St Kilda

[Booney]

They've misread their own list over and over and over.

[gadj1976]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Their list is full of guys from other clubs.
Steele, Membrey, Higgins, Crouch, Hill, Butler, Lienert,Wood, Howard,Jones and add Ryder and Hannerbery.

Irrespective, they have a top 8 list IMO. They have a forward line as potent as anyone's with a lot of variation, it just doesn't fire all together often enough.

Carlton finished 9th with a much better list than St Kilda.

[mighty_tiger_79]

No coach is going to change that list or culture overnight.
No one!

Blighty tried and they kicked him out after 6 matches

[Lightning McQueen]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Their list is full of guys from other clubs.
Steele, Membrey, Higgins, Crouch, Hill, Butler, Lienert,Wood, Howard,Jones and add Ryder and Hannerbery.

Irrespective, they have a top 8 list IMO. They have a forward line as potent as anyone's with a lot of variation, it just doesn't fire all together often enough.

Carlton finished 9th with a much better list than St Kilda.

Carlton are a top 7 team IMO

[Lightning McQueen]

No coach is going to change that list or culture overnight.
No one!

Blighty tried and they kicked him out after 6 matches

Yep, I remember the actual match.

[goddy11]

If we are going with a Hold My Beer Embarrassing Club ladder surely it looks something like this......

1. Essendon
2. St Kilda
3. Adelaide
4. Hawthorn (current situation which will reveal more in coming years)
5. North Melbourne
6. GC (couldn't manage a piss up at a brewery)
7. Carlton (on field performances & continuous rebuild, expect them to move down the ladder in the next few years)
8. Collingwood (a few misdemeanors and paying other clubs for their players.....on field solid though)

9. West Coast (very unlucky to not be in the top 8...on field rabble, historic issues)
10. Port Adelaide (119 pts and the identity crisis still linger)
11. GWS (crowds of 10k, and continuously lose any decent player they get)
12. Western Bulldogs (trade period was interesting.......potential to move up the ladder in the next few years)
13. Fremantle (they still wear purple and haven't won a premiership).
14. Melbourne (were perennial top 4 club but have done ok in recent years.
15. Richmond (need to get back to the ninthmond days to move up the ladder)
16. Brisbane (can't be embarrassed about something nobody cares about)
17. Sydney
18. Geelong

The Crows can't even win this.

Geelong seems to always be protected some way or another. The must be doing a Norwood with brown paper bags a flourishing cottage industry.

[RB]

They've misread their own list over and over and over.

This. Realistically their list has been bottom six-worthy for ten years, with little fluctuation.

As long a road back to being a flag contender as North, Hawthorn, Essendon, IMO.

[PatowalongaPirate]

A caller on SEN earlier said the yearly automatic membership renewal came out of bank accounts on Wednesday this week. I wonder if they waited to announce the sacking until after the direct debits were made.

[Brodlach]

Coincidentally I’d say, would have waited until the trade week was done

[amber_fluid]

Surely the Saints have someone in mind to coach.
Surely.

[Lightning McQueen]

Surely the Saints have someone in mind to coach.
Surely.

Surely not the obvious is making a return.

[whufc]

If we are going with a Hold My Beer Embarrassing Club ladder surely it looks something like this......

1. Essendon
2. St Kilda
3. Adelaide
4. Hawthorn (current situation which will reveal more in coming years)
5. North Melbourne
6. GC (couldn't manage a piss up at a brewery)
7. Carlton (on field performances & continuous rebuild, expect them to move down the ladder in the next few years)
8. Collingwood (a few misdemeanors and paying other clubs for their players.....on field solid though)

9. West Coast (very unlucky to not be in the top 8...on field rabble, historic issues)
10. Port Adelaide (119 pts and the identity crisis still linger)
11. GWS (crowds of 10k, and continuously lose any decent player they get)
12. Western Bulldogs (trade period was interesting.......potential to move up the ladder in the next few years)
13. Fremantle (they still wear purple and haven't won a premiership).
14. Melbourne (were perennial top 4 club but have done ok in recent years.
15. Richmond (need to get back to the ninthmond days to move up the ladder)
16. Brisbane (can't be embarrassed about something nobody cares about)
17. Sydney
18. Geelong

The Crows can't even win this.

Geelong seems to always be protected some way or another. The must be doing a Norwood with brown paper bags a flourishing cottage industry.

It’s definitely not a lack of trying on the Crows behalf that’s for sure

[whufc]

Coincidentally I’d say, would have waited until the trade week was done

Yeah absolutely no player would have wanted to go there whilst there was no coach in position.

[stun72]

A caller on SEN earlier said the yearly automatic membership renewal came out of bank accounts on Wednesday this week. I wonder if they waited to announce the sacking until after the direct debits were made.

Apparently the Membership Marketing didn't have Ratten on it but Robert Harvey and a player whose name I can't recall.

[Bandit]

A caller on SEN earlier said the yearly automatic membership renewal came out of bank accounts on Wednesday this week. I wonder if they waited to announce the sacking until after the direct debits were made.

Apparently the Membership Marketing didn't have Ratten on it but Robert Harvey and a player whose name I can't recall.

This is exactly the issue! Where are the Harvey, Hayes. Reiwoldt, DalSanto, Goddard types. Either poor drafting or poor development.

[saintal]

A caller on SEN earlier said the yearly automatic membership renewal came out of bank accounts on Wednesday this week. I wonder if they waited to announce the sacking until after the direct debits were made.

Apparently the Membership Marketing didn't have Ratten on it but Robert Harvey and a player whose name I can't recall.

Jack Sinclair. 2022 B+F winner and wears Harvey's #35. Wouldn't read anything into that.

[locky801]

Word on Lygon st is Ross Lyon has the gig

[mighty_tiger_79]

Word on Lygon st is Ross Lyon has the gig

makes you wonder if thats why he didnt really go for the other jobs?

[Armchair expert]

Word on Lygon st is Ross Lyon has the gig

No chance after his freo hush money payout

[amber_fluid]

Word on Lygon st is Ross Lyon has the gig

makes you wonder if thats why he didnt really go for the other jobs?

He couldn’t get the job done last time with a star studded team.
How’s he going to do it with a team of numpties?