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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Dutchy » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:11 am

Anyone feel we have lost our killer instinct since Langer left?
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby whufc » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:17 am

Dutchy wrote:Anyone feel we have lost our killer instinct since Langer left?


Yep. I don’t think Langer would have accepted the game coasting like that. I guess that’s the point I’ve being trying to make is that I feel like we really batted within ourselves especially once we got in a strong position which cost us what would have been valuable time.

In saying that he was the coach for the poor decleration in Sydney which was miles to late so who knows.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Brodlach » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:21 am

You mean in two tests on concrete tracks?
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Brodlach » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:23 am

whufc wrote:
RB wrote:
whufc wrote:I think we showed a little disrespect (maybe deservedly) that we felt we could ‘waste’ time in an away test match and still walk away with the win.


Jesus you dribble some shit on here.


We all do….it’s what a forum is for.

Can you answer though what you think the intent of the second innings was??


What do you mean by this?

They had nearly two days to bowl them out after rolling them for 148 in the first innings. How much longer do you want?
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:27 am

whufc wrote:Absolutely drop catches hurt but drop catches happen in most innings. I don’t imagine slip fielding in the sub continent is easy when your so close to the batters, variable bounce, long periods where there isn’t a single chance. The interesting one is the Khawaja one still wearing the helmet yet fielding over a pitch length back from the batters. Still should have caught it but that would have felt weird af.

I think we showed a little disrespect (maybe deservedly) that we felt we could ‘waste’ time in an away test match and still walk away with the win.

I would just like to see us be a bit more attacking in the way we search for wins.

Can you explain the second innings (I get why we batted but don’t understand the intent). If it was to get a 500 run lead we could have got that by the end of day 3. I get why we didn’t bowl on day 3 but if continuing to bat at a moderate pace was to give the bowlers the extra 30 minute test at the start of a day your kidding me. If it was to mentally disintegrate the Pakis by sending them back out there it didn’t come close to working.


That is like trying to explain the smell of the colour purple.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby am Bays » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:27 am

Jim05 wrote:
whufc wrote:
Jim05 wrote:We had more than enough time. The declaration was spot on and everything was fine up until that point.
You can’t field like a u10’s side and expect to win a test.
This should have been over before tea tonight and I’d suggest that Smith doesn’t sleep well for a few nights


Like leaving the ball as a batsmen there is only good ones and bad ones…..we didn’t leave ourselves enough time because we didn’t bowl them out. We had opportunities to maximise the time further and we didn’t take it and ultimately it cost us along with other factors such as fielding.

Sadly Borders mental disintegration tactics have backfired big time.
We could have had 4 days to bowl them out but it means squat if you don’t hold your catches. Smith holds that soda and they are 3/30 with the ball still newish and into a brittle middle order. He batted another 81 overs after the drop


Nailed it Jim

Nothing wrong with the declaration, 5 and a half sessions to get 10 wickets on that pitch noting the variable bounce. Also gave them a carrot of 3 runs an over.

Dropped catches cost us 3/30 ups the anti big time Babar.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby whufc » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:32 am

Brodlach wrote:
whufc wrote:
RB wrote:
whufc wrote:I think we showed a little disrespect (maybe deservedly) that we felt we could ‘waste’ time in an away test match and still walk away with the win.


Jesus you dribble some shit on here.


We all do….it’s what a forum is for.

Can you answer though what you think the intent of the second innings was??


What do you mean by this?

They had nearly two days to bowl them out after rolling them for 148 in the first innings. How much longer do you want?



When they decided to bat for a second time rather than enforce the follow why

1/ to give the bowlers a rest….. fair enough to end day 3 but what did the extra 30 minute rest at the start of day 4 achieve
2/ to set a target so they didn’t have to bat last…. Fair enough……if the aim was 500 surely we could have got their quicker.

We can say it should have been enough time but the fact was it wasn’t and if we were a tad more aggressive whilst infront of the game we could have had an extra session almost which would have got the job done.

I guess what I’m trying to say is we didn’t put the foot to the throttle on a couple of occasions throughout the match when we had a chance…….ultimately it was one of a few reasons that we didn’t get the win
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:36 am

Brodlach wrote:
What do you mean by this?

They had nearly two days to bowl them out after rolling them for 148 in the first innings. How much longer do you want?


I said at the time that we should've enforced the follow on, we had only bowled 53 overs and our two strike bowlers were quite well rested by the completion on the Pakistani innings.

We need to get the demons of Kolkota 2001 out of our heads and enforce follow ons when they are best suited.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby whufc » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:37 am

Anyway we will never agree

What do we do in the next test in four days time

Would have to think the pitch will be a turner given the pakis need to win to get the trophy

Can the bowlers all back it up after 171 overs in 30 plus degree heat, does Hazelwood need to come back
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Brodlach » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:44 am

Didn’t enforce the follow on so they could get the heavy roller on it again hoping it would break the pitch up more.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:52 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Brodlach wrote:
What do you mean by this?

They had nearly two days to bowl them out after rolling them for 148 in the first innings. How much longer do you want?


I said at the time that we should've enforced the follow on, we had only bowled 53 overs and our two strike bowlers were quite well rested by the completion on the Pakistani innings.

We need to get the demons of Kolkota 2001 out of our heads and enforce follow ons when they are best suited.


Agree.
Yep needed to be brave and enforce the follow on
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby whufc » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:53 am

Brodlach wrote:Didn’t enforce the follow on so they could get the heavy roller on it again hoping it would break the pitch up more.


Understandable

We could have batted with intent on that day 3 and finished at stumps with a 500 if not more run lead……. Could have declared 30
Minutes earlier which would have been invaulable come the end of day 5

Yes we ‘should of’ had enough time to win, the facts is we didn’t and with a more aggressive mind frame we could have had ‘even more’ time.

IMO we played a comfortable game with the bat in hand…smith and Khawaja should never have let the pakis get away with that leg side bowling….that was a wasted hour. Our day 2 batting before stumps was very cautious given the strong position we were in.

The crazy stat our first innings run rate and the pakis run rate in the fourth innings whilst saving the game was almost on par. They legit almost scored at quicker rate when the pitch was at its worse and they were trying to save a game than we did when we were infront of the game trying to set up the win.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Aerie » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:59 am

Amazing batting by Pakistan to hold on for a draw. It certainly wasn't as flat a pitch as the 1st Test. Australia should've been able to bowl Pakistan out within 170 overs. Why wasn't Marnus given a bowl earlier? Swepson had bowled 50 overs before Marnus was brought on. On that pitch - Marnus was able to extract more bounce and worry than Swepson could. We had the runs in the bank not to have to worry about the runs scored by Pakistan. Is Scott Boland over there? He should play the 3rd Test in place of Swepson. Wasn't he brought in to the MCG Test because he was a flat pitch specialist?

Anyway, at least that Test match was much more entertaining than the 1st Test. Credit to Pakistan's batting in the 2nd innings in the end.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Armchair expert » Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:03 am

Dutchy wrote:Anyone feel we have lost our killer instinct since Langer left?


Hell no

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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby RB » Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:20 am

whufc wrote:
RB wrote:
whufc wrote:I think we showed a little disrespect (maybe deservedly) that we felt we could ‘waste’ time in an away test match and still walk away with the win.


Jesus you dribble some shit on here.


We all do….it’s what a forum is for.

Can you answer though what you think the intent of the second innings was??


Others above have answered this. Give the bowlers a brief break, get Pakistan out in the field, get the roller on, all would've played a role. Whether this was the right call, as Jim said we easily had enough time to bowl them out but didn't, dropped catches costing us à la at the SCG v England.

The suggestion that we showed Pakistan disrespect is non-sensical, and borders on the obsessive.

The fact is, this series was always going to be a bat-athon. The last two Pakistan tours (yes I know they were in the UAE) were run-fests on roads, with results only possible because Australia's batting isn't as good as it is now. The PCB were always going to want five day matches in this series. Couple that with the concrete they served up in Rawalpindi, the second test had draw written all over it. The blokes in the ISS could've seen that this one was heading for a draw. The match figures were 11/653 and 17/591.

In the end, we had our chances to win, but it was simply about executing in the field. Other than that, it's difficult to fault our performance at all IMO.

Playing on roads where all 8 specialist bowlers found it hard to trouble batsmen, against a Pakistan side that is clearly superior to the one that toured Australia, in our first series in Pakistan in 22 years (most of our guys would never have previously set foot in the place), it is going to be very tough to win.

If I were a fool, I would suggest that your failure to give Pakistan credit for the class fourth innings batting performance amounted to disrespect.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:40 am

RB wrote:
Others above have answered this. Give the bowlers a brief break, get Pakistan out in the field, get the roller on, all would've played a role. Whether this was the right call, as Jim said we easily had enough time to bowl them out but didn't, dropped catches costing us à la at the SCG v England.

The suggestion that we showed Pakistan disrespect is non-sensical, and borders on the obsessive.

The fact is, this series was always going to be a bat-athon. The last two Pakistan tours (yes I know they were in the UAE) were run-fests on roads, with results only possible because Australia's batting isn't as good as it is now. The PCB were always going to want five day matches in this series. Couple that with the concrete they served up in Rawalpindi, the second test had draw written all over it. The blokes in the ISS could've seen that this one was heading for a draw. The match figures were 11/653 and 17/591.

In the end, we had our chances to win, but it was simply about executing in the field. Other than that, it's difficult to fault our performance at all IMO.

Playing on roads where all 8 specialist bowlers found it hard to trouble batsmen, against a Pakistan side that is clearly superior to the one that toured Australia, in our first series in Pakistan in 22 years (most of our guys would never have previously set foot in the place), it is going to be very tough to win.

If I were a fool, I would suggest that your failure to give Pakistan credit for the class fourth innings batting performance amounted to disrespect.

Yep, all bullshit aside Aerie was on the money, it was an amazing display of integrity, valuing your wicket and resilience by the Pakistani batsmen, Babar is as good as there is getting around atm, I'm so glad I've got the chance to see him.

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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby whufc » Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:52 am

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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Dutchy » Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:01 pm

Brodlach wrote:You mean in two tests on concrete tracks?


Can't blame the pitch yesterday, it was a typical 5th day Asian track, plenty of variable bounce, and recent test matches there confirm its a results pitch.

We bowled shit (Swepson :roll: ) and Paki's batted brilliantly, I dont care what you bat on, batting for 2 days after being bowled out in 53 overs is sensational.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby Booney » Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:03 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Brodlach wrote:You mean in two tests on concrete tracks?


Can't blame the pitch yesterday, it was a typical 5th day Asian track, plenty of variable bounce, and recent test matches there confirm its a results pitch.

We bowled shit (Swepson :roll: ) and Paki's batted brilliantly, I dont care what you bat on, batting for 2 days after being bowled out in 53 overs is sensational.


Fair suck of the sauce bottle, Head and Lubuswanker dropped Babar in consecutive deliveries where Swepson had him beat.
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Re: Pakistan/Australia series

Postby tigerpie » Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:28 pm

Booney wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Brodlach wrote:You mean in two tests on concrete tracks?


Can't blame the pitch yesterday, it was a typical 5th day Asian track, plenty of variable bounce, and recent test matches there confirm its a results pitch.

We bowled shit (Swepson :roll: ) and Paki's batted brilliantly, I dont care what you bat on, batting for 2 days after being bowled out in 53 overs is sensational.


Fair suck of the sauce bottle, Head and Lubuswanker dropped Babar in consecutive deliveries where Swepson had him beat.

Just going to post that myself.
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