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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:29 am

Warner is an eye player, he's never been about technique ( the amount of shots he played in that 200 with a bat on a 45° angle was alarming ) and his eye is going, understandable at 36. Head, much the same, all eye and not so much about technique. It's likely they both struggle there.

The real pressure is on the correct Labuschagne, Green and Carey. Smith is another example of batting, but it's Labuschagne, Carey and Green I think we need to fire with the bat and it's exactly why I'm playing Hazlewood and Cummins at least. Green is going to have a load of work to do and I think we'll need him more with the bat than ball.

I also think Head and Labuschagne look more like wicket takers with the ball than any of the three mentioned about and with Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon with Green, Head and Labuschagne taking part I reckon we have enough to take 20 wickets there.

Moving Green to 5, Carey to 6 and playing a second spinner leaves us vulnerable with Warner a literal hit and miss proposition at the moment.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:29 am

amber_fluid wrote:For me I think the key is whether Warner and Head can make runs over there coz if they can’t we’re in real trouble

Warner is taking in one century (double) in something like the last 3 years over there as his form in a country he averages 24.

Can't see him doing sweet FA.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:29 am

whufc wrote:Have you forgetton we are playing India. That country has been turning average spin bowlers into world beaters for years. Kreja, O'Keefe and even Clarke have been more than servicable over there.

Last time we won a series Hauritz played in all the tests.


I picking Colin Miller ahead of Agar, Murphy and Zampa.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:30 am

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amber_fluid wrote:Are you playing to win or draw?.

Playing not to lose first and foremost.. I'd be comfortable taking a draw


Play 11 batters then ;)

I can’t see us winning either but I’d take a draw for sure over there
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:32 am

Booney wrote:I picking Colin Miller ahead of Agar, Murphy and Zampa.

Funky Miller wasn't the worst :lol:
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby whufc » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:32 am

Booney wrote:Warner is an eye player, he's never been about technique ( the amount of shots he played in that 200 with a bat on a 45° angle was alarming ) and his eye is going, understandable at 36. Head, much the same, all eye and not so much about technique. It's likely they both struggle there.

The real pressure is on the correct Labuschagne, Green and Carey. Smith is another example of batting, but it's Labuschagne, Carey and Green I think we need to fire with the bat and it's exactly why I'm playing Hazlewood and Cummins at least. Green is going to have a load of work to do and I think we'll need him more with the bat than ball.

I also think Head and Labuschagne look more like wicket takers with the ball than any of the three mentioned about and with Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon with Green, Head and Labuschagne taking part I reckon we have enough to take 20 wickets there.

Moving Green to 5, Carey to 6 and playing a second spinner leaves us vulnerable with Warner a literal hit and miss proposition at the moment.


Problem you have is the second innings. You are not opening with two pacemen in the second innings of an indian test if it's one of their spinning decks. Playing 2 pacemen + Green you are essentially playing a cricketer down in the second innings. (Hazelwood) The second pacemen will bowl no more than10 overs to which Head, Labuschagne, Smith could even be more dangerous with the ball for those overs.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:33 am

I guess that's why Agar is in the squad - they see him as value with the bat.. but will be able to take some overs.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby whufc » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:38 am

In the last series between India/Sri Lanka......India played Bumrah and Shami, in the first test they bowled a combined 12 overs in the second innings. whilst the spinners bowled 48 overs for their 8 wickets.

In the second test second innings they bowled a combined 15 overs whilst the three spinners took 7 wickets in 44 overs.

Shami never bowled more than 8 overs in either of the second innings.

Just cant see how you can justify Hazelwood who becomes pretty much a spectator from day 3 on.... Unless Green is hitting double tons surely he has 2 x 4 over spells in him, one in the morning session one in the afternoon session.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:39 am

The Bedge wrote:I guess that's why Agar is in the squad - they see him as value with the bat.. but will be able to take some overs.


Other than his 98 not out on debut has he actually made many runs since in any form of cricket?
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:42 am

amber_fluid wrote:
The Bedge wrote:I guess that's why Agar is in the squad - they see him as value with the bat.. but will be able to take some overs.


Other than his 98 not out on debut has he actually made many runs since in any form of cricket?

Never said I was in favor of his selection. :lol:
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:44 am

whufc wrote:In the last series between India/Sri Lanka......India played Bumrah and Shami, in the first test they bowled a combined 12 overs in the second innings. whilst the spinners bowled 48 overs for their 8 wickets.

In the second test second innings they bowled a combined 15 overs whilst the three spinners took 7 wickets in 44 overs.

Shami never bowled more than 8 overs in either of the second innings.


Spinner took only 15 wickets? Don't win if you don't take 20. 8)
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby whufc » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:50 am

Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:In the last series between India/Sri Lanka......India played Bumrah and Shami, in the first test they bowled a combined 12 overs in the second innings. whilst the spinners bowled 48 overs for their 8 wickets.

In the second test second innings they bowled a combined 15 overs whilst the three spinners took 7 wickets in 44 overs.

Shami never bowled more than 8 overs in either of the second innings.


Spinner took only 15 wickets? Don't win if you don't take 20. 8)


That was in the second innings....15 out of 20 second innings wickets. Shami took a total of 2 second innings wicket at 37. The spinners took 15 at 15.

Just cant see how Hazelwood will offer enough value over Green.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:51 am

What’s Lyon’s record like over there?
I don’t think it’s that great anyway is it?

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Just looked it up and it’s on par with his average overall.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby whufc » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 am

Nathan Lyon

34 wickets @ 30.59
SR 51.79
E/R 3.54

For Comparison......

Shane Warne 34 wickets @ 43.00
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:56 am

whufc wrote:Nathan Lyon

34 wickets @ 30.59
SR 51.79
E/R 3.54

Those numbers are improved through the fact he's taken 11 of the wickets @ 2.77 against the bottom 4 batsmen.

Averages 61.80 against the top 4 batsmen.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby whufc » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:57 am

For comparison...

Shane Warne 34 wickets @ 43.00
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:58 am

whufc wrote:
Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:In the last series between India/Sri Lanka......India played Bumrah and Shami, in the first test they bowled a combined 12 overs in the second innings. whilst the spinners bowled 48 overs for their 8 wickets.

In the second test second innings they bowled a combined 15 overs whilst the three spinners took 7 wickets in 44 overs.

Shami never bowled more than 8 overs in either of the second innings.


Spinner took only 15 wickets? Don't win if you don't take 20. 8)


That was in the second innings....15 out of 20 second innings wickets. Shami took a total of 2 second innings wicket at 37. The spinners took 15 at 15.

Just cant see how Hazelwood will offer enough value over Green.


Just can't see how you play Green as a front line quick when he'll be batting at 6.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:59 am

The Bedge wrote:I'd want to have more bats than bowlers in the side I think.. we could take 10 wickets each innings with Cummins, Hazelwood, Green, Lyon + a part timer or two.. but it's the batting that lets us down.

I'd consider playing a Handscomb or Renshaw at 7 and Carey at 8.

1. Warner
2. Khawaja
3. Labuschagne
4. Smith
5. Head
6. Green
7. Renshaw
8. Carey
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

Only downside with the above is 6 left handed bats.

I’d move Renshaw ahead of Green to break the combinations up a little. Although you express having 6 lefties as a problem, 2 of the right handers are Smith and Marnus, there’s a fair chance that they will face nearly 50% of our balls.

I’m eager to see Zampa get a gig, I’d prefer him if we are to go a 2nd spinner, he can land it on the pizza and give it decent turn, any other option will only get embarrassed by the Indians.
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:00 am

whufc wrote:For comparison...

Shane Warne 34 wickets @ 43.00

Well to be fair he did have to bowl to the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Ganguly :D
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Re: Australian tour of India 2023

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:01 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Bedge wrote:I'd want to have more bats than bowlers in the side I think.. we could take 10 wickets each innings with Cummins, Hazelwood, Green, Lyon + a part timer or two.. but it's the batting that lets us down.

I'd consider playing a Handscomb or Renshaw at 7 and Carey at 8.

1. Warner
2. Khawaja
3. Labuschagne
4. Smith
5. Head
6. Green
7. Renshaw
8. Carey
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

Only downside with the above is 6 left handed bats.

I’d move Renshaw ahead of Green to break the combinations up a little. Although you express having 6 lefties as a problem, 2 of the right handers are Smith and Marnus, there’s a fair chance that they will face nearly 50% of our balls.

I’m eager to see Zampa get a gig, I’d prefer him if we are to go a 2nd spinner, he can land it on the pizza and give it decent turn, any other option will only get embarrassed by the Indians.


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