by MW » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:26 am
by Lightning McQueen » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:33 am
MW wrote:What's the general consensus from Port fans on this forum? Socials are blowing up with sack Ken narrative...is it that simple?
Injuries to key position players taking that much of a toll it's put you 0-3 or more too it?
I still think you'll finish in the top 8 and if fit, still challenge but it will just be more difficult. Could even be what you need with expectations reduced rather than be the regular season front runners and fall over in the prelim under massive internal pressure.
by Booney » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:39 am
by whufc » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:42 am
Lightning McQueen wrote:MW wrote:What's the general consensus from Port fans on this forum? Socials are blowing up with sack Ken narrative...is it that simple?
Injuries to key position players taking that much of a toll it's put you 0-3 or more too it?
I still think you'll finish in the top 8 and if fit, still challenge but it will just be more difficult. Could even be what you need with expectations reduced rather than be the regular season front runners and fall over in the prelim under massive internal pressure.
A bit of column A and a bit of column B IMO.
I don't get too wound up over anything I can't control but I think the brain isn't getting the message through to the hands, the last two prelim's were enough for me to draw that conclusion, I don't think the group has the mental tenacity under Kenny to win a flag.
Being 0-3 and who we have lost to has given everyone the notion that this will be another failed season so the pitchforks are out.
But yeah, lose your top defender and two best forwards and you're in a bit of strife, especially when the game plans are moulded around two of them.
by Booney » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:47 am
by MW » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:49 am
Booney wrote:Aliir and Clurey are the two big bodied key defenders, we're missing both of them. Dixon and Gray arguably the two most important forwards, we're missing both of them.
Last years injuries were Duursma, Butters, Jones, Hartlett, Farrell, Bonner, Rockliff...easier to cover mids than it is key positions. We covered them last year with the likes of Woodcock, Frederick, Mayes etc all playing roles as needed.
Still, no excuses, we had our chances in two games and should be 2-1.
by Booney » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:54 am
by Vamos » Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:37 pm
by mots02 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:45 pm
by whufc » Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:53 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:54 pm
whufc wrote:Agree its not the worst 0-3 you've ever seen if that makes sense, there are some positives. The worry if I was a Port supporter would be:
-Lycett struggling, is Hayes read to go??
-Rozee is walking a fine line of being one of those players who perform when the going is easy but doesn't have the heart or strength to get into a game when its tough
-Duursma will his body ever hold up, now has had a signigicant contact injury and has also had a significant structural injury last season. Is only 21 gut feel tells me his body just isn't ready for the total demands of AFL. Hopefully this changes when he matures but is a big IF.
-Its evident how important Aliir and Dixon are to the side. How do you replace them or how do Port hold on until they come back. This will test Hinkley coaching adaptability
by Trader » Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:59 pm
MW wrote:What's the general consensus from Port fans on this forum? Socials are blowing up with sack Ken narrative...is it that simple?
Trader wrote:I am not impressed with this move.
I don't rate our list and think he's done well to get as much out of it as he has, however I don't think Ken is worth 900k, and certainly not worth 4 years.
But, what's done is done, so I guess I better get used to it!
Trader wrote:Heck, might even allow ken to approach a game with a positive mind set. Actually, scrap that, lets keep our dreams realistic...
Trader wrote:Um, wtf has ken done with selection. Midfielders out, small forwards in??
Amon and Johnson both in. Its like we are playing with 16...
Cant for the life of me work out what Trengrove has done wrong. Safe to say he'll be playing local footy next year.
Trader wrote:Not only are we in the bottom 6 for retaining the ball when we go inside 50, we rank 16th of 18 for converting shots on goal. That is to say, on the odd chance we actually keep the ball and kick a score, it's likely to be a miss given how wide we are in the pockets.
It's a terrible game plan. I hate it.
I understand with Dixon out and our other 'bigs' generally being inexperienced as forward there are limited options for Ken, but I'd prefer we stuck someone up there and tried to play footy and lose, rather than play this terrible BS and lose anyway.
Trader wrote:Booney wrote:You can give Hinkley one thing, either he or his manager are bloody good negotiators.
Two sides of the negotiation.
I'm not convinced this outcome is because Hinkley's side is good at it...
by whufc » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:04 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:whufc wrote:Agree its not the worst 0-3 you've ever seen if that makes sense, there are some positives. The worry if I was a Port supporter would be:
-Lycett struggling, is Hayes read to go??
-Rozee is walking a fine line of being one of those players who perform when the going is easy but doesn't have the heart or strength to get into a game when its tough
-Duursma will his body ever hold up, now has had a signigicant contact injury and has also had a significant structural injury last season. Is only 21 gut feel tells me his body just isn't ready for the total demands of AFL. Hopefully this changes when he matures but is a big IF.
-Its evident how important Aliir and Dixon are to the side. How do you replace them or how do Port hold on until they come back. This will test Hinkley coaching adaptability
Lycett was excellent Friday night, and against a good opponent.
by Booney » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:18 pm
by Vamos » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:21 pm
by Booney » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:29 pm
Trader wrote:But the thing is, we never really know how good a coach actually is.
If a coach does well and wins a flag, is that cause he's a good coach, or cause he got handed a team on a silver platter (Chris Scott).
If a team bottoms out, is that cause the coach lost the players, or was his squad never any good?
If a team makes a prelim, is that cause the coach was good, or cause covid lead to a favourable draw and home fixtures?
by Trader » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:40 pm
Booney wrote:The plan clearly works, we've been excellent defensively and get more than enough inside 50's. That suggests good coaching, good structures. We don't capitalize on those entries though. That to me suggests we're not good enough, particularly forward of the ball.
Trader wrote:Not only are we in the bottom 6 for retaining the ball when we go inside 50, we rank 16th of 18 for converting shots on goal. That is to say, on the odd chance we actually keep the ball and kick a score, it's likely to be a miss given how wide we are in the pockets.
It's a terrible game plan. I hate it.
mots02 wrote:Round 2 was a bit of a stinker on lots of levels against the Hawks, but kicking straighter might have kept you in the game longer.
Round 3 [b]you kick straighter[/b] and Dawsons kick after the siren makes no difference.
Booney wrote:Trader wrote:But the thing is, we never really know how good a coach actually is.
If a coach does well and wins a flag, is that cause he's a good coach, or cause he got handed a team on a silver platter (Chris Scott).
If a team bottoms out, is that cause the coach lost the players, or was his squad never any good?
If a team makes a prelim, is that cause the coach was good, or cause covid lead to a favourable draw and home fixtures?
There's more coaches with "What if?" over their heads than "Premiership coach", I think Hinkley will be a "What if?".
by Rik E Boy » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:41 pm
LaughingKookaburra wrote:It’s amazing how things change so quickly in footy. Literally 3 games ago we were talking about Port Adelaide heading in to a Grand Final and now all of a sudden the coach is under pressure to keep his job. Admittedly 2 of those losses were daggers to the heart but if you want to be ultra critical I still ultimately think 2020 when they were top for the whole minor round and missed a GF with a home prelim was the biggest missed opportunity. They’ll belt Adelaide this week and it’ll keep at least some of the wolves at bay for now.
by Dutchy » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:55 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:21 pm
Vamos wrote:That's some serious quoting skills Trader
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