.

The only difference when you end up in a higher bracket is that each step in the second staircase doesn't rise by as much now. But it is always still higher than the previous one.

The only exception to this I can think of would be where you do not have private health insurance and your taxable income ticks over the Medicare levy surcharge threshold ($90k for singles), in which case you have to pay the surcharge. Probably worth considering health insurance if that's you.

As Trader said, even if your work cocks up your pay, you'll get back anything you're owed after completing your tax return.

So in sum, the more money you earn, the more money you keep.

<above is general advice; seek advice about your own circumstances from a professional etc.>


Or in one line, the function mapping gross salary to net salary is monotonically increasing. :-B
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Trader » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:08 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Cheers mate, a wealth of knowledge as per usual.

I get paid monthly and cashing in 4 weeks won't put me into the $120K =+ category.

Work is on to us to reduce our leave but due to an injury, someone else taking some carers leave and another person leaving I'm unable to take any until June/July, I haven't had any time off since Christmas 2020 and was hoping to squeeze in a week or two now or in March.

I've given up hope so I thought I may as well cash some in as I'm looking at getting a new car soon so this will see me borrowing less.


No dramas.

You've mentioned it in other comments already so I'm sure you're on top of it, but one thing to be mindful of is if you are getting a payrise soon. Obviously cash out after the pay rise comes through. (No matter if that's a simple CPI increase or a major jump as a result of a new position).

Secondly, some companies pay leave loading (17.5%) when you take annual leave, but won't pay it when you get your leave paid out.
Might be worth following up with your payroll lady to see if something like that impacts you before you pull the trigger.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Trader » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:10 pm

Oh and things like Child Support payments get calculated off your taxable income.
So if you've got a bump in this years figures it could impact future payments to another party.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:33 pm

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Lightning McQueen wrote:Cheers mate, a wealth of knowledge as per usual.

I get paid monthly and cashing in 4 weeks won't put me into the $120K =+ category.

Work is on to us to reduce our leave but due to an injury, someone else taking some carers leave and another person leaving I'm unable to take any until June/July, I haven't had any time off since Christmas 2020 and was hoping to squeeze in a week or two now or in March.

I've given up hope so I thought I may as well cash some in as I'm looking at getting a new car soon so this will see me borrowing less.


No dramas.

You've mentioned it in other comments already so I'm sure you're on top of it, but one thing to be mindful of is if you are getting a payrise soon. Obviously cash out after the pay rise comes through. (No matter if that's a simple CPI increase or a major jump as a result of a new position).

Secondly, some companies pay leave loading (17.5%) when you take annual leave, but won't pay it when you get your leave paid out.
Might be worth following up with your payroll lady to see if something like that impacts you before you pull the trigger.


Yeah mate, I got a decent pay increase not long ago and now I've mounted a good case for another new role that I'll hold out for before requesting the cashout, it could potentially be a $40-$50K increase which will be a fair difference with a 150 hour payout.

I was being told for a few months that they had a promotion lined up for me so I semi-purposely kept banking my leave, we couldn't travel anyway so taking leave was quite redundant.

I'm on salary so it doesn't change a thing, we don't get leave loading.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby DOC » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:05 pm

When did North start the "Grog Squad"?
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Re: I need to know....

Postby locky801 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:14 pm

DOC wrote:When did North start the "Grog Squad"?


Geez good question, reckon it was back in the 70's with Mike Sweatmann and Roy Dexter, possibly after the 73 grand final but wouldnt be 100% sure
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Re: I need to know....

Postby DOC » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:33 pm

Thanks Locky.

I came across this photo from 1970. That patch reads Official Carlton Grog Squad. Had not heard of any other club having it besides North.

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Re: I need to know....

Postby locky801 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:42 pm

DOC wrote:Thanks Locky.

I came across this photo from 1970. That patch reads Official Carlton Grog Squad. Had not heard of any other club having it besides North.

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Look like a mob of hillbillies to me :D :weedman:
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:52 pm

locky801 wrote:
DOC wrote:Thanks Locky.

I came across this photo from 1970. That patch reads Official Carlton Grog Squad. Had not heard of any other club having it besides North.

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Look like a mob of hillbillies to me :D :weedman:

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Re: I need to know....

Postby DOC » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:53 pm

Would appear they started in 1966.

The photo credit is for Ian Button.

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Re: I need to know....

Postby Spargo » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:19 pm

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Re: I need to know....

Postby locky801 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:31 pm

DOC wrote:Would appear they started in 1966.

The photo credit is for Ian Button.

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oh well wasnt far out i was only 8 in 1966 how could i remember that
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Pseudo » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:39 pm

Spargo wrote:Glenelg cheer squad duffle coat patch

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Re: I need to know....

Postby Booney » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:02 am

About to hand in my notice, I've got a feeling this isn't going to go down too well....
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Wedgie » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:10 am

Booney wrote:About to hand in my notice, I've got a feeling this isn't going to go down too well....

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Re: I need to know....

Postby heater31 » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:12 am

Booney wrote:About to hand in my notice, I've got a feeling this isn't going to go down too well....
Well be honest when they ask why...
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Re: I need to know....

Postby whufc » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:19 am

Booney wrote:About to hand in my notice, I've got a feeling this isn't going to go down too well....


Oh well nature of the game really. They have no choice but to accept it.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Booney » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:22 am

Went better than expected, he certainly didn't see it coming but understands.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Wedgie » Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:21 pm

Anyone know how strict Coopers (Hindmarsh) Stadium are on which gate you enter?
Making my once a season visit when my team plays AU and my life will be so much easier if I can enter on the western side rather than gate 9 as instructed.
Other choice is the staff entrance which while not ideal would be still better, luckily I know how to go through that unquestioned.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby RB » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:56 pm

They appear to have been pretty strict this season. I'm fairly sure I've seen folks told to head to another gate. Haven't tried it myself.

Also be prepared for it to take a ridiculously long time to get in. Checking vaccine certs, QR codes, tickets, making sure you don't have a piece of metal up your clacker etc. shouldn't be that difficult, but the people doing this don't seem to understand the concept of speed or efficiency this season. Some of the punters appear not to be in much of a hurry as well.

Personally, when I arrive at the ground 30 minutes prior to the match, I expect to be able to be in my seat at kick-off - but maybe that's just me.
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