Has Mick Malthouse lost the plot?

[Booney]

I said this a few weeks ago after watching him in a post match talk

All journalists should stop asking him questions.
Just let him sit there.
He is a $hit coach and always has been
It is always about him
I still haven't forgotten how he treated Jason Cloke in the 2003 Grand Final (which Malthouse lost due to his arrogance)
I hope he stays at Carlton forever - they deserve each other

I'm sure you cried this from the terraces after the GF of 2010 too.

Sure did. Didn't change the fact that he's a $hit coach

Well I simply can't agree with you there. Shit coaches, like Terry Wallace for example, don't coach four clubs over 4 decades and take two clubs to premierships.

He's not my favorite football person, he wouldn't be for many, but I reakon you're way off the mark claiming he's a shit coach.

699 games as coach ( 400 W - 293 L - 6 D )

[Phantom Gossiper]

I think the game has passed Malthouse by, he is an old school coach with old school methods.

He had a good squad at Collingwood with good resources and money so I'm not sure whether that makes him a good coach or a fortunate one.

Obviously his longevity and record are remarkable, and he has achieved plenty over the journey but in the current climate I don't think he is quality AFL coach.

Having said that, these days it is so professional and responsibility shared amongst a larger coaching staff, the role of a head coach isn't what it used to be and he is only going to be as good as his assistants and football department resources.

[gadj1976]

I said this a few weeks ago after watching him in a post match talk

All journalists should stop asking him questions.
Just let him sit there.
He is a $hit coach and always has been
It is always about him
I still haven't forgotten how he treated Jason Cloke in the 2003 Grand Final (which Malthouse lost due to his arrogance)
I hope he stays at Carlton forever - they deserve each other

I'm sure you cried this from the terraces after the GF of 2010 too.

Sure did. Didn't change the fact that he's a $hit coach

Well I simply can't agree with you there. Shit coaches, like Terry Wallace for example, don't coach four clubs over 4 decades and take two clubs to premierships.

He's not my favorite football person, he wouldn't be for many, but I reakon you're way off the mark claiming he's a shit coach.

699 games as coach ( 400 W - 293 L - 6 D )

Booney, I'm one to say his time is up, but you look at his record and it's quite remarkable. Not only did he win premierships but he took over the Western Bulldogs aged in his early 30s. The scrays were mid table when he took over. Then he took over West Coast who were nearer the bottom, then Collingwood when they were bottom.

Admittedly is hasn't turned out well for us at Carlton (and never was going to IMO) but you can't knock his record.

[amber_fluid]

His record is second to none.............and he will go down as one of the best coaches of all times!!
Doesn't change the fact he is the biggest most arrogant knob to grace this earth!!

[Turbo]

To be honest it's a pity he didn't take over 5 / 6 years ago.
He has inherited a list that hasn't been developed properly and recruited poorly.
I'm preparing for more delisting/trades at seasons end. Heard a few rumblings of some players who may raise a few eyebrows who could be shipped elsewhere.
I think mick will receive a contract extension with dare I say it a succession plan to be put in place.

[Dogwatcher]

In 1985.

[Mr Beefy]

His record is second to none.............and he will go down as one of the best coaches of all times!!
Doesn't change the fact he is the biggest most arrogant knob to grace this earth!!

Second to none? There are plenty in front of him, not saying he is a shit coach but..

[Rik E Boy]

I reckon as recently as his last year at Collingwood he was still the best coach in the league. As for the game passing him by take a look at Carlton's list. At full strength they could go 7-10. Minus Waite, Henderson, Thomas and Kruezer they are a shocking team. Soft as butter with more sheep dogs than Footrot Flats. The goers in the team such as Robbo and Armfield are limited. Experienced players such as McLean are lucky to get a gig. Warnock is shite and Carazzo is done.

Too much falls to too few. Judd, Simpson and Walker are three players who look to be carrying more than they should. Mick didn't want Murphy as Captain and I think this point of view has been vindicated more often than not despite Murphy's best efforts. There have been very few positives...I belive Levi Casboult has come on a treat this year, Gibbs has shown he can win the hard football and young Menzel looks to be a real player.

The club made the wrong move getting Mick and seriously overestimated their list's ability to win the flag. Judging Malthouse by his Carlton stay is like judging Pagan from his. Mick has a history of bringing up ordinary teams to be contenders but Collingwood 2002 and Footscray 1985 would absolutley pump Carlton 2014.

Has he lost the plot? Probably. The job is harder than he thought it would be. The cull should have happened last summer, not this summer. Is he a shit coach...um....no way. He would have been gone long ago if he was. Is he second to none....well, I'd have a few ahead of MIck.

regards,

REB

[amber_fluid]

His record is second to none.............and he will go down as one of the best coaches of all times!!
Doesn't change the fact he is the biggest most arrogant knob to grace this earth!!

Second to none? There are plenty in front of him, not saying he is a shit coach but..

who has a better record......games coached....win/loss ratio.....premierships?
there may be 1 or 2 but he has to be right up there.
He's still a knob though!!!

[Mr Beefy]

His record is second to none.............and he will go down as one of the best coaches of all times!!
Doesn't change the fact he is the biggest most arrogant knob to grace this earth!!

Second to none? There are plenty in front of him, not saying he is a shit coach but..

who has a better record......games coached....win/loss ratio.....premierships?
there may be 1 or 2 but he has to be right up there.
He's still a knob though!!!

Jock McHale.

[Rik E Boy]

Haven't crunched the numbers but I reckon these coaches would have Mick Covered.

Leigh Matthews
Kevin Sheedy
Ron Barrassi
Tom Hafey
Norm Smith
Dick Reynolds
Jack Worrall
Checker Hughes
Alan Jeanes
David Parkin

regards,

REB

[amber_fluid]

Not sure what criteria we are using but quick google search found:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-14/m ... pse-mchale

He is certainly around the mark anyway............but he wins the biggest flog as a coach award hands down!!

[LaughingKookaburra]

Grand final day to me is up to the players. Only coaches I've seen in recent times that win a GF with their game plan are Blight and Clarkson. I like the coaches who are good enough to get their team there on the big day...

[Rik E Boy]

Grand final day to me is up to the players. Only coaches I've seen in recent times that win a GF with their game plan are Blight and Clarkson. I like the coaches who are good enough to get their team there on the big day...

In 2009 the Cats were outplayed by St Kilda for the majority of the match and were behind on the scoreboard at lemon time. Bomber asked the players if they thought they had done enough to become a dual premiership player. James Kelly for one said it inspired him to find something extra in the last quarter. In 1989 Alan Jeanes famously asked Hawthorn players if they were prepared to pay the price for a premiership, and looking forward to a posisble day of regret for not paying the price when the opportunity arose to do so.

My point is that not all coaching is about Game plans, some of it is actually coaching..coming up with something to get the players finding something extra when required. I think Lyon in particular might be missing this small component..he is very much a 'team role' based kind of coach and that off the wall type of Blighty/Bomber/Jeansy moment could be just the trick.

regards,

REB

[gossipgirl]

Haven't crunched the numbers but I reckon these coaches would have Mick Covered.

Leigh Matthews
Kevin Sheedy
Ron Barrassi
Tom Hafey
Norm Smith
Dick Reynolds
Jack Worrall
Checker Hughes
Alan Jeanes
David Parkin

regards,

REB

if you are going to include VFL then should include SANFL and WAFL or just limit it to AFL

[Dogwatcher]

Why?

[RustyCage]

Because apparently anything before the Crows came in doesn't count

[Jim05]

Haven't crunched the numbers but I reckon these coaches would have Mick Covered.

Leigh Matthews
Kevin Sheedy
Ron Barrassi
Tom Hafey
Norm Smith
Dick Reynolds
Jack Worrall
Checker Hughes
Alan Jeanes
David Parkin

regards,

REB

if you are going to include VFL then should include SANFL and WAFL or just limit it to AFL

And here we go again

[Spargo]

Haven't crunched the numbers but I reckon these coaches would have Mick Covered.

Leigh Matthews
Kevin Sheedy
Ron Barrassi
Tom Hafey
Norm Smith
Dick Reynolds
Jack Worrall
Checker Hughes
Alan Jeanes
David Parkin

regards,

REB

I'd add Bomber to that list. Kick straight in '08 & hang around for season 2011 he'd probably have four flags.

[Turbo]

Haven't crunched the numbers but I reckon these coaches would have Mick Covered.

Leigh Matthews
Kevin Sheedy
Ron Barrassi
Tom Hafey
Norm Smith
Dick Reynolds
Jack Worrall
Checker Hughes
Alan Jeanes
David Parkin

regards,

REB

if you are going to include VFL then should include SANFL and WAFL or just limit it to AFL

And here we go again[/

When they reorganize the starting year to 1870 we're gonna need a bigger cabinet to hold our 22 cups