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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby Spargo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:06 pm

locky801 wrote:Believe the League Directors are voting on this issue in the very near future

No doubt we the members of our respective SANFL clubs will be kept in the loop if anything eventuates :-J
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby VALE PARK » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:39 pm

Naturally you jest.
If true how come we have not been told about this strategy already.
This will seriously affect the gate,it will take out
about 30/45 players and officials from each team and their family and followers.
Maybe if we get a women's comp instead we could be promised another 4/5 thousand at the gate though.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby bennymacca » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:16 pm

Seems to make little sense, especially when they introduced the salary cap on country footy to basically get people playing SANFL reserves footy!
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby Magellan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:31 pm

bennymacca wrote:they introduced the salary cap on country footy to basically get people playing SANFL reserves footy!

Can anyone comment on how strongly the country footy salary cap is enforced?
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby tipper » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:26 pm

VALE PARK wrote:Naturally you jest.
If true how come we have not been told about this strategy already.
This will seriously affect the gate,it will take out
about 30/45 players and officials from each team and their family and followers.
Maybe if we get a women's comp instead we could be promised another 4/5 thousand at the gate though.
Now I jest.


they learnt their lesson from the AFL reserves saga. they tried to tell us what they were going to do, and we all shouted/disagreed with them. they wont make that mistake again. in future they just wont tell us anything. saves having to try to answer all those awkward questions like "how will this benefit the comp" :oops:
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby therisingblues » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:32 pm

Magellan wrote:
locky801 wrote:Believe the League Directors are voting on this issue in the very near future

May God have mercy on our SANFL souls.

Barring any stand over tactics by the AFL sides, which I doubt would be happening anyway as I can't see what they'd have to gain out of this, I trust the clubs would make the decision based on what's best for the clubs. I too would like to hear their views on this. In the absence of any informed commentary I'd say an obvious positive would be money saved on the actual running costs of a reserves comp, though I have absolutely no idea how much that would be. The obvious negative would be what whufc wrote a couple of posts ago. To that I'd add the loss of some more soul as another negative.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby therisingblues » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:34 pm

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locky801 wrote:Believe the League Directors are voting on this issue in the very near future

No doubt we the members of our respective SANFL clubs will be kept in the loop if anything eventuates :-J

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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby Magellan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:36 pm

whufc wrote:Yep i reckon alot would see the year out with their SANFL clubs and then make the move the following week.

I couldn't see a bloke who has just kicked 4 goals and won a huge game with Eastern Park leaving there to go back down to Centrals and watch presentations of a team he wasn't even involved in when most likely he could stay at EP as the star, have most of his drinks and covered that night and get around blokes who think his a legends.

You might find that some players would piss off mid season, especially if they're a fringe player with no real opportunity to play in the league side. I can't see an SANFL club fighting to enforce a contract with the 23rd best player in the club who really wants to leave.

And like you say whufc, who could blame them? Apart from the money and booze, they're probably going to be fitter than your average ammos players and are likely to play well at a lower level and will enjoy not having to train as much from thereon in.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby Magellan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:49 pm

therisingblues wrote:Barring any stand over tactics by the AFL sides, which I doubt would be happening anyway as I can't see what they'd have to gain out of this, I trust the clubs would make the decision based on what's best for the clubs. I too would like to hear their views on this. In the absence of any informed commentary I'd say an obvious positive would be money saved on the actual running costs of a reserves comp, though I have absolutely no idea how much that would be. The obvious negative would be what whufc wrote a couple of posts ago. To that I'd add the loss of some more soul as another negative.

Remember all the bleating the Crows made in 2013 about a reserves side benefiting them as a club so that all its players can play together? If giving someone a reserves side is supposed to be a positive by helping and unifying them, then it must follow that their removal would do the opposite.

So, if this is true, surely it is another straw with which the SANFL's already weakened back can be broken. I wouldn't put anything past the league directors. Anything goes.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby whufc » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:22 pm

Magellan wrote:
whufc wrote:Yep i reckon alot would see the year out with their SANFL clubs and then make the move the following week.

I couldn't see a bloke who has just kicked 4 goals and won a huge game with Eastern Park leaving there to go back down to Centrals and watch presentations of a team he wasn't even involved in when most likely he could stay at EP as the star, have most of his drinks and covered that night and get around blokes who think his a legends.

You might find that some players would piss off mid season, especially if they're a fringe player with no real opportunity to play in the league side. I can't see an SANFL club fighting to enforce a contract with the 23rd best player in the club who really wants to leave.

And like you say whufc, who could blame them? Apart from the money and booze, they're probably going to be fitter than your average ammos players and are likely to play well at a lower level and will enjoy not having to train as much from thereon in.


Yep as a fringe SANFL player in most cases they will be able to get more coin at ammos/country, train less, be the star, get the little ego boosts of free drinks etc etc by sponsors.

I reckon there would be a lot of clearances/retirees just before the transfer deadline where players who couldn't get a game at their SANFL clubs league side just commit permanently to their ammo/country club especially if they were in the hunt for a premiership.

Who could blame them.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby Pseudo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:23 pm

VALE PARK wrote:Maybe if we get a women's comp instead we could be promised another 4/5 thousand at the gate though.

Perhaps if they play in lingerie. :twisted:
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby Pseudo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:30 pm

therisingblues wrote: I trust the clubs would make the decision based on what's best for the clubs.


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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby UK Fan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:33 pm

Magellan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:they introduced the salary cap on country footy to basically get people playing SANFL reserves footy!

Can anyone comment on how strongly the country footy salary cap is enforced?



It's been introduced but not enforced imho!!!

So an experienced SANFL player coming back from an ACL/Shoulder operation would play in the SAAFL
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby Magellan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:54 pm

UK Fan wrote:It's been introduced but not enforced imho!!!

I thought as much.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby therisingblues » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:34 pm

Magellan wrote:
therisingblues wrote:Barring any stand over tactics by the AFL sides, which I doubt would be happening anyway as I can't see what they'd have to gain out of this, I trust the clubs would make the decision based on what's best for the clubs. I too would like to hear their views on this. In the absence of any informed commentary I'd say an obvious positive would be money saved on the actual running costs of a reserves comp, though I have absolutely no idea how much that would be. The obvious negative would be what whufc wrote a couple of posts ago. To that I'd add the loss of some more soul as another negative.

Remember all the bleating the Crows made in 2013 about a reserves side benefiting them as a club so that all its players can play together? If giving someone a reserves side is supposed to be a positive by helping and unifying them, then it must follow that their removal would do the opposite.

So, if this is true, surely it is another straw with which the SANFL's already weakened back can be broken. I wouldn't put anything past the league directors. Anything goes.

So what rationale is there for the move? Is there anyone in the know who could put a figure on the running of a reserves competition? I imagine player payments would stay the same, or would reserves squads be trimmed down because there's no need to field a full team? It would have to come down to cash, surely.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby locky801 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:35 pm

You cant change your past but you can sure hell shape you future
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby therisingblues » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:38 pm

locky801 wrote:http://www.triplem.com.au/adelaide/shows/roo-ditts-breakfast/blog/2016/sanfl-looking-at-getting-rid-of-teams/#

Thanks Locky.
So between $50,000 and $200,000 to run a reserves competition.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby heater31 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:41 pm

therisingblues wrote:
locky801 wrote:http://www.triplem.com.au/adelaide/shows/roo-ditts-breakfast/blog/2016/sanfl-looking-at-getting-rid-of-teams/#

Thanks Locky.
So between $50,000 and $200,000 to run a reserves competition.

Which clubs are spending $200 000 on their 2's :shock:
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby therisingblues » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:45 pm

Pseudo wrote:
therisingblues wrote: I trust the clubs would make the decision based on what's best for the clubs.


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Well they wouldn't intentionally try to screw the clubs over. Apart from one decision where it would appear coercion took place, I don't recall them ever collectively harming the comp. Though individual boards have done incredible harm to individual clubs through stupid decision making. Sturt moving from Unley and sacking Keane and Glenelg sacking Hodgeman /Mickan are a couple of examples.
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Re: Are the Reserves staying or going

Postby therisingblues » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:47 pm

heater31 wrote:
therisingblues wrote:
locky801 wrote:http://www.triplem.com.au/adelaide/shows/roo-ditts-breakfast/blog/2016/sanfl-looking-at-getting-rid-of-teams/#

Thanks Locky.
So between $50,000 and $200,000 to run a reserves competition.

Which clubs are spending $200 000 on their 2's :shock:

That's just a ceiling estimate provided by Roo.
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