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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby kickinit » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:41 pm

SimonH wrote:If you reckon some of the Crows and Pahhhhhr SANFL league players in 2014 won't be up to standard, imagine how the PAFC SANFL reserves (Pahhhhhr 3rd tier) side is going to fare beyond 2015 once there are no juniors to feed it. It'll be such an embarrassment, there are only 3 possibilities:
a) They'll ditch the whole thing as soon as they can draft a press release outlining how their deep and abiding connection to the Port Adelaide area will actually be strengthened by removing the 'academy team' ('Unanimous' Trigg will be able to provide some good advice on doublespeak)
b) They'll enter into some arrangement with an ammos club, or some club that approaches SANFL reserves standard, to just grab their players at will (there's more dignity in that, than having a 'come and try your hand at playing for a real AFL club!' open training each week)
c) The SA Football Commission will change the rules to make it much cheaper, easier and more efficient for the Pahhhhhr to take SANFL clubs' registered players away to meet their own top-up needs; by force, if need be.


Port Adelaide MAGPIES reserve will have the best 18 years old's that didn't get drafted to the AFL. Do you really think that a 18 year old that still wants to have a crack at AFL will want to play for norwood over Port. Having access to everything at a AFL club versus only having access to everything at a SANFL club.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:45 pm

Oh my god. Things are getting dumber.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby RB » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:19 pm

bennymacca wrote:to you it might not be more important, and thats fair enough, but to the game of football as a whole, and to a vast majority of football fans in this state, it is clearly more important.

Being able to take over the SANFL does or at least should not follow from the fact that the AFL is more popular. Would the fact that the Premier League is bigger, or 'more important' than the Championship mean that Manchester United should field a reserves team in the championship?
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby whufc » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:46 pm

RB wrote:
bennymacca wrote:to you it might not be more important, and thats fair enough, but to the game of football as a whole, and to a vast majority of football fans in this state, it is clearly more important.

Being able to take over the SANFL does or at least should not follow from the fact that the AFL is more popular. Would the fact that the Premier League is bigger, or 'more important' than the Championship mean that Manchester United should field a reserves team in the championship?


Exactly imagine the reaction if man united even suggested, old Trafford would be burnt down by rival fans literally
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby RB » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:53 pm

whufc wrote:Exactly imagine the reaction if man united even suggested, old Trafford would be burnt down by rival fans literally

Yeah, they're more hardcore about this sort of stuff over there.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:58 pm

RB wrote:
bennymacca wrote:to you it might not be more important, and thats fair enough, but to the game of football as a whole, and to a vast majority of football fans in this state, it is clearly more important.

Being able to take over the SANFL does or at least should not follow from the fact that the AFL is more popular. Would the fact that the Premier League is bigger, or 'more important' than the Championship mean that Manchester United should field a reserves team in the championship?

The way Moyes has got us playing our main side will be playing in the Championship next year :lol:
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby RB » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:00 pm

Lol.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby Mic » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:47 pm

RB wrote:
whufc wrote:Exactly imagine the reaction if man united even suggested, old Trafford would be burnt down by rival fans literally

Yeah, they're more hardcore about this sort of stuff over there.


Maybe we should have borrowed some of them in August last year!
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby bennymacca » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:48 pm

whufc wrote:
RB wrote:
bennymacca wrote:to you it might not be more important, and thats fair enough, but to the game of football as a whole, and to a vast majority of football fans in this state, it is clearly more important.

Being able to take over the SANFL does or at least should not follow from the fact that the AFL is more popular. Would the fact that the Premier League is bigger, or 'more important' than the Championship mean that Manchester United should field a reserves team in the championship?


Exactly imagine the reaction if man united even suggested, old Trafford would be burnt down by rival fans literally


dont get me started on the EPL, if there was ever a league that lacked integrity :D
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:25 pm

bennymacca wrote:
whufc wrote:
RB wrote:
bennymacca wrote:to you it might not be more important, and thats fair enough, but to the game of football as a whole, and to a vast majority of football fans in this state, it is clearly more important.

Being able to take over the SANFL does or at least should not follow from the fact that the AFL is more popular. Would the fact that the Premier League is bigger, or 'more important' than the Championship mean that Manchester United should field a reserves team in the championship?


Exactly imagine the reaction if man united even suggested, old Trafford would be burnt down by rival fans literally


dont get me started on the EPL, if there was ever a league that lacked integrity :D

At least they have an even draw and dont have a riduculous draft system where the head honchos decide who gets what picks
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby Wedgie » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:27 pm

Who's going ro be the first team to beat them? A few loyalists coming out to Prospect on the first Sunday of the season to cheer for the SANFL side?
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby Mic » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:35 pm

Wedgie wrote:Who's going ro be the first team to beat them? A few loyalists coming out to Prospect on the first Sunday of the season to cheer for the SANFL side?


Who will our board be cheering for? :-?
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby SimonH » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:00 am

kickinit wrote:Port Adelaide MAGPIES reserve will have the best 18 years old's that didn't get drafted to the AFL. Do you really think that a 18 year old that still wants to have a crack at AFL will want to play for norwood over Port. Having access to everything at a AFL club versus only having access to everything at a SANFL club.
Sorry, how will they have access to "everything at a AFL club" if they're playing for the "Port Adelaide MAGPIES reserve[s]"?

Anyway, let's go through it all very slowly now:
1. The 18yo kid who's played Norwood from U/16s and played U/18s last year, is good. Missed getting drafted, and maybe not SANFL league good yet, but certainly reserves good, and could be good enough to push for league selection depending on performances in the 2nds.
2. Norwood obviously don't want to let him go.
3. So the only way he ends up at the Magpies is if he walks, and if Port Adelaide (on the current system) pay a transfer fee.
4. So, will he walk?
5. On the plus side, he gets a lot of talk about playing at an AFL club, having access to an AFL club's facilities, joining an 'academy' and playing for an 'academy team' ('cos that sounds so much more prestigious than joining a reserves squad and playing reserves), and living the dream of having a crack at AFL.
6. On the minus side:
• He will be training and playing with the 3rd tier group at the PAFC, and that fact will effectively be locked in for the whole year; he will be with the 2nd tier group at Norwood, and can instantly be promoted to the top tier if performances warrant it
• He is (barring an improbable run of injuries to the AFL list and the SANFL top-up list) guaranteed not to get a SANFL league game at PAFC. There are about 37 players guaranteed a SANFL league game before him (44 on AFL list + 15 league top-up - 22 AFL players picked each week). That's a massive whack of injuries required before he's even a theoretical chance; whereas Norwood can pick him for his SANFL league debut the minute he earns his spot
• Playing SANFL reserves won't get him on an AFL list. For someone who's already been passed over once, playing well at SANFL reserves level isn't going to impress AFL talent scouts. Every mature-aged draftee from SA I can think of, got the nod by playing stand-out footy at SANFL league level
• He is (if PAFC follow the rules) prohibited from being paid more than $100 per game by the PAFC because he's stuck in the SANFL reserves all year, whereas at Norwood if he earns a league debut, then within the SANFL salary cap Norwood can pay him whatever they like
• He has to leave behind his mates and club he's grown up with, which is a greater-than-usual pull if your home club is successful and the club you're thinking of transferring to, isn't
• The talk of 'if you wanna live the dream of playing AFL, your chances are better if you come to an AFL club' is an obvious crock. If they're interested in persuading him to stay, Norwood can point out to him: "Look at the number of players drafted and rookied from Norwood over the last 5 years, as compared with those wearing a prison bar guernsey."

There may well be the odd decent 18yo who requests to transfer over to Port Adelaide for a range of reasons, including that they buy the hype—in addition to the ex-U/18 castoffs who will make up the bulk of the 'academy'. People do irrational things all of the time, young people even more so.

But good luck with the claim that "the best 18 year olds that didn't get drafted to the AFL" will be lining up en masse to leave behind their SANFL club and train with the 3rd tier group at a bones-of-its-arse AFL club, in order to grasp the prize of not playing SANFL league footy and therefore not attracting the interest of AFL talent scouts.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby beenreal » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:43 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:geelong in a VFL final this year took a player out of the match at half time to prevent him from injury for the following week in the league.

that's in the VFL finals

you can see it happening here if the crows and or port are fortunate enough to be playing finals in both comps that the same thing will happen


That player was coming back from injury, Geelong were winning the Prelim quite comfortably, so it could be argued they were saving him to play in the VFL Grand Final. Which he did.

Interesting that the Geelong AFL side delayed their Mad Monday until their VFL side was finished. So they could celebrate the season as a club.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby Mr Beefy » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:03 am

beenreal wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:geelong in a VFL final this year took a player out of the match at half time to prevent him from injury for the following week in the league.

that's in the VFL finals

you can see it happening here if the crows and or port are fortunate enough to be playing finals in both comps that the same thing will happen


That player was coming back from injury, Geelong were winning the Prelim quite comfortably, so it could be argued they were saving him to play in the VFL Grand Final. Which he did.

Interesting that the Geelong AFL side delayed their Mad Monday until their VFL side was finished. So they could celebrate the season as a club.

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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby RB » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:06 am

Quality post Simon.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby Wedgie » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:09 am

beenreal wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Interesting that the Geelong AFL side delayed their Mad Monday until their VFL side was finished. So they could celebrate the season as a club.

They moved it from the Monday to the Wednesday because of the Brownlow, they always do if knocked out of the Prelim , both sides finished on the same weekend!
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby DOC » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:15 am

Damn facts ruining another story
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby beenreal » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:18 am

SimonH wrote:
beenreal wrote:First of all, the PAFC haven't "adopted" the 2015 model, they've had it forced upon them. But in 2015 they'll still have a club structure consisting of an AFL side, an SANFL League side, an SANFL Reserves side and a junior academy to enhance the development of young footballers.
1. You sign up or you don't sign up. PAFC aggressively drove the 'we want an AFL seconds team in the SANFL' agenda, signed on the dotted line pretty much instantly once terms were set out, and then some PAFC people want to claim 'oh, but we only agreed to the rules of an AFL seconds team because we had a gun to our heads'!? Talk about trying to have it both ways.

2. You'll be an AFL franchise invading a comp that you don't belong to. There will be no continuous pathway for talented young Port supporters to play for Port from juniors. Quite the opposite—it'll be prohibited. The 'junior academy' is window-dressing nonsense. The AFL (outside of the 'development states' NSW and Qld) bans AFL clubs from entering into direct coaching arrangements with U/18 players. It's treated as draft tampering. The quality U/18 players will be attached to one of the continuing 8 SANFL clubs anyway. So, the Port 'academy' will be limited to players over 18, who've been overlooked at the AFL draft and rookie draft, and if they were good enough to play U/18 SANFL comp in the first place, who have been released or transferred from their SANFL club (e.g. because they're not good enough to make that team's SANFL reserves side). Having no juniors, the Power will busily go around filling up its SANFL reserves squad with the cast-offs from the superannuated U/18s of real SANFL clubs, plus the odd country over-18 who's never played in the city. The 'junior academy', and the 'academy team' are a fancy way of saying that you will train your SANFL reserves squad. Whoop-de-do.


I'm sure there'll be plenty of backslapping and plaudits from your fellow sycophants Simon, so you just keep dribbling on your keyboard. 8-}

Fact is, you're already proven wrong. The PAFC is already coaching U18s and Juniors with the blessing of the AFL.
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Re: Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

Postby tigerpie » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:32 pm

bennymacca wrote:
RB wrote:
valleys07 wrote:I'm not sure any supporter really thinks its a "right", but more the case of, if the AFL aren't willing to incept a reserves competition, then what are the alternatives.

Of course. But the AFL clubs, in entering the SANFL, are putting themselves before the integrity of the competition. The fact that they would, in the absence of an independent AFL reserves competition, see whatever suits them best as an alternative, regardless of what it will do to the league, is why many SANFL fans feel like this has been forced on them, against their will by the AFL clubs, notwithstanding the weakness of six of the league directors.


so they should, the AFL is more important than the SANFL.

sooner you guys let go, the better

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