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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:48 pm

Sorry but I dont want to sound like a dick but really would you expect anything different.

I mean they know how bad it would make them look so why do it? Thats what you do when your in power. A bit union witch hunts and other stuff.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby bennymacca » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:51 pm

stan wrote:Sorry but I dont want to sound like a dick but really would you expect anything different.

I mean they know how bad it would make them look so why do it? Thats what you do when your in power. A bit union witch hunts and other stuff.


I would expect them to get on with governing instead of trying to silence the media.

Especially when they thought it was all above board when Newscorp smashed Labor during their terms in government to a much greater degree.

Calling it a Jihad is just plain idiocy
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:55 pm

They are currently a party completely bereft of good policy. All they have left is fear, stunts and slogans.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Gozu » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:56 pm

bennymacca wrote:Calling it a Jihad is just plain idiocy


Using language like that makes right-wingers go all tingly down low in their love of all things war, just playing to their base.

Dutton the imbecile would be flat out trying to work out how to tie his shoelaces.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby tigerpie » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:50 am

Jihad....isn't it hysterically funny the Polly speak these male appendages come out with.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:09 am

Operation make previous government look bad needs an extension. Although thats not overly hard to do as they were good at it on their own but seriously a some point he government needs tk start working on the problems at hand rather that his bullshit.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:15 am

The adults are in charge of the economy now.

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby gossipgirl » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:19 pm

Q. wrote:The adults are in charge of the economy now.

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its time for the Minions to take charge :D
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby bulldogproud2 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:18 pm

It is a total furphy that the LNP has a good record re low spending/low taxing. These articles may help paint the correct picture:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/d ... nt/6308704

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-14/k ... er/4427680

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:24 pm

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/po ... tml?stb=fb

Well, this was probably coming for a while.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby bennymacca » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:35 pm

im glad there is finally some international attention to this cause, it may force us into doing something about it
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Mr Beefy » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:46 pm

stan wrote:http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-york-times-attacks-prime-minister-tony-abbott-over-stop-the-boats-policy-20150903-gjer14.html?stb=fb

Well, this was probably coming for a while.

But a spokesman for Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said Australia "has a lot to be proud of", citing a dramatic reduction in the numbers of children in detention and an end to reported deaths at sea of asylum seekers headed to Australia.

What does that mean, they just stopped reporting them?
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:48 pm

bennymacca wrote:im glad there is finally some international attention to this cause, it may force us into doing something about it

The article did state that the policies are working but then did raise a few good points.

My issue is that tbe "stop the boats" is been a political war front when really its not about vote winning, yet of course its tunred into one.

But the point is there too that if you can stop people getting in the water then yes his will save lives. However if your a hurd fleeing the violence in Syria then its probably safer on the water than on the ground and that needs to be taken into account.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby bennymacca » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:59 pm

stan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:im glad there is finally some international attention to this cause, it may force us into doing something about it

The article did state that the policies are working but then did raise a few good points.

My issue is that tbe "stop the boats" is been a political war front when really its not about vote winning, yet of course its tunred into one.

But the point is there too that if you can stop people getting in the water then yes his will save lives. However if your a hurd fleeing the violence in Syria then its probably safer on the water than on the ground and that needs to be taken into account.


exactly. its not a deterrent at all.

And even in intermediary countries the legal rights of refugees are minimal. The Go back to where you came from show did a great job at explaining that.

To say it is about saving lives is also a slight misnomer i think. it is about saving lives, AND making sure those people done come here.

If it was purely about saving lives we sould spend those billions we spend on border protection on bringing them directly from indonesia ourselves (which is basically what i think we should do)
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:25 pm

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:22 pm


Yeah we never saw it coming.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:23 pm

It's a good thing he has no influence on the media agenda then.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby bulldogproud2 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:26 pm

stan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:im glad there is finally some international attention to this cause, it may force us into doing something about it

The article did state that the policies are working but then did raise a few good points.

My issue is that tbe "stop the boats" is been a political war front when really its not about vote winning, yet of course its tunred into one.

But the point is there too that if you can stop people getting in the water then yes his will save lives. However if your a hurd fleeing the violence in Syria then its probably safer on the water than on the ground and that needs to be taken into account.


As many have always known, turning back the boats results in more deaths at sea, not less. It is a push factor, not a pull factor, that results in asylum seekers coming by sea. The wars and conflicts throughout the world are what has led to the huge amount of asylum seekers and internally displaced people throughout the world. 'Turning back' the boats is a misnomer as it simply redirects asylum seekers to other, more risky pathways.

I found it very ironic when Tony Abbott commented that it was the fault of people smugglers that the three year old Syrian boy died and that this death confirmed the wisdom of his policy. After all, he did not travel on a boat arranged by people smugglers - they came on their own boat, independent of any people smugglers.

As Bennymacca commented, the right way to try to help asylum seekers is to organise the processing of them in Indonesia and Malaysia, then enabling safe passage to various countries of the region. This should be done according to the capacity of the country to care for them.

I also wish that Tony Abbott could see the hypocrisy in wanting Australia to be involved in bombing Syria, leading to more deaths and/or people fleeing and seeking asylum... and not allowing any to come to Australia.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby shoe boy » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:40 am

So Tony ,here we go again just follow the US into another mess like Iraq , Afganistan and it goes.

Who are we to bomb in Syria?? 12000klm from home !!!!
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:44 pm

shoe boy wrote:So Tony ,here we go again just follow the US into another mess like Iraq , Afganistan and it goes.

Who are we to bomb in Syria?? 12000klm from home !!!!

What is the end game?

Syria is such as mess.
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