Idea for a tweak to the finals series

[Rik E Boy]

also in 1997 rik you lost to 7th on the ladder, why did you then deserve a home final?.

For the exact same reason why Richmond deserve to be in the finals ahead of West Coast or Adelaide. You play for five months and earn the double chance, you earn the home final in the Semi. Not Rocket Surgery.

I'd rather have better Grand Finals with the arguably more predictable lesser finals. The final series should ensure the best two teams play off for the premiership. In my view the current model does this much more effectively.

regards,

REB

[bennymacca]

also in 1997 rik you lost to 7th on the ladder, why did you then deserve a home final?.

For the exact same reason why Richmond deserve to be in the finals ahead of West Coast or Adelaide. You play for five months and earn the double chance, you earn the home final in the Semi. Not Rocket Surgery.

I'd rather have better Grand Finals with the arguably more predictable lesser finals. The final series should ensure the best two teams play off for the premiership. In my view the current model does this much more effectively.

regards,

REB

yeah this is a fair point. see what happens when you use your words?

[Rik E Boy]

also in 1997 rik you lost to 7th on the ladder, why did you then deserve a home final?.

For the exact same reason why Richmond deserve to be in the finals ahead of West Coast or Adelaide. You play for five months and earn the double chance, you earn the home final in the Semi. Not Rocket Surgery.

I'd rather have better Grand Finals with the arguably more predictable lesser finals. The final series should ensure the best two teams play off for the premiership. In my view the current model does this much more effectively.

regards,

REB

yeah this is a fair point. see what happens when you use your words?

Cut the crap. Go into a pub and call someone you don't know that well a dickhead. After you get out if hospital let me know how it went.

regards,

REB

[bennymacca]

ah, violence. the bastion of a man who cant figure out anything else to do.

[daysofourlives]

What a surprise, a Crows fan that wants to reward teams for not winning enough matches to rightfully earn the double chance. And we all know why that is don't we? 97 crows get a home final against Geelong who finished second that year. 98 finish 5th and get belted and get the double chance. Flags won by the Crows using the current finals system? ZERO.

regards,

REB

I was going to post this myself but didnt want to steal a Geelong fans thunder

[Q.]

ah, violence. the bastion of a man who cant figure out anything else to do.

He didn't actually threaten you with violence though. Just pointed out you probably wouldn't get away with abusing random people in public.

[bennymacca]

ah, violence. the bastion of a man who cant figure out anything else to do.

He didn't actually threaten you with violence though. Just pointed out you probably wouldn't get away with abusing random people in public.

you probably also wouldnt get away with over the top and unwarranted negativity and comparisons to irrelevant details about me

[bennymacca]

found another twist on our current finals series. this one from english rugby is basically the same as our system, but with one twist

the highest ranked qualifying final winner gets to choose their prelim final opponent. that actually sounds like a cool idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_play-offs

[Jim05]

found another twist on our current finals series. this one from english rugby is basically the same as our system, but with one twist

the highest ranked qualifying final winner gets to choose their prelim final opponent. that actually sounds like a cool idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_play-offs

Is that you Kevin Bartlett?
Enough rule changes, leave it as is.
The current system works fine

[bennymacca]

haha. well you probably wont like the other thread im about to start then

[woodublieve12]

haha. well you probably wont like the other thread im about to start then

Will it be "how the bottom 8 should be allowed to participate in finals because the big bad top 8 get to play more games?"

[bennymacca]

just thinking outside the box. sometimes it might be too far outside

[Zelezny Chucks]

I see merit in his idea.

With competitive junior footy all but obsolete maybe we should just scrap finals altogether so they can have no scoring or record keeping? This will help the kids of tomorrow with the transition from non-competitive junior footy into AFL footy.

Oh sorry, should have told those with sarcasm meters to turn them off.

This is without doubt one of the dumbest ideas raised on this forum. This line wasn't sarcastic.

[Booney]

ah, violence. the bastion of a man who cant figure out anything else to do.

Knowing REB, his skill set is best served using anything other than violence.

He was right earlier, it's a shit idea. With all due respect.

[Stumps]

Not the best idea but only one genuine tool on this thread and its not you bennymacca, A lack of respect and arrogance are two very undesirable traits
REB

[bennymacca]

Expecting at least some of the previous posters to not even read this as it might be too many numbers, with the threshold for too many being > 0, but I did an analysis of all of the finals systems, first assuming all games are 50/50, then assuming a 55/45 advantage to the home side (a figure which I think mal gave in another thread)

Current system with all games 50/50

Chances of top 4 winning - 18.75%
Chances of bottom 4 winning - 6.25%

If we add a 55% home ground advantage.

Top 2 winning - 20.69
3/4 winning - 19.18
5/6 winning - 5.57
7/8 winning - 4.55

My tweak to the finals system produces
Top 2 19.68
3/4 17.94
5/6 6.8
7/8 5.57

Thus this change would mean a team from the bottom eight would win 24.7% of the time rather than 20.2.

Once again this doesn't include differences between teams so these numbers are most likely much greater, but it is very relevant for teams that finish say 4th and 5th for instance.

[Booney]

If Richmond win this week and Fremantle lose, Fremantle would have to travel to the MCG to play Richmond.

This is where this system is fundamentally wrong. Your numbers do make for good reading though and your sly insult was not unnoticed.

[bennymacca]

If Richmond win this week and Fremantle lose, Fremantle would have to travel to the MCG to play Richmond.

This is where this system is fundamentally wrong. Your numbers do make for good reading though and your sly insult was not unnoticed.

Thsts my point. I think that would make for more even finals and it would place an even bigger premium on winning the quali.

And if you noticed the sly insult you probably weren't the intended recipient

[Booney]

If Richmond win this week and Fremantle lose, Fremantle would have to travel to the MCG to play Richmond.

This is where this system is fundamentally wrong. Your numbers do make for good reading though and your sly insult was not unnoticed.

Thsts my point. I think that would make for more even finals and it would place an even bigger premium on winning the quali.

And if you noticed the sly insult you probably weren't the intended recipient

Even finals are not what you work through 3 months of pre-season and 22 weeks of H&A games for though, are they?

You earn the right to have an advantage and rightfully so. Keep thinking, someone has too.

[Jim05]

5-8 SHOULD have nearly zero chance of playing in a GF. Win more games during the year. The best sides over the year should make the GF not scrubber sides who scrape in and get lucky with one good game