Ashes 2023

[LaughingKookaburra]

It’s a nice change however for once it’s not Australia that’s been gobbing off all series. England have fired off shots before and throughout the entire series through on field chatter and passively through the media and in newspaper articles. Australia have been focused for the greater periods and it’s paying off. Keep the focus because England are showing they have the attention span of my 2 year old daughter and it’s cost them 2 Tests…

[FlyingHigh]

The other thing out of the game is just how important good spin bowling is to interesting Test cricket and why is must be nurtured.

[mots02]

Not bad from Titus.

"The English cricket team and its fans are having one of the most enjoyable meltdowns in sporting history following Jonny Bairstow forgetting he was in the middle of a cricket test at Lords and going for a little walk.

“We are deeply upset that a lawful action that we have tried many times ourselves has worked against us this time, which feels unfair,” said Professor of Ethics at Oxford University Stuart Broad.

“Given it’s out in black and white, we are now going to bang on about the Spirit of the Game, even though we ignore that too when it suits us.”

Marylebone Cricket Club member Simon Cuffleton-Smiggly-Wright said he was outraged the colonists had used better cricketing ability to defeat England.

“We didn’t conquer most of the globe by allowing the other side to fight fair,” said Cuffleton-Smiggly-Wright.

“And how are you meant to know all these rules? Who came up with them? They seem a bit all over the shop if you ask me. Need a good sorting out.”

Fellow member Geoffrey Beaumont said he would have confronted the Australian players physically in the members if years of inbreeding hadn’t made his bones like glass.

“It’s cheating, pure and simple. When you do something in the game that is within the laws, and the umpires rule it out, that’s cheating.”

“Still, it feels like again we should have won, so technically, we are 2-0 up.”

Australian fans have noted the England cricket team and its fans have successfully thrown their toys out of the cot and something Jonny Bairstow would struggle with."

[RoosterMan]

Didn’t know that, last time I say that then.

Me either.
I thought Paki was just shortened like Aussie.

It's not a racial slur here but it is in the UK.

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[stan]

So all these claims that the ball was dead and that the umpire had handed Greens hat back......

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[whufc]

So all these claims that the ball was dead and that the umpire had handed Greens hat back......

He hasn’t handed back but he had started to unclip it

If you watch the footage the main umpire wasn’t looking when the bails were knocked off and then stops, turns and looks up which is obviously when this still photo is taken

Carey is already at the stumps, this photo is at least a few seconds after the stumps are hit. Evidence being that he already has the hat off the clip they wear it on by this stage.

[mots02]

Amazing Test Match and win for the Aussies.

There's some things the that Poms should like about Bazball but the thing that could work against them is the amount of time that they keep the opposition bowlers in the field.

In a congested series of back to back tests, the Poms have already bowled 64.2 overs more than the Aussies - if that continues it will begin to takes its toll across successive tests - or they'll have to rotate bowlers hard, and i'm not sure they've got the bowling depth to back that option.

Added to the 64 from first test, the Poms have now bowled 108 more overs than the Aussies across just 2 test matches.

Batting fast has its downside.

[am Bays]

So all these claims that the ball was dead and that the umpire had handed Greens hat back......

He hasn’t handed back but he had started to unclip it

If you watch the footage the main umpire wasn’t looking when the bails were knocked off and then stops, turns and looks up which is obviously when this still photo is taken

Carey is already at the stumps, this photo is at least a few seconds after the stumps are hit. Evidence being that he already has the hat off the clip they wear it on by this stage.

So he's getting ready to call over but he hasn't called it.

It like footy it's not when the Siren sounds but when one of the umpires hear it.

I know myself when umpiring sh!te cricket as a player I'm holding out the hat as I call over more often than not. I'm waling to hold the hat whilst checking to make sure the ball is dead.

There's no set routine.

We can argue day and night until the next controversy about the complete fictional notion of the "Spirit of Cricket", what is indisputable is that this was a decision made within the laws.

[locky801]

Down 2 nil and they still keep talking the talk

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/ben-sto ... 2023-07-03

[whufc]

So all these claims that the ball was dead and that the umpire had handed Greens hat back......

He hasn’t handed back but he had started to unclip it

If you watch the footage the main umpire wasn’t looking when the bails were knocked off and then stops, turns and looks up which is obviously when this still photo is taken

Carey is already at the stumps, this photo is at least a few seconds after the stumps are hit. Evidence being that he already has the hat off the clip they wear it on by this stage.

So he's getting ready to call over but he hasn't called it.

It like footy it's not when the Siren sounds but when one of the umpires hear it.

I know myself when umpiring sh!te cricket as a player I'm holding out the hat as I call over more often than not. I'm waling to hold the hat whilst checking to make sure the ball is dead.

There's no set routine.

We can argue day and night until the next controversy about the complete fictional notion of the "Spirit of Cricket", what is indisputable is that this was a decision made within the laws.

100% it was within the rules and a fair run out.

What I’m saying is when the rules were written I don’t believe the intent was so that keepers could stump batsmen who had taken two strides forward to meet the other batsmen because they thought it was the end of the over.

I don’t have a problem with what Carey did but also don’t think as cricket fans we really want to see batsmen dismissed in that manor when it’s clear there was some confusion and no deliberate attempt to get an advantage.

Given the circumstances the day before I can understand why the Aussies didn’t recall him. What we don’t want to see though is keepers having regular pins trying to catch a batsmen a split second out.

[am Bays]

Given the circumstances the day before I can understand why the Aussies didn’t recall him. What we don’t want to see though is keepers having regular pins trying to catch a batsmen a split second out.

As a sh!tty wicket keeper, ah yes we do if a batsman is not staying in his crease until over has been called.

but it's done with risk as a it may lead to a bye if I miss or it deflects aw away from a fielder.

What's the difference between me coming up to the stumps to keep a batsman in his crease and to increase chances of an LB vs throwing a ball at the stumps to try and get rid of a lazy batsman?

The batsman has every right to take liberties but I've got the right to keep them honest.

[Keefy]

This from one of the great antagonists of the game

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[daysofourlives]

Im not sure that the call of over actually stops the dismissal anyway.
I believe the McCallum/Collingwood stumping the umpire had called over. The bowlers end umpire was clearly not aware that play was continuing, he couldve easily had called over sometime between the ball leaving Careys hands and it hitting the stumps.

How many of you have had to stand at Square leg umpiring when some idiot keeper in park cricket thinks he can get a stumping every 3rd ball? Luckily most of the time they arent skilled enough to hit the stumps but f me, its bloody annoying if they do. Everyone gets pissed at the keeper for holding up play but that one time he pulls it off, its the highlight of his sad life

[whufc]

Given the circumstances the day before I can understand why the Aussies didn’t recall him. What we don’t want to see though is keepers having regular pins trying to catch a batsmen a split second out.

As a sh!tty wicket keeper, ah yes we do if a batsman is not staying in his crease until over has been called.

but it's done with risk as a it may lead to a bye if I miss or it deflects aw away from a fielder.

What's the difference between me coming up to the stumps to keep a batsman in his crease and to increase chances of an LB vs throwing a ball at the stumps to try and get rid of a lazy batsman?

The batsman has every right to take liberties but I've got the right to keep them honest.

Come on, we don’t want to be watching reviews where the third umpires are trying to line up the Audio of an ump saying over and where a batters foot is.

[FlyingHigh]

Im not sure that the call of over actually stops the dismissal anyway.
I believe the McCallum/Collingwood stumping the umpire had called over. The bowlers end umpire was clearly not aware that play was continuing, he couldve easily had called over sometime between the ball leaving Careys hands and it hitting the stumps.

Then it was pretty poor umpiring to not be aware because Carey threw it straight away.
But Bairstow walked out knowing it was the end of the over, not based on the umpires call.

Back in the '80s we were in a run chase against NZ at the SCG and throw came in, hit the batsman's bat as he was striding to make his ground and went off to the boundary (much like in the last World Cup). The umpire called over before it reached the boundary, and so the four wasn't awarded. But in a split-second like Bairstow's, it would have pretty uncanny that it was called in that time

[whufc]

On a side note to this….we all agree the game should be sped up for more overs.

Can we stop the fielders throwing the ball to the keeper after they field it every time.

Not so bad when the pacemen are on as they are still going back to their mark but when the spinners were on they end up at there mark waiting for the ball to get back to them coz they’re throwing it the keeper 9/10 times

All we need to do is save 10 seconds an over….1 and a bit seconds a ball and we will save a few overs worth of time over the course of the day.

[am Bays]

On a side note to this….we all agree the game should be sped up for more overs.

Can we stop the fielders throwing the ball to the keeper after they field it every time.

Not so bad when the pacemen are on as they are still going back to their mark but when the spinners were on they end up at there mark waiting for the ball to get back to them coz they’re throwing it the keeper 9/10 times

All we need to do is save 10 seconds an over….1 and a bit seconds a ball and we will save a few overs worth of time over the course of the day.

Agree, no glove changes apart from scheduled drinks breaks and wickets falling

strict 5 mins for drinks - no extended interviews Hi Fox cricket.

Apart from hits to the helmet, if medical assessment is needed , three minutes tops, if you need longer you need to retire hurt.

[RoosterMan]

England team show themselves to be a pack of hypocritical whingers

What a pack of sanctimonious sore losers. The protesting Poms can have a two finger salute – which could also double as the series score, writes Dean Ritchie.

England team show themselves to be a pack of hypocritical whingers

What a pack of sanctimonious sore losers. The protesting Poms can have a two finger salute – which could also double as the series score, writes Dean Ritchie.

Dean Ritchie

July 3, 2023 - 5:08PM

What a pack of sanctimonious, miserable, sore losers.

England’s cry-baby reaction to a fair dismissal in the Lord’s cricket Test has shown their national cricket team to be hypocritical, pompous whingers.

Alex Carey’s stumping of a vague Jonny Bairstow was legal, moral and, ultimately, a match-winner.

The protesting Poms can have a two finger salute – which could also double as the series score. That’s right, it’s two-nil.

Remember Stuart Broad clearly edging an Ashton Agar delivery to first slip at Trent Bridge in 2013 and refusing to walk?

Remember Broad laughing and celebrating when England ran out New Zealand’s Colin de Grandhomme, who walked out of his crease, last year?

Remember on day three when Bairstow, a wicketkeeper, attempted to stump Marnus Labuschagne in exactly the same manner?

And remember England’s head coach, the already under-pressure Brendon McCullum, throwing down the stumps of a batsmen unaware the ball hadn’t yet been declared dead? Oh, and he did that three times in 2005, 2006 and 2009.

England’s posturing and pretence smacks of two-faced double standards. Carey’s actions were quick-thinking, instinctive and well within the perimeters of cricket’s rules.

Brendon McCullum threw the stumps down multiple times during his career as a wicketkeeper, but now it’s not in the spirit of the game?

Did you hear Australian players moan and sob when Mitchell Starc was denied a fair catch in the outfield on day four?

As one journalist wrote: “Turns out the ‘spirit of cricket’ only applies when England says so.”

This non-event was concocted by a team under excruciating pressure for employing a failing new attacking style of play.

Their aggressive batting style – nicknamed Bazball after coach McCallum – is floundering.

And those Lord’s members who want to be known as the aristocratic elite have shown themselves to be mere commoners like the rest of us.

Imagine the silver spoon Long Room faithful, wearing suits and ties, actually taunting, jostling and abusing opposition players? Oh how utterly ashamed they must feel from their distinguished and affluent abodes in Mayfair and Knightsbridge.

And it’s strange how the seemingly all white pavilion appeared to target Usman Khawaja, Australia’s Muslim opening batsman.

The entire episode was shameful and mean-spirited. Lord’s once regal image now belongs in a hearse.

Those pretentious snobs are no better than the Aussie scallywags that once sat on the roughhouse SCG Hill and Bay 13 in Melbourne.

Good Lord, Lord’s.

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