by Dutchy » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:46 pm
by wenchbarwer » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:16 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:not sure how many best and fairest Bruce McAvaney won?
But seriously,
305 games
Brownlow Medal: 2007
Norm Smith Medal: 2011
3x AFL Premiership: 2007, 2009, 2011
2x All-Australian Team: 2007, 2008
Won a Brownlow in a premiership season... greatness sometimes isn't just defined by awards. Which he won the most important ones. Norm smith, premiership and Brownlow. Bartel has achieved more than the players you mentioned. He was a excellent ambassador for our game.
Everyone who was inducted were great choices. All deserving
by wenchbarwer » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:19 pm
MW wrote:Beaten to B&F by Scarlett, Ablett, Selwood, Hawkins, Danger...
The only knock on him for me is he shouldnt be inducted so quickly, but deserves it nonetheless
by woodublieve12 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:33 pm
wenchbarwer wrote:MW wrote:Beaten to B&F by Scarlett, Ablett, Selwood, Hawkins, Danger...
The only knock on him for me is he shouldnt be inducted so quickly, but deserves it nonetheless
And I reckon they all deserve to be in the HOF. There's no shame being in the Hall of Very Good, which I reckon that's where Jimmy sits.
For Bartel to go in before someone like Dustin Fletcher is embarrassing.
by woodublieve12 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:35 pm
wenchbarwer wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:not sure how many best and fairest Bruce McAvaney won?
But seriously,
305 games
Brownlow Medal: 2007
Norm Smith Medal: 2011
3x AFL Premiership: 2007, 2009, 2011
2x All-Australian Team: 2007, 2008
Won a Brownlow in a premiership season... greatness sometimes isn't just defined by awards. Which he won the most important ones. Norm smith, premiership and Brownlow. Bartel has achieved more than the players you mentioned. He was a excellent ambassador for our game.
Everyone who was inducted were great choices. All deserving
Weak attempt with the Bruce troll...
So, being an ambassador now gets you into the HOF? Winning the Brownlow is exactly the point I made comparing him with Priddis & Cooney, sometimes there's an anomaly to that gong. Didn't win the AFL MVP though, which is voted by your peers. He's barely won more personal awards.
The AA teams I'll give him, even if it's just 2. Premierships are the by product of playing in great teams, not being a great player. Cam Mooney is a 3 time premiership player, by your logic is he deserving of the HOF too? Also won an AA blazer.
by Corona Man » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:25 pm
by wenchbarwer » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:28 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:wenchbarwer wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:not sure how many best and fairest Bruce McAvaney won?
But seriously,
305 games
Brownlow Medal: 2007
Norm Smith Medal: 2011
3x AFL Premiership: 2007, 2009, 2011
2x All-Australian Team: 2007, 2008
Won a Brownlow in a premiership season... greatness sometimes isn't just defined by awards. Which he won the most important ones. Norm smith, premiership and Brownlow. Bartel has achieved more than the players you mentioned. He was a excellent ambassador for our game.
Everyone who was inducted were great choices. All deserving
Weak attempt with the Bruce troll...
So, being an ambassador now gets you into the HOF? Winning the Brownlow is exactly the point I made comparing him with Priddis & Cooney, sometimes there's an anomaly to that gong. Didn't win the AFL MVP though, which is voted by your peers. He's barely won more personal awards.
The AA teams I'll give him, even if it's just 2. Premierships are the by product of playing in great teams, not being a great player. Cam Mooney is a 3 time premiership player, by your logic is he deserving of the HOF too? Also won an AA blazer.
No, but being a person who doesn't even play does. Again i am all for Bruce being inducted. Massive fan.
Bartel won a brownlow and a norm smith. Mooney didn't.
Did Geelong hurt you as a child??
by woodublieve12 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:36 pm
wenchbarwer wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:wenchbarwer wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:not sure how many best and fairest Bruce McAvaney won?
But seriously,
305 games
Brownlow Medal: 2007
Norm Smith Medal: 2011
3x AFL Premiership: 2007, 2009, 2011
2x All-Australian Team: 2007, 2008
Won a Brownlow in a premiership season... greatness sometimes isn't just defined by awards. Which he won the most important ones. Norm smith, premiership and Brownlow. Bartel has achieved more than the players you mentioned. He was a excellent ambassador for our game.
Everyone who was inducted were great choices. All deserving
Weak attempt with the Bruce troll...
So, being an ambassador now gets you into the HOF? Winning the Brownlow is exactly the point I made comparing him with Priddis & Cooney, sometimes there's an anomaly to that gong. Didn't win the AFL MVP though, which is voted by your peers. He's barely won more personal awards.
The AA teams I'll give him, even if it's just 2. Premierships are the by product of playing in great teams, not being a great player. Cam Mooney is a 3 time premiership player, by your logic is he deserving of the HOF too? Also won an AA blazer.
No, but being a person who doesn't even play does. Again i am all for Bruce being inducted. Massive fan.
Bartel won a brownlow and a norm smith. Mooney didn't.
Did Geelong hurt you as a child??
What are you, 10 years old? Jesus, champ, haven't heard "wit" like that since the last school drop-off...
Great you pointed out Fletcher's accolades. An actual B&F in a premiership year, no less. Yet, is still waiting for induction. Yet old Captain Ambassador gets in before him. Maybe he would be deserving in 5 or so year's time, when it's a slow year.
I'm not sure what Bruce has got to do with this. Being a god-tier commentator doesn't have much in common with being a very good footballer, which is what old Jimmy is.
by Eagles2014 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:56 pm
Corona Man wrote:It was a great night for SA football, last night. All very worthy inclusions in the HOF.
When they announced Leahy's name I had a thought that he was an old North player. It was interesting to hear of his pathway, back in those days. A very young league player for West, before moving to North. I am unsure if war years were involved, but I suspect so. I may have missed that part last night if it was mentioned. Then on to coach at Norwood. The other interesting piece to come out of Leahy's induction, was he lived at "Football House". I had never heard of this establishment. Does any one on here have any knowledge of this part of SA Footy history?
Sam Mitchell & James Bartel, no issue with them going straight in. Who from Hawthorn & Geelong will follow in time? FWIW - Hawthorn - Hodge, Franklin, then maybe a Lewis & Roughead. For Geelong - Ablett Jnr, Selwood, probably Hawkins, and by the time he is done J. Cameron too.
Bruce McAveny, richly deserved recognition. Can't help but think Gerard Whately has become the new Bruce.
Enjoyed Cory Enright's induction speech. I assume he is related to Bob "Blazer" Enright?
Michael Aish, probably the best balanced footballer I've seen.
Mark Williams, continues the family legacy. I'm no Port fan, but you've got to respect & admire the Williams families contribution to the game.
by Rik E Boy » Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:19 pm
wenchbarwer wrote:MW wrote:Beaten to B&F by Scarlett, Ablett, Selwood, Hawkins, Danger...
The only knock on him for me is he shouldnt be inducted so quickly, but deserves it nonetheless
And I reckon they all deserve to be in the HOF. There's no shame being in the Hall of Very Good, which I reckon that's where Jimmy sits.
For Bartel to go in before someone like Dustin Fletcher is embarrassing.
by Rik E Boy » Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:20 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:wenchbarwer wrote:Eagles2014 wrote:AFL Hall of Fame:
Sam Mitchell
Tom Leahy
Jimmy Bartel
Corey Enright
Michael Aish
Bruce McAvaney
Mark Williams
Graham Cornes be pretty pleased with himself as member of the selection panel, plenty of SA representative for once
Should be in the Hall of Very Good, not Hall of Fame. 1 Brownlow, 2 AA nods, one glorified best on ground medal. That's it for personal accolades. Career isn't any better than Cooney, Priddis or Woewodin, none of those are HOF worthy.
Surely this is a poor attempt at trolling??? This can't be serious.
by Dutchy » Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:09 pm
by Jim05 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:12 pm
Yeah, some real good tributes from the football community but nothing from the Crows yet which is disappointingDutchy wrote:RIP Matt
disappointing no acknowledgement by the Crows
by Dutchy » Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:32 pm
DOC wrote:They posted more than 6 hours ago.
by MW » Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:47 pm
Dutchy wrote:RIP Matt
disappointing no acknowledgement by the Crows
by daysofourlives » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:22 am
by amber_fluid » Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:49 am
daysofourlives wrote:Interesting statement from Wubbsy that a Brownlow is a higher accolade than a B&F. You do realise the Brownlow is voted on by those same umpires that umpired the 2016 Grand Final
I think its an interesting argument, i certainly rate a B&F in a premiership season higher than a Brownlow, Brownlows are purely for midfielders and voted for by the very people we all claim have no fricken idea. B&F's can be won by anyone in the club. I think Gibson won 2 at the Hawks.
When you go to the other end of the spectrum at a struggling club where there is only one star and he racks up B&F's thats clearly no where near a Brownlow.
I think i would lean to rating Fletchers 2000 season better than Bartels 2007 season
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