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Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Stumps » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:03 am

Is it just me or is Australia's Bowling attack at a real cross roads at the moment and getting exposed alot more often than what we'd like.

For me there are two pretty big concerns being
1- People unable to consistently swing the new ball for more than a few balls.
In the past we always had a bloke like bracken, fleming, reiffel coming in into the breeze/at the other end to our gun (mcgrath, merv, gillespie) and made a very good opening combo asking different questions of the batsmen. At the moment we have probably Mckay and Coulter nile as our best opening attack (johnson for mine has done his best work in ODI's bowling first change when it's not swinging and he angles them across the rightys) For me this is too similar espescially on decent bouncy pitches. McKay is a gun on pitches like Adelaide and the SCG and will do well at the 20/20 world cup but isn't worth a pinch on a GABBA or WACA or MCG as has been shown in this years big bash and ODI's. From there is Hazelwood who looks like a bowling machine, as much as I like siddle reckon he is the same in ODIs, faulkner who seems to go the journey everytime I watch him bowl, Cutting who is a batting allrounder these days.

2- Death Bowling- the ability to bowl yorkers I had a discussion on another forum, and noone still can convince me we have one bowler in the country (apart from brett Lee) who can consistently shut out a game with yorkers. I also still believe yorkers 5 inches outside off is the ball of choice to keep the runs down at the death but noone seems to be able to/try to do it. Last night again was a case in point..hazelwood was atleast trying to bowl them full but couldnt execute to Bopara (until the last ball which was a perfect yorker and he only got 1) and Dan Christian was embarrassed trying what he thought were tricky of cutters that kept going out the park..terrible. They nearly lost it needing 20 an over!

Can someone give me a name or two that can do one or both of the above jobs?

I'm quite happy with the spin options FWIW. Doherty a smart bowler and maxwell a lot like a dave hussey with his side spin difficult to get under.

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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:05 pm

Just won ODI series 4-1. Yep, time for concern.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:07 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Just won ODI series 4-1. Yep, time for concern.

Against the Poms
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Ron Burgundy » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:27 pm

Bullshit.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Squids » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:37 pm

Kiwis should be favourites for mine.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:00 pm

Ron Burgundy wrote:Bullshit.

Really?
The Poms are very ordinary yet with a bit of luck could have won the series 3-2.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby The Dark Knight » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:56 pm

Squids wrote:Kiwis should be favourites for mine.

I expect them to do well and I'm always worried when we come up against them, they love playing against us. The Kiwis are ODI guns compared to being Test cricket battlers, crazy how much they improve when they switch to the coloured clothing.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Stumps » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:46 am

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Just won ODI series 4-1. Yep, time for concern.



You have totally missed my point.
Yes, we won the series but did we bowl well.>.. No we bowled very poorly as a unit IMO. It's just half the pommy batsmen are mentally shot after a long tour and want to go home. I think our attack needs some serious improvement/line up changes otherwise I fear Jim might be rcorrect. We are so predicatable
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby bennymacca » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:57 am

love how stumps writes a decent post with analysis and then all that follows is drivel. typical SA Footy

anyway, i agree with most of your points stumps. I think mckay just looks out of form a bit. is a good one day bowler at his best, but you are right, usually on slow pitches when he is hard to get away.

i used to think christian was a decent one day bowler, had a bit of nip about him even though he was only medium fast, but since he has come back into the team he has just bowled off cutters the whole time. sure, mix a few in, but surely your stock ball still needs to be above 130 to give you the element of surprise.

i disagree with what you said about faulkner though, i think he is our best death bowler at the moment. but thats probably not saying much.

i think they need to pick either pattinson or cummins for the world cup, that will give you the swing and pace that you correctly point out is lacking at the moment. one of them instead of coulter-nile and i think it looks like a much better lineup.

im still a bit miffed why they dont pick lyon in the one dayers. maybe they just dont want him to get into the habit of bowling darts, so it doesnt affect his test bowling, but i think he is much better than doherty in all forms, and can also take wickets instead of just drying the runs up.

i liked them picking muirhead in the T20 though, good to see the young kids have a crack at it.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:48 am

Love how people disagree with a point made, then attack poster and proceed to post long boring drivel. ;-)
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby bennymacca » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:58 am

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Love how people disagree with a point made, then attack poster and proceed to post long boring drivel. ;-)


Got nothing to do with disagreement, just that you rubbished it without a justification, other than that we won
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:50 am

Stating we won is hardly rubbishing. Some safooty posters are precious.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:53 am

Stumps wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:Just won ODI series 4-1. Yep, time for concern.



You have totally missed my point.
Yes, we won the series but did we bowl well.>.. No we bowled very poorly as a unit IMO. It's just half the pommy batsmen are mentally shot after a long tour and want to go home. I think our attack needs some serious improvement/line up changes otherwise I fear Jim might be rcorrect. We are so predicatable


95% of Jim05 's posts are negative. Unless it's about essendon, then it's all roses. :-)
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby bennymacca » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:55 am

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Stating we won is hardly rubbishing. Some safooty posters are precious.


yeah sorry i wasnt really singling out you, thought it may have looked like that.

maybe im just a forum whore that likes to type too, and dislikes short answers :D
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Squids » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:13 pm

Finch
Warner
Watson
Bailey
Clarke
Maxwhirllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Haddin
Faulkner
Starc / NCN / Patto_man / Harris?
McKay
Doherty

I think that will be our starting 11 in the world cup.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby bennymacca » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:40 pm

Can't see too much wrong with that. Mitch may get a run too.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Groover » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:32 pm

I'd like to see Richo get another go at international level whether it be T20s or ODIS
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Squids » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:34 pm

bennymacca wrote:Can't see too much wrong with that. Mitch may get a run too.


:oops: Forgot about him. I'd have him in front of Starc and the rest atm.
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby Stumps » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:50 am

Starc looked ok at the death last night (albeit against the tail)- maybe one to do the job
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Re: Australias One Day/T20 Bowling line up

Postby tigerpie » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:25 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Love how people disagree with a point made, then attack poster and proceed to post long boring drivel. ;-)

Hahaha :lol:
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