csbowes wrote:You finally get it cracka...
The AFL is a self centred competition... it cares little for football.
You still don't get it. I never said the AFL wasn't a self centred competition. My point was the hypocrisy of some posters on here.
by cracka » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:53 am
csbowes wrote:You finally get it cracka...
The AFL is a self centred competition... it cares little for football.
by bennymacca » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:29 pm
by dedja » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:01 pm
by the joker » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:30 pm
do you preach what you writebennymacca wrote:the SANFL and football in general would be much better if every idiot on this forum stopped supporting football
by csbowes » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:09 pm
bennymacca wrote:the SANFL and football in general would be much better if every idiot on this forum stopped supporting football
by therisingblues » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:34 pm
cracka wrote:Why do so many posters on here have a go at the crows for having a reserves side in the SANFL when the AFL club they support (some very passionately) do the exact same thing with the VFL. Are they on the VFL forum saying that Hawthorn, Essendon, Collingwood etc should not be in the VFL & its an absolute disgrace that they are. Hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind.
by bennymacca » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:49 pm
csbowes wrote:bennymacca wrote:the SANFL and football in general would be much better if every idiot on this forum stopped supporting football
It's that type of thinking that gets you on club boards so it seems... you'd fit right in.
by csbowes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:30 am
bennymacca wrote:csbowes wrote:bennymacca wrote:the SANFL and football in general would be much better if every idiot on this forum stopped supporting football
It's that type of thinking that gets you on club boards so it seems... you'd fit right in.
Just seems like you lads are so negative about everything. When it was YOUR clubs and YOUR football commission that allowed it all to happen. And I wonder how many of you voices your concerns by speaking to your clubs. Some of you might have but I'm sore most didn't
by therisingblues » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:58 am
bennymacca wrote:csbowes wrote:bennymacca wrote:the SANFL and football in general would be much better if every idiot on this forum stopped supporting football
It's that type of thinking that gets you on club boards so it seems... you'd fit right in.
Just seems like you lads are so negative about everything. When it was YOUR clubs and YOUR football commission that allowed it all to happen. And I wonder how many of you voices your concerns by speaking to your clubs. Some of you might have but I'm sore most didn't
by therisingblues » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:47 am
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:49 am
therisingblues wrote:cracka wrote:Why do so many posters on here have a go at the crows for having a reserves side in the SANFL when the AFL club they support (some very passionately) do the exact same thing with the VFL. Are they on the VFL forum saying that Hawthorn, Essendon, Collingwood etc should not be in the VFL & its an absolute disgrace that they are. Hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind.
What? Hypocrisy for not passionately opposing the invasion of a league we have no passion for?
Did Essendon, Collingwood etc take it upon themselves to threaten the VFA if they didn't comply?
Was the VFA a proudly independent system which vehemently opposed player poachings, silly rule changes and the stupid rebadging of Aussie Rules Footy as AFL?
You're going to have to help me out here, I don't know the answer to half the questions I've put here and still have in my head about the VFA. so how can I get passionate about it? For all I know the AFL has helped them or the followers are happy about the invasion. I really don't know but I'm guessing they aren't. On the same hand, did they readily agree to it or did they resist as we did?
Didn't all this shit happen before we had this forum? Maybe if it happened now we'd know a bit more about it and the topic would be a little bit more current?
Fill me in on the situation please.
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:00 am
therisingblues wrote:bennymacca wrote:Just seems like you lads are so negative about everything. When it was YOUR clubs and YOUR football commission that allowed it all to happen. And I wonder how many of you voices your concerns by speaking to your clubs. Some of you might have but I'm sore most didn't
But in the end it was a sort of die on your feet or live on your knees type situation. The Crows were threatening everything they had access to in order to punish the league if it didn't roll over and play dead. What fat lot of good would it do saying that to my club?
Having said that, my attitude is I'm willing to see if it turns out for the best and I'm hoping I was an overreacting fool, but until the future reveals itself I'm left with this situation of the Crows having held a gun to the SANFL's head in order to get their way. I don't think any club anywhere in Australia has done the same.
BTW, correct me if I'm wrong with that Cracker.
So I can no longer identify with that bunch of assholes, they no longer represent me.
by daysofourlives » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:10 am
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:20 am
daysofourlives wrote:Didnt the VFL become the AFL?
Then the Victorian clubs did deals with VFA clubs to align with them individually. The crows are welcome to do a deal with any SAAFL club that is prepared to sell their soul.
Totally different situations and it is not hypocrisy at all
by beenreal » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:25 am
cracka wrote:puppet arms wrote:not sure if its hypocrisy. People on here have the SANFL as our concern, mostly, not the VFL. I'm a Carlton man and saddened by how we've treated Preston-Northern Bullants-Northern Blues-Carlton in the VFL. My passion doesn't lie there though. My main concern is with the competition that I enjoy going to every week and the effect on Glenelg FC. Fair to say the locally based AFL franchises have royally screwed the over - with no small help from our president.
I imagine most in this forum would have similar views.
You're right about people on here not caring about the VFL but there are some on here who are very passionate about their AFL side who all have a reserves sides in the VFL doing exactly what the crows & power are doing. That's where its hypocritical from some posters on here as they wont say anything bad about their AFL club. As long as they acknowledge (like you have) that their AFL side is just as bad as the crows & power then its not hypocrisy.
Personally I would like to see the crows & powers reserves sides playing the other AFL reserves sides. I emailed all the non Victorian AFL teams to see if they could organise a reserves comp between themselves & got only 1 reply from Port.
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:21 am
cracka wrote:therisingblues wrote:bennymacca wrote:Just seems like you lads are so negative about everything. When it was YOUR clubs and YOUR football commission that allowed it all to happen. And I wonder how many of you voices your concerns by speaking to your clubs. Some of you might have but I'm sore most didn't
But in the end it was a sort of die on your feet or live on your knees type situation. The Crows were threatening everything they had access to in order to punish the league if it didn't roll over and play dead. What fat lot of good would it do saying that to my club?
Having said that, my attitude is I'm willing to see if it turns out for the best and I'm hoping I was an overreacting fool, but until the future reveals itself I'm left with this situation of the Crows having held a gun to the SANFL's head in order to get their way. I don't think any club anywhere in Australia has done the same.
BTW, correct me if I'm wrong with that Cracker.
So I can no longer identify with that bunch of assholes, they no longer represent me.
Exactly what did the crows threaten, playing there reserves somewhere else, that's what most of you wanted so blame your clubs who voted yes for that, not the crows.
C'mon crows supporters, help me out here.
by RB » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:29 pm
bennymacca wrote:Just seems like you lads are so negative about everything.
bennymacca wrote:And I wonder how many of you voices your concerns by speaking to your clubs.
by therisingblues » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:32 pm
cracka wrote:therisingblues wrote:cracka wrote:Why do so many posters on here have a go at the crows for having a reserves side in the SANFL when the AFL club they support (some very passionately) do the exact same thing with the VFL. Are they on the VFL forum saying that Hawthorn, Essendon, Collingwood etc should not be in the VFL & its an absolute disgrace that they are. Hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind.
What? Hypocrisy for not passionately opposing the invasion of a league we have no passion for?
Did Essendon, Collingwood etc take it upon themselves to threaten the VFA if they didn't comply?
Was the VFA a proudly independent system which vehemently opposed player poachings, silly rule changes and the stupid rebadging of Aussie Rules Footy as AFL?
You're going to have to help me out here, I don't know the answer to half the questions I've put here and still have in my head about the VFA. so how can I get passionate about it? For all I know the AFL has helped them or the followers are happy about the invasion. I really don't know but I'm guessing they aren't. On the same hand, did they readily agree to it or did they resist as we did?
Didn't all this shit happen before we had this forum? Maybe if it happened now we'd know a bit more about it and the topic would be a little bit more current?
Fill me in on the situation please.
Yes hypocrisy. Its not the league I'm talking about, its the club (Carlton in your case) doing the exact same as the crows & power & you support them for it, but its not ok for the crows & power to do it.
I don't know the answer to half the questions you put here either, they are irrelevant to my point anyway.
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:03 pm
therisingblues wrote:I know very little about the now VFL, but I have a recollection of the AFL's entry to that league being an agreed upon deal. this cannot compare with the current situation of the SANFL's long resistance to the AFL. Clearly, we didn't want their second string sides, I cannot cmoment with any level of assurance about the VFL situation.
Question for you: exactly when, in your opinion, did the VFA go from being the second tiered Victorian state league, to the number 1 Victorian state league? Was it when South Melbourne went to Sydney? When the Eagles and Bears joined? Or was it the moment the VFL pushed it's reserves into the VFA and everyone changed names?
BTW, I became a born again Carlton fan after the Crows succeed in their muscle drive into the SANFL. I followed Carlton until the moment the VFL invaded the SANFL, now the Crows have committed the same sin, I cannot follow them any longer.
The AFL is nowhere near as important for me as the SANFL, I wouldn't swap clubs otherwise.
by daysofourlives » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:31 pm
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