Ashes 2023

[Brodlach]

So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.

[The Bedge]

Honestly, if a bowler bowls a delivering, batsman ducks, then just call **** over straight up - then you don't need to worry about it.

I think the only way i'd change the rule would be similar to the running leg byes when no shot is offered.. if no shot is offered then you shouldn't be allowed to either run or be run out / stumped.

[whufc]

If the rules need to be changed it would be pretty simple.

For a batsman to be given out he needs to be gaining either a batting advantage or attempting a run. That would cover both batsmen running down the wickets to gain an advantage in their shot and being stumped and would cover the obvious run out dismissal.

So may as well remove stumping dismissals for batsmen whose back foot lifts or are dragged out.

It could be worded better maybe along the lines of a stumping is if the batsmen's feet leave the crease whilst playing a stroke etc. I think we can all agree there is a difference between a batsman who can't keep his balance whilst playing a shot and stay in his crease and what Bairstow was doing.

The wordsmiths of the world would work it out pretty quickly.

[Brodlach]

But he was batting out of his crease.

[whufc]

So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.

The difference would be is that at ball 6 the ball is deemed dead when the umpire makes a verbal call rather than when the fielding team decides the ball is dead. Had the umpire of called dead which as I've said his physical actions may have 'dummied' Bairstow into thinking he had called over.

I think the umpire was right in not calling dead as Carey was moving in one action but i also think if the umpire has not called over he should be positioned in his normal position especially if a run is not being taken.

It was all just a bit messy.....no rules broken. Carey was smart and did it well.

For once the batter was trying to move the game forward and start the next over.

[MW]

But he was batting out of his crease.

Bairstow? He wasnt. He was behind the crease, even marked guard, then walked out.

[whufc]

Murphy in or out!!! Obviously there will be a temptation if the wicket is green to play 4 pacemen + Green and use Head as the spinner. If we are honest Head in his small stints has looked to offer more than Green has with the ball.

How good is it that its back-to-back tests with all the heat and controversary still lingering.

[Booney]

:lol:

It's a piss take.

[The Bedge]

Really, simple rule needs to be brought in.. batsman must call "wicky leave"... and when running need to call "crease" to declare their safety and immunity.

[RB]

The pub test says it was not in the spirit

Do you mean because he wasn't attempting a run?

Yep, not gaining an advantage

Interesting point. But I think that would drastically reduce the number of stumpings.

The "spirit of cricket" concept is a very malleable one.

[MW]

The pub test says it was not in the spirit

Do you mean because he wasn't attempting a run?

Yep, not gaining an advantage

Interesting point. But I think that would drastically reduce the number of stumpings.

The "spirit of cricket" concept is a very malleable one.

For me there is a big differnce between throwing the stumps down if a batter is batting out of his crease, vs a batter ducking a bouncer, while in the crease, scratching guard then leaving it thinking the ball is dead.

[FlyingHigh]

So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.

The difference would be is that at ball 6 the ball is deemed dead when the umpire makes a verbal call rather than when the fielding team decides the ball is dead. Had the umpire of called dead which as I've said his physical actions may have 'dummied' Bairstow into thinking he had called over.

I think the umpire was right in not calling dead as Carey was moving in one action but i also think if the umpire has not called over he should be positioned in his normal position especially if a run is not being taken.

It was all just a bit messy.....no rules broken. Carey was smart and did it well.

For once the batter was trying to move the game forward and start the next over.

Perhaps the umpires could be a little smarter in not actually doing anything until they've looked around, made sure the ball is dead, and definitively called it. Many seem to hold up the palms of their hands.

Have been trying to find a view from behind, it all happened so quickly I'm not convinced Carey or Bairstow would have seen any definitive movement from the umpire.

[Lightning McQueen]

Really, simple rule needs to be brought in.. batsman must call "wicky leave"... and when running need to call "crease" to declare their safety and immunity.

Need to bring in automatic wicky too

[FlyingHigh]

Really, simple rule needs to be brought in.. batsman must call "wicky leave"... and when running need to call "crease" to declare their safety and immunity.

Need to bring in automatic wicky too

Poms will roar back into favoritism if they do

[amber_fluid]

Really, simple rule needs to be brought in.. batsman must call "wicky leave"... and when running need to call "crease" to declare their safety and immunity.

Need to bring in automatic wicky too

I was playing cricket recently with my kids and their friends and was I was struggling for a run and called crease.
Everyone looked at me like WTF
I had to explain what it meant.

They still looked at me like WTF

[Corona Man]

So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.

The difference would be is that at ball 6 the ball is deemed dead when the umpire makes a verbal call rather than when the fielding team decides the ball is dead. Had the umpire of called dead which as I've said his physical actions may have 'dummied' Bairstow into thinking he had called over.

I think the umpire was right in not calling dead as Carey was moving in one action but i also think if the umpire has not called over he should be positioned in his normal position especially if a run is not being taken.

It was all just a bit messy.....no rules broken. Carey was smart and did it well.

For once the batter was trying to move the game forward and start the next over.

Perhaps the umpires could be a little smarter in not actually doing anything until they've looked around, made sure the ball is dead, and definitively called it. Many seem to hold up the palms of their hands.

Have been trying to find a view from behind, it all happened so quickly I'm not convinced Carey or Bairstow would have seen any definitive movement from the umpire.

The one who should be looking around to make sure the ball is "dead" is the batsman. Simple.

[mots02]

:lol:

Toodle-Pip!

[Armchair expert]

Just catching up on what happened

Thats worse than a mankad

[whufc]

Just catching up on what happened

Thats worse than a mankad

Agree as far as it being more against the spirit of the game than a mankad.

Nothing wrong with a mankad...by leaving there crease early to get a run they are deliberately trying to get a scoring advantage.

[FlyingHigh]

So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.

The difference would be is that at ball 6 the ball is deemed dead when the umpire makes a verbal call rather than when the fielding team decides the ball is dead. Had the umpire of called dead which as I've said his physical actions may have 'dummied' Bairstow into thinking he had called over.

I think the umpire was right in not calling dead as Carey was moving in one action but i also think if the umpire has not called over he should be positioned in his normal position especially if a run is not being taken.

It was all just a bit messy.....no rules broken. Carey was smart and did it well.

For once the batter was trying to move the game forward and start the next over.

Perhaps the umpires could be a little smarter in not actually doing anything until they've looked around, made sure the ball is dead, and definitively called it. Many seem to hold up the palms of their hands.
It wouldn't and shouldn't make any change to this dismissal, but take out the area of what the umpire has or hasn't called or intimated.

Have been trying to find a view from behind, it all happened so quickly I'm not convinced Carey or Bairstow would have seen any definitive movement from the umpire.

The one who should be looking around to make sure the ball is "dead" is the batsman. Simple.

I mean having that little pause, making sure everything has stopped, call over, and then make any movements. Many seem to, but maybe this needs reinforcing and the umpire in this case got a bit casual.