Re: Your 2014 predictions
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:58 pm
Why are Port so favoured over the Crows. Whats the difference?
Ted E Bear wrote:Why are Port so favoured over the Crows. Whats the difference?
kickinit wrote:bulldogproud2 wrote:Your final comment does worry me. Are Port supporters only Port supporters when there is success?? I was hoping that there would have been more loyalty from the club that always touted itself as being above all others when it came to support. Is your friend also saying that it feels like the 'real' PAFC because there is almost certain success this year and that, without the success, it did not feel like Port?
As for wanting the Magpies dead, I would want the complete opposite. I would rather a thriving Magpies side but one without it being the Power Reserves, instead a club on the same level as all other SANFL clubs. I have a feeling that that is what many true Magpie supporters would also prefer, judging by what I am hearing.
Cheers
The success doesn't play a factor at all. Over the past years there have been people involved in the club that have been there more for themselves then the club. The off field running of the club has been shocking. The recognition of past players was shocking, the recognition of volunteers was shocking. The real PAFC has a hell of a lot of pride and passion something we had lost. PAFC has changed, we are back to having people at the club with pride and passion about the club. Players getting to talk to past players and find out what the real PAFC is about. The dad's army being recognised for the work they done. The group of players (that did it off their own back) that take groups of volunteers out for a meal each week to say thanks. The higher ups out getting their hands dirty. The success we are now seeing is only coming from those things happening off field.
Yeh there was times where I felt like tearing up my membership because of the decision the club was making. But a true PAFC supporter sticks through it. Some people might say that they are only a magpies supporter or a power supporter. At the end of the day the magpies and the power are the PAFC. If PAFC never entered the AFL more then likely I wouldn't support a AFL team, which is purely because the club I support is the PAFC.
kickinit wrote:bulldogproud2 wrote:Your final comment does worry me. Are Port supporters only Port supporters when there is success?? I was hoping that there would have been more loyalty from the club that always touted itself as being above all others when it came to support. Is your friend also saying that it feels like the 'real' PAFC because there is almost certain success this year and that, without the success, it did not feel like Port?
As for wanting the Magpies dead, I would want the complete opposite. I would rather a thriving Magpies side but one without it being the Power Reserves, instead a club on the same level as all other SANFL clubs. I have a feeling that that is what many true Magpie supporters would also prefer, judging by what I am hearing.
Cheers
The success doesn't play a factor at all. Over the past years there have been people involved in the club that have been there more for themselves then the club. The off field running of the club has been shocking. The recognition of past players was shocking, the recognition of volunteers was shocking. The real PAFC has a hell of a lot of pride and passion something we had lost. PAFC has changed, we are back to having people at the club with pride and passion about the club. Players getting to talk to past players and find out what the real PAFC is about. The dad's army being recognised for the work they done. The group of players (that did it off their own back) that take groups of volunteers out for a meal each week to say thanks. The higher ups out getting their hands dirty. The success we are now seeing is only coming from those things happening off field.
Yeh there was times where I felt like tearing up my membership because of the decision the club was making. But a true PAFC supporter sticks through it. Some people might say that they are only a magpies supporter or a power supporter. At the end of the day the magpies and the power are the PAFC. If PAFC never entered the AFL more then likely I wouldn't support a AFL team, which is purely because the club I support is the PAFC.
Ted E Bear wrote:But when injuries come port will be affected depth wise wont they?
Can you place bets on the SANFL games or premiership. If so who should I place it on?
Ted E Bear wrote:Why are Port so favoured over the Crows. Whats the difference?
Ted E Bear wrote:I am thinking of backing Port for the premiership but I am worried come finals they will put them all in cotton wool.
There's now plenty of recent history to look at, to know what's likely to unfold: Brisbane and Gold Coast reserves in what's now the NEAFL, Sydney and GWS reserves in what was the Canberra comp and is now also the NEAFL, and Collingwood and Geelong were the first of a now fast-growing contingent of AFL reserves sides in the VFL. Of course 2 'traditional' WAFL clubs have gone down the AFL reserves path in 2014 too.Ted E Bear wrote:I am thinking of backing Port for the premiership but I am worried come finals they will put them all in cotton wool.
SimonH wrote:There's now plenty of recent history to look at, to know what's likely to unfold: Brisbane and Gold Coast reserves in what's now the NEAFL, Sydney and GWS reserves in what was the Canberra comp and is now also the NEAFL, and Collingwood and Geelong were the first of a now fast-growing contingent of AFL reserves sides in the VFL. Of course 2 'traditional' WAFL clubs have gone down the AFL reserves path in 2014 too.Ted E Bear wrote:I am thinking of backing Port for the premiership but I am worried come finals they will put them all in cotton wool.
Their best is generally better than the best of the amateur or semi-pro sides that they play against. But they're very inconsistent, depending mostly on injuries in the AFL squad, and also on the quality of their top-ups. Certainly, they win some flags: Brisbane have won a couple of recent ones in the relatively weaker NEAFL, Swans have won a few a while back, and Geelong have won at least one in the relatively strong VFL. But come finals time they generally underperform compared with their talent and their minor round performance. The reasons have been well documented elsewhere, but the phrase 'cotton wool' sums it up nicely.
GWS' non-performance in their 1SF in the NEAFL 'Eastern Conference' in 2011 against Eastlake deserves to be particularly notorious: a 68 point loss, where their score was doubled, by Eastlake. Eastlake was a team that they'd beaten twice in the minor round (by 62 and 20 points, including just the previous week)—and GWS were also coming into the game as the form side of the comp, on a long winning streak in which they'd beaten competition powerhouses Brisbane reserves, Swans reserves and NT Thunder. This is when GWS' best team was playing in the NEAFL Eastern Conference, as a warm-up to their first year in the AFL in 2012—and so the whole darn squad, from Jeremy Cameron down, got to start their mandatory annual leave, and then get back into pre-season training for the 2012 AFL season, as soon as they bombed out of the NEAFL finals.
That's just the most obvious example. There are plenty of others. The Swans, for example, have won way fewer Canberra comp/NEAFL titles than they should have, given the 100+ point thumpings that they regularly hand to Canberra (and now Sydney) amateur/semi-pro sides during the minor round. Whether it's "tanking" is really an arid definitional debate—I'm not suggesting that any individual player is told not to try, or doesn't try. It's just that by September the AFL club's priorities are elsewhere (usually on next year's AFL season, or if the firsts are doing well, on having that team cherry-ripe for finals), and that's reflected in selections, timing of surgery, positional placement, rotations during the game, and just the absence of the general 'win at all costs' ethos at the club, that you need to win finals and in particular GFs.
So, even though $7.50 is great odds compared with the talent of their squad, save your hard-earned on Port Adelaide's reserves winning the SANFL flag. They'll belt a few during the year, but they'll struggle to win a final. As for Adelaide at $9? Forget it. Even though I don't think West will win, if you're a gambler Westies at $21 are the value pick of the bunch, and on what we've seen so far, Centrals at $8 is 'living in the past' optimistic.
SimonH wrote:There's now plenty of recent history to look at, to know what's likely to unfold: Brisbane and Gold Coast reserves in what's now the NEAFL, Sydney and GWS reserves in what was the Canberra comp and is now also the NEAFL, and Collingwood and Geelong were the first of a now fast-growing contingent of AFL reserves sides in the VFL. Of course 2 'traditional' WAFL clubs have gone down the AFL reserves path in 2014 too.Ted E Bear wrote:I am thinking of backing Port for the premiership but I am worried come finals they will put them all in cotton wool.
Their best is generally better than the best of the amateur or semi-pro sides that they play against. But they're very inconsistent, depending mostly on injuries in the AFL squad, and also on the quality of their top-ups. Certainly, they win some flags: Brisbane have won a couple of recent ones in the relatively weaker NEAFL, Swans have won a few a while back, and Geelong have won at least one in the relatively strong VFL. But come finals time they generally underperform compared with their talent and their minor round performance. The reasons have been well documented elsewhere, but the phrase 'cotton wool' sums it up nicely.
GWS' non-performance in their 1SF in the NEAFL 'Eastern Conference' in 2011 against Eastlake deserves to be particularly notorious: a 68 point loss, where their score was doubled, by Eastlake. Eastlake was a team that they'd beaten twice in the minor round (by 62 and 20 points, including just the previous week)—and GWS were also coming into the game as the form side of the comp, on a long winning streak in which they'd beaten competition powerhouses Brisbane reserves, Swans reserves and NT Thunder. This is when GWS' best team was playing in the NEAFL Eastern Conference, as a warm-up to their first year in the AFL in 2012—and so the whole darn squad, from Jeremy Cameron down, got to start their mandatory annual leave, and then get back into pre-season training for the 2012 AFL season, as soon as they bombed out of the NEAFL finals.
That's just the most obvious example. There are plenty of others. The Swans, for example, have won way fewer Canberra comp/NEAFL titles than they should have, given the 100+ point thumpings that they regularly hand to Canberra (and now Sydney) amateur/semi-pro sides during the minor round. Whether it's "tanking" is really an arid definitional debate—I'm not suggesting that any individual player is told not to try, or doesn't try. It's just that by September the AFL club's priorities are elsewhere (usually on next year's AFL season, or if the firsts are doing well, on having that team cherry-ripe for finals), and that's reflected in selections, timing of surgery, positional placement, rotations during the game, and just the absence of the general 'win at all costs' ethos at the club, that you need to win finals and in particular GFs.
So, even though $7.50 is great odds compared with the talent of their squad, save your hard-earned on Port Adelaide's reserves winning the SANFL flag. They'll belt a few during the year, but they'll struggle to win a final. As for Adelaide at $9? Forget it. Even though I don't think West will win, if you're a gambler Westies at $21 are the value pick of the bunch, and on what we've seen so far, Centrals at $8 is 'living in the past' optimistic.
Panther Pack wrote:This whole issue is farcical if Norwood get belted by Port on Thursday night how will Norwood supporters feel, what can be done about it?