The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[bennymacca]

The last caller Aaron from Coromandel Valley also mentioned safooty.net. He called us all a bunch of NIMBY's. Well Aaron stop coming to the site if you don't like it.

lol. its a forum. The whole point of a forum is for discussion. not as an echo chamber for your own narrow views.

people like you ARE NIMBYs.

Plenty of others seem capable of rational thought though. On both sides of the argument.

[dedja]

LOL, another Socialist Alternative ambush perhaps?

[cennals05]

The last caller Aaron from Coromandel Valley also mentioned safooty.net. He called us all a bunch of NIMBY's. Well Aaron stop coming to the site if you don't like it.

lol. its a forum. The whole point of a forum is for discussion. not as an echo chamber for your own narrow views.

people like you ARE NIMBYs.

Plenty of others seem capable of rational thought though. On both sides of the argument.

You seem to be missing the point. He was the one complaining about people whinging on here and saying we shouldn't be. You are right it is a forum so all us NIMBY's are allowed to post what we like. For someone who doesn't like whinging you sure spend a lot of time on the whinging thread.

[UK Fan]

The last caller Aaron from Coromandel Valley also mentioned safooty.net. He called us all a bunch of NIMBY's. Well Aaron stop coming to the site if you don't like it.

lol. its a forum. The whole point of a forum is for discussion. not as an echo chamber for your own narrow views.

people like you ARE NIMBYs.

Plenty of others seem capable of rational thought though. On both sides of the argument.

Bennymacca and the other pro-reservists gets to determine the parameters of the debate Cennals, haven't you figured that out yet?

If they don't like your point = whinger and NIMBY. If they do = they kindly grant you the status of rational but incorrect. Again, their support of the concept has absolute NOTHING to do with their AFL allegiances, its a completely selfless and progressive viewpoint.

Watch their progressive stance vanish if for example Westies alligned with Essendon and became their reserves.................

[bennymacca]

No, it's just that some people actually come up with reasons why they might not like it. Not just that I hate the crows or port so therefore it is bad.

And for the record I am not pro reserves, I am still on the fence tbh. As I have said before it feels weird to have two sides I support in the same comp, and would prefer to have an AFL reserves comp. But I am definitely pro "the sky hasn't fallen in, and probably won't"

[heater31]

No, it's just that some people actually come up with reasons why they might not like it. Not just that I hate the crows or port so therefore it is bad.

And for the record I am not pro reserves, I am still on the fence tbh. As I have said before it feels weird to have two sides I support in the same comp, and would prefer to have an AFL reserves comp. But I am definitely pro "the sky hasn't fallen in, and probably won't"

I hate the AFL franchises for what they have done. No respect for the competition that created them at all. Driven by their own self interests and screw anyone that gets in our way.....

[UK Fan]

No, it's just that some people actually come up with reasons why they might not like it. Not just that I hate the crows or port so therefore it is bad.

And for the record I am not pro reserves, I am still on the fence tbh. As I have said before it feels weird to have two sides I support in the same comp, and would prefer to have an AFL reserves comp. But I am definitely pro "the sky hasn't fallen in, and probably won't"

If you think this is the gist of the anti-reserves argument you have completely missed the boat.

[bennymacca]

I didn't say that I said that some people have that viewpoint. There have been plenty of very good arguments made, I don't need to repeat them, but they have changed my viewpoint already

[bennymacca]

The most significant one being that a young crows supporter now has no reason to also casually follow another sanfl club, which will hurt the competition in 10 years when they could be financial supporters of an sanfl club but might not now

[UK Fan]

And you're still on the fence? Why? Simply because a reserves team is good for the Crows?

Isn't that 'who cares as long as it is in my backyard?'

[cennals05]

No, it's just that some people actually come up with reasons why they might not like it. Not just that I hate the crows or port so therefore it is bad.

And for the record I am not pro reserves, I am still on the fence tbh. As I have said before it feels weird to have two sides I support in the same comp, and would prefer to have an AFL reserves comp. But I am definitely pro "the sky hasn't fallen in, and probably won't"

I don't think anyone on here has ever said they don't like the idea because they hate Port and the Crows. You are really clutching at straws there. Most people have rational reasons they don't support it.

[dedja]

I hate Port ...

[johntheclaret]

Will Norwood sucking have a larger effect on crowds than anything else?

Glenelg Norwood centrals filling the bottom 3 spots on the ladder and south and eagles doing well would almost be the worst case scenario for crowd numbers would it not? Point taken about ports crowd being down though. Would be interesting to see what the crowd numbers are like in the power bye week, because it didn't really seem to affect the crows reserves numbers

Centrals are in better position win loss wise at the same time last year but their crowds are down

I never thought of Centrals as a big crowd puller anyway. Not in the same category as Norwood and Glenelg. The bays have been a basket case for a couple of years now so you can't use their current form as a reason for a downturn in attendances this season.
Norwood is fair point though. From premiers to poetical spooners inside 1 year, you would expect crowds to drop off but that should have been compensated by Sturt's upturn in fortune.

Eagles were there or thereabouts last year like this year but you would expect a big upturn in Port attendances which hasn't happened. Apart from Norwood, big crowd losers this year would be North.

[dedja]

Norwood, Glenelg, Port, Sturt and North usually pull in the crowds.

West, Eagles, Central and South don't.

[wild dog]

Will Norwood sucking have a larger effect on crowds than anything else?

Glenelg Norwood centrals filling the bottom 3 spots on the ladder and south and eagles doing well would almost be the worst case scenario for crowd numbers would it not? Point taken about ports crowd being down though. Would be interesting to see what the crowd numbers are like in the power bye week, because it didn't really seem to affect the crows reserves numbers

Centrals are in better position win loss wise at the same time last year but their crowds are down

I never thought of Centrals as a big crowd puller anyway. Not in the same category as Norwood and Glenelg. The bays have been a basket case for a couple of years now so you can't use their current form as a reason for a downturn in attendances this season.
Norwood is fair point though. From premiers to poetical spooners inside 1 year, you would expect crowds to drop off but that should have been compensated by Sturt's upturn in fortune.

Eagles were there or thereabouts last year like this year but you would expect a big upturn in Port attendances which hasn't happened. Apart from Norwood, big crowd losers this year would be North.

No not up there with Norwood, Glenelg and to a lesser extent Sturt, but held our own especially during successful times and finals. Combination of less success, downturn economically and now the reserves issue have served up the perfect storm.

[mal]

Poor crowds now because of ???

NORWOOD
This is the way I see it
My team won the last 2 SANFL flags
But finally losing players to the AFL teams has taken its toll
Then Norwood lost its super performing coach
Norwood is more or less a skeleton remnant of the Bassett days

B GRADE INVADERS
Now we have an AFL invader in the comp destroying the opposition
Between the 2 AFL B grade invaders , they have taken a lot of talent from every other SANFL club
So no other A Grade SANFL club has AFL players dropping back
This means the talent of the 8 SANFL A grade teams is arguably at its lowest off all time this season

PRODUCT
Now I'm asked to fork out $14 to watch these games
Nah, no value for the dollar anymore, not for an eroded product
I have my Norwood seasons pass , so will venture to some of my clubs games
I also used to watch about 10-20 neutral games per season
But I will very rarely ever go to these games now

STANDARD
In essence the AFL has eroded the SANFL
The SANFL is more or less a feeder comp for the AFL
there are no long term champs and superstars in the comp
The SANFL was once a step away form the AFL in the 1980's
Now it is a step ahead of Amateur League

PAST
I am glad to have followed this comp since the late 60s
I've had great entertainment
I enjoyed being a passionate supporter

NOW
I watch and follow the SANFL
But the passion and the parochialness is abated

Poor crowds ???
Well its now minus one more often because of me

Wedgie
This must be the post that has the media talking about the site

[saintal]

Went to my first SANFL game Sat night at Richmond Oval, ive never been to an SANFL trial game but confident I can now say I have, zero atmosphere, zero enthusiasm and a family/friends crowd.

Great recap. 9 borrowed 'top ups' for the Crows on Saturday night. And people still argue their inclusion has boosted the comp..

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The last time I updated this was as you can see, 2009. This is the total matches both finals and minor round of both SANFL and AFL matches. The SANFL matches played before AFL matches are not included:

Year Matches Total Average
1945 69 397213 5757
1946 72 608870 8457
1947 72 642522 8924
1948 69 583101 8451
1949 69 637149 9234
1950 72 679047 9431
1951 76 624555 8218
1952 72 718399 9978
1953 76 738703 9720
1954 76 783030 10303
1955 70 799079 11415
1956 76 765727 10075
1957 76 849369 11176
1958 75 838467 11180
1959 76 863466 11361
1960 76 830498 10928
1961 80 859336 10742
1962 80 846756 10584
1963 84 869278 10349
1964 104 905446 8706
1965 104 1010576 9717
1966 104 1017191 9781
1967 104 1090164 10482
1968 104 1028780 9892
1969 105 1036943 9876
1970 104 979234 9416
1971 109 1023433 9389
1972 109 1150514 10555
1973 111 1131287 10192
1974 116 1164643 10040
1975 96 880466 9172
1976 111 997056 8982
1977 116 1061043 9147
1978 116 1048871 9042
1979 116 1042254 8985
1980 116 1100184 9484
1981 116 1083951 9344
1982 116 1002427 8642
1983 116 976555 8419
1984 116 898894 7749
1985 116 992108 8553
1986 116 963647 8307
1987 116 935220 8062
1988 116 967595 8341
1989 116 901651 7773
1990 106 807182 7615
1991 116 1005945 8672
1992 115 936030 8139
1993 106 908389 8570
1994 111 959116 8641
1995 110 931808 8471
1996 102 879509 8623
1997 112 1282738 11453
1998 115 1218312 10594
1999 116 1143537 9858
2000 118 1062408 9003
2001 119 1150102 9665
2002 120 1221153 10176
2003 119 1262439 10609
2004 120 1165899 9716
2005 120 1230083 10251
2006 120 1169427 9745
2007 120 1173750 9781
2008 119 1109588 9324
2009 119 1076497 9046

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And here is 2010 to 2013:
2010 118 989704 8387
2011 116 959348 8270
2012 120 1012464 8437
2013 118 959479 8131

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I don't have anything handy regarding the weekly combined AFL/SANFL matches, I thought I had something from 1991-2006 at least. However, I can tell you the highest SANFL weekly attendance is 76.153 in Round 3 1968