marbles wrote:all our ex-players a shining at other clubs
you're right about this. it would hurt, thats for sure!
at least Kurt Tippett has come off the boil somewhat haha
by bennymacca » Mon May 04, 2015 11:08 am
marbles wrote:all our ex-players a shining at other clubs
by marbles » Mon May 04, 2015 11:12 am
bennymacca wrote:That was a problem before mick was there and will be a problem after he as left
by bennymacca » Mon May 04, 2015 11:17 am
by marbles » Mon May 04, 2015 11:20 am
bennymacca wrote:Even that year when they finished 5th i still dont reckon you could ever call them particularly "hard" though, except for Judd.
by marbles » Mon May 04, 2015 11:23 am
by gadj1976 » Mon May 04, 2015 1:30 pm
marbles wrote:Actually rattens last season we finished 10th.
2010 8th Stephen Kernahan Brett Ratten
2011 5th Stephen Kernahan Brett Ratten
2012 10th Stephen Kernahan Brett Ratten
2013 6th Stephen Kernahan Mick Malthouse
2014 13th Mark LoGiudice Mick Malthouse
by gadj1976 » Mon May 04, 2015 1:33 pm
marbles wrote:gadj1976 wrote:I read that Mick is coaching Cas on how to kick. I would've thought that he'd be worth getting a dedicated kicking coach in for. I also noted he hardly got a kick for the Nth Blues on the weekend too. Another one that could leave us if not treated well and coached accordingly.
Marbles, completely agree. Couldn't have said it any better myself.
casbult is the best pack mark in the league, when your coach barely gives you the time of day and chucks you in the ressies, casbult probably feels like he aint gonna get a a game for as long as malthouse in charge. the kids depressed
i cant believe the money travis cloke, and drew petrie would be on, theyd barely get 5 kicks between them. if they get a run, then casbult deserves a chance to shine
by marbles » Mon May 04, 2015 1:36 pm
by gadj1976 » Mon May 04, 2015 1:36 pm
bennymacca wrote:marbles wrote:MJ_23 wrote:Who would be your 7/8 A graders marbles? I think you are being very generous
firstly im a man like most coaches who has belief in his players, have you ever heard malthouse say anything good about any player?
Under a coach who'd wants nothing but the best for his players these boys would reach great heights...
# Judd
# Walker
# Henderson
# Gibbs
# Casbult
# Yarren
# Menzel
# Everitt
# Jamison
# Murphy - although is a shit captain
These boys would shine in any other team, for instance chuck the individual in the Hawthorn side
Under a regime, where the coach or coaches are drilling excellence these boys would flourish
at carlton, bad leaders, bad game structure, and all the players are half asleep, and not even $200,000 a year (average) is making them do their job
Casboult, Yarran, Everitt, Jamison would all struggle to get a game at Hawthorn, let alone flourish. If Shaun Burgoyne can go from an A grade midfielder to a bit part half back flanker (though a very good one) in the Hawks team then it doesnt bode well for the guys you mentioned.
Henderson is nowhere near an A Grader. He would need to kick somewhere near 50 goals a year to even be in the conversation, and his best season he has managed 28.
Aside from Judd who is obviously one of the games greats, but too old to be considered an A grader, Menzel, Walker, Gibbs, Murphy are probably the ones that have the potential to be considered A graders.
But aside from probably walker, all of those would be pretty far below their expectations. Menzel has an excuse because he is still young and has had a few injuries.
The real problem is a lack of leadership. Murphy and Gibbs are the leaders of that club now, and when carlton are 4 goals down they should grab the game by the scruff of the neck and will their teammates to come with them. But they dont. They roll over.
That was a problem before mick was there and will be a problem after he as left
by gadj1976 » Mon May 04, 2015 1:37 pm
marbles wrote:3 options...
# mick retires
# mick gets sacked - enter bomber thompson
# mick decides he wants to coach a coach - like paul roos does with simon goodwin - enter wayne carey?? lol
by marbles » Mon May 04, 2015 1:40 pm
by Rik E Boy » Mon May 04, 2015 3:18 pm
marbles wrote:3 options...
# mick retires
# mick gets sacked - enter bomber thompson
# mick decides he wants to coach a coach - like paul roos does with simon goodwin - enter wayne carey?? lol
by marbles » Mon May 04, 2015 3:32 pm
Rik E Boy wrote:marbles wrote:3 options...
# mick retires
# mick gets sacked - enter bomber thompson
# mick decides he wants to coach a coach - like paul roos does with simon goodwin - enter wayne carey?? lol
Bomber Thompson has gone on record saying he regretted going to Essendon and he should have quit football after leaving Geelong. Now we all know why that was the case and it wouldn't happen at Carlton but I think he would be a long odds to coach again anywhere. Why would he do it? He's seen what has happened to Pagan and Malthouse.
regards,
REB
by carey » Mon May 04, 2015 3:44 pm
marbles wrote:3 options...
# mick retires
# mick gets sacked - enter bomber thompson
# mick decides he wants to coach a coach - like paul roos does with simon goodwin - enter wayne carey?? lol
by gadj1976 » Mon May 04, 2015 8:45 pm
by Rik E Boy » Mon May 04, 2015 11:05 pm
gadj1976 wrote:Add Simpson to that list of A graders. Another one being played out of position for mine.
by marbles » Mon May 04, 2015 11:27 pm
by gadj1976 » Tue May 05, 2015 9:56 am
by Stumps » Tue May 05, 2015 10:30 am
marbles wrote:I watch most Carlton games and I rarely see Simpson, but then all the after talk is only Simpson stood up tonight... Wtf
I've seen him get the ball about 3 times in his career
by bennymacca » Tue May 05, 2015 10:39 am
Stumps wrote:marbles wrote:I watch most Carlton games and I rarely see Simpson, but then all the after talk is only Simpson stood up tonight... Wtf
I've seen him get the ball about 3 times in his career
Way harsh
Simpson is a good solid AFL player, never been an A grader, never will be an A grader
Unfortunately he is judged as if he is an A grader because compared to his team mates he is (even though he is not)
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