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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby southernbulldog » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:15 pm

Dont really know how he played at Port
He has had a crack all year with second efforts and at times
his kicking has been wayward but he has tried his guts out.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:22 pm

southernbulldog wrote:Dont really know how he played at Port
He has had a crack all year with second efforts and at times
his kicking has been wayward but he has tried his guts out.


Yeah you can't question his commitment or endeavour.
I think he was unfairly treated at Port but that's in the past now and I hope he goes alright at Centrals.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Dogwatcher » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:00 am

Probably played his best game last week.
Still erratic - in field play and kicking. Better than we would have had up there without him.
Would be doing better if he had some better service coming into him.
Did have the chance to seal the game with a shot on goal on Saturday but missed, which was a bit disappointing.
Another Doggies fan posted on this site that he is probably going the best of any of our AFL-experienced recruits (although, I feel Josh Glenn had his most productive game for us on the weekend).
I'd rather have the Butch than not. We knew what we were getting.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Booney » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:07 am

amber_fluid wrote:
southernbulldog wrote:Dont really know how he played at Port
He has had a crack all year with second efforts and at times
his kicking has been wayward but he has tried his guts out.


Yeah you can't question his commitment or endeavour.
I think he was unfairly treated at Port but that's in the past now and I hope he goes alright at Centrals.


I think he was given a fair run. One thing he never did ( still hasn't ) while on our list was take an SANFL game by the scruff of the neck and take 10 or 12 marks and kick 6 or 7 goals. He came in at AFL level when we were without a Schulz, Westhoff, Lobbe etc, so it's fair call he didn't really get a long run at it at AFL level. Like I said though. he didn't knock the door down either.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Dogwatcher » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:35 am

He kicked six against us last season.

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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Grenville » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:28 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:Probably played his best game last week.
Still erratic - in field play and kicking. Better than we would have had up there without him.
Would be doing better if he had some better service coming into him.
Did have the chance to seal the game with a shot on goal on Saturday but missed, which was a bit disappointing.
Another Doggies fan posted on this site that he is probably going the best of any of our AFL-experienced recruits (although, I feel Josh Glenn had his most productive game for us on the weekend).
I'd rather have the Butch than not. We knew what we were getting.


Twas me that made the comment Dogwatcher, he's still patchy and does some dumb things but he is committed to the jumper. I'll back him in because of that if nothing else.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:45 pm

Booney wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
southernbulldog wrote:Dont really know how he played at Port
He has had a crack all year with second efforts and at times
his kicking has been wayward but he has tried his guts out.


Yeah you can't question his commitment or endeavour.
I think he was unfairly treated at Port but that's in the past now and I hope he goes alright at Centrals.


I think he was given a fair run. One thing he never did ( still hasn't ) while on our list was take an SANFL game by the scruff of the neck and take 10 or 12 marks and kick 6 or 7 goals. He came in at AFL level when we were without a Schulz, Westhoff, Lobbe etc, so it's fair call he didn't really get a long run at it at AFL level. Like I said though. he didn't knock the door down either.


What do you call a fair run?
Did he play more than 3 games in a row?
I don't think he did.
Given he played when they were having a lean patch I never understood why they didn't just play him for 8-9 games in a row and just back him in.
All irrelevant now I guess.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby GMcG » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:08 pm

I reckon he's been worth 3 to 4 goals to Us each match so far, kicks 2 or 3 & hands out 1 or 2, I'm happy.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Wedgie » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:18 pm

He was awful against North. Kicked two but probably set up 5 for us.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Booney » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:42 am

amber_fluid wrote:
What do you call a fair run?
Did he play more than 3 games in a row?
I don't think he did.
Given he played when they were having a lean patch I never understood why they didn't just play him for 8-9 games in a row and just back him in.
All irrelevant now I guess.


Played at least 3 in a row every year on the PAFC list :

2011- Played rounds 21,22 (6 goals),23 (4 goals),24 "The Future" had arrived. ( 4 in a row ) 11 goals in 4 games
2012 - 1,4,5,6,7,8,14,15 ( 5 in a row ) - 11 goals in 8 games
2013 - 9,10,12,16,17,18,19,20 ( 5 in a row ) - 9 goals in 8 games
2014 - 1,2,3 - ( 3 in a row ) 2 goals in 3 games
2015 - 1,20,21,22,23 ( 4 in a row ) - 3 goals in 5 games
2016 - 18,19,20 - ( 3 in a row )5 goals in 3 games.

41 goals in 31 games at 1.32 per game, primarily as a key forward.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby bulldogproud » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:58 pm

I am very happy we picked up Butch. He has proven to be an asset and, if our delivery to him had been better, would probably be averaging four goals a match. He competes extremely well and is well-liked by pretty much everyone at the club.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby human_torpedo » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:22 pm

Booney wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
What do you call a fair run?
Did he play more than 3 games in a row?
I don't think he did.
Given he played when they were having a lean patch I never understood why they didn't just play him for 8-9 games in a row and just back him in.
All irrelevant now I guess.


Played at least 3 in a row every year on the PAFC list :

2011- Played rounds 21,22 (6 goals),23 (4 goals),24 "The Future" had arrived. ( 4 in a row ) 11 goals in 4 games
2012 - 1,4,5,6,7,8,14,15 ( 5 in a row ) - 11 goals in 8 games
2013 - 9,10,12,16,17,18,19,20 ( 5 in a row ) - 9 goals in 8 games
2014 - 1,2,3 - ( 3 in a row ) 2 goals in 3 games
2015 - 1,20,21,22,23 ( 4 in a row ) - 3 goals in 5 games
2016 - 18,19,20 - ( 3 in a row )5 goals in 3 games.

41 goals in 31 games at 1.32 per game, primarily as a key forward.

Jonathon Brown didn't average over 1.5 goals per game for a season until his 5th full year.. Kicked 84 goals from 76 games in his first 4 years. Yes he played behind Lynch and Bradshaw so he was given a good run to develop

Butcher played when Port were either going poorly, or covering other injuries. Was he given a good run at an AFL career and a chance to develop? Im leaning towards no. But, that's just personal opinion. Im glad the Dogs fans are happy with what they have, its about time the bloke feels some love I think

Also, by no means am I comparing the 2 above players. It is merely an example that his goals per game output wasn't as severely down as it may appear
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Grenville » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:47 pm

bulldogproud wrote:I am very happy we picked up Butch. He has proven to be an asset and, if our delivery to him had been better, would probably be averaging four goals a match. He competes extremely well and is well-liked by pretty much everyone at the club.
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Even with the shite football we've played this year I reckon Butch would've benefited with the presence of Connor McLean up forward. If he can get fit the kid will be a beauty. It's starting to be a big if though, he can't stay on the park.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Cambridge Clarrie » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:08 pm

-3 dream team points today... I assume he played no more than 5 mins??
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Cougar » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:45 pm

Cambridge Clarrie wrote:-3 dream team points today... I assume he played no more than 5 mins??

Played the whole game....not kidding either.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby therisingblues » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:50 pm

Apparently he played on one leg.
Didn't see any of the game myself, so just passing on what I heard.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Dogs72 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:21 am

Cougar wrote:
Cambridge Clarrie wrote:-3 dream team points today... I assume he played no more than 5 mins??

Played the whole game....not kidding either.

Didn't play the whole game, but did play most. Had a leg injury. Probably had about three contests. The ball never got down to him. I would have thought (before he was injured) they should have got him into the game.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby therisingblues » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:28 pm

Strange situation though. Sturt only ended up winning by 3 goals, yet the Dogs had a forward who did not touch the ball and his only recorded stat was one free against. Apparently played most of the game with a leg injury, does explain things to an extent but also begs the question, why was he out there if he was injured?
Dogs fans on the other thread have said that Sturt sort of just did what they had to do, and they would know more about it that me, who has just looked at the stats, but I honestly can't fathom why he was out there.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby southernbulldog » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:09 pm

Dont worry supporters were asking the same question
not fair on Butch shows how bad things are for us
when we have no other option but to leave him on.
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Re: Would any SANFL team consider 'John Butcher' next year?

Postby Cougar » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:45 pm

therisingblues wrote:Strange situation though. Sturt only ended up winning by 3 goals, yet the Dogs had a forward who did not touch the ball and his only recorded stat was one free against. Apparently played most of the game with a leg injury, does explain things to an extent but also begs the question, why was he out there if he was injured?
Dogs fans on the other thread have said that Sturt sort of just did what they had to do, and they would know more about it that me, who has just looked at the stats, but I honestly can't fathom why he was out there.

Sturt were without a player and rotation for 3/4 of the game also with young Dwayne Wilson doing a hammy early in the 1st quarter.
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