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Re: Essendon 2013
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:09 pmby am Bays
stan wrote:dedja wrote:Jim05 wrote:Q. wrote:If Ahmed Saad is getting rubbed out for over a year, surely these infraction notices will be the full penalty as well?!
I believe the differance is Saad returned 2 positive tests. No Essendon player has ever returned a positive test.
Also the penalty will be reduced thanks to Essendon coming forward.
Would be surprised if players copped the full 2 years
Lance Armstrong never returned a positive test either ...
Actually Im pretty sure he did and thats how it all got started and unravelled.
Nope, he failed a couple of A samples but things allegedly happened to the B samples so that he could never officially "fail" a drug test
Re: Essendon 2013
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:33 pmby dedja
Correctdamundo ...
Re: Essendon 2013
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:04 pmby stan
am Bays wrote:stan wrote:dedja wrote:Jim05 wrote:[quote="Q."]If Ahmed Saad is getting rubbed out for over a year, surely these infraction notices will be the full penalty as well?!
I believe the differance is Saad returned 2 positive tests. No Essendon player has ever returned a positive test.
Also the penalty will be reduced thanks to Essendon coming forward.
Would be surprised if players copped the full 2 years
Lance Armstrong never returned a positive test either ...
Actually Im pretty sure he did and thats how it all got started and unravelled.
Nope, he failed a couple of A samples but things allegedly happened to the B samples so that he could never officially "fail" a drug test[/quote]
Fair enough. Learn something new everyday.
Essendon 2013
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:29 pmby Jim05
In some good news for the club all of our major sponsors have signed on and Fujitsu just signed a very lucrative 4 year deal today that will see them be a co-major partner, rumoured to be around $1.7m/year
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:44 amby stan
Jim05 wrote:In some good news for the club all of our major sponsors have signed on and Fujitsu just signed a very lucrative 4 year deal today that will see them be a co-major partner, rumoured to be around $1.7m/year
lol so far this issue is really hurting you isnt it.
Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:24 amby Jim05
stan wrote:Jim05 wrote:In some good news for the club all of our major sponsors have signed on and Fujitsu just signed a very lucrative 4 year deal today that will see them be a co-major partner, rumoured to be around $1.7m/year
lol so far this issue is really hurting you isnt it.
Will only hurt if/when players are suspended.
Off field things are going great considering whats happened. The 3 major sponsors are tipping in about $5.2m/year for the next 4 years, we have just moved to what is probably the best facilities in Australia and membership should get to over 60k. Now just need to get the team winning some games
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:00 amby daysofourlives
stan wrote:Jim05 wrote:In some good news for the club all of our major sponsors have signed on and Fujitsu just signed a very lucrative 4 year deal today that will see them be a co-major partner, rumoured to be around $1.7m/year
lol so far this issue is really hurting you isnt it.
Would be driving WADA insane that the club has suffered no hardship. As it does me.
Hoping they are working harder than ever to deliver individual penalties that will hurt the club.
The way Essenscum have handled this would be like a red rag to a bull for WADA.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:17 amby MatteeG
Jim05 wrote:In some good news for the club all of our major sponsors have signed on and Fujitsu just signed a very lucrative 4 year deal today that will see them be a co-major partner, rumoured to be around $1.7m/year
Does Tubby Taylor come as part of the sponsorship? ALA the Kat at GWS?
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:43 amby Jim05
daysofourlives wrote:stan wrote:Jim05 wrote:In some good news for the club all of our major sponsors have signed on and Fujitsu just signed a very lucrative 4 year deal today that will see them be a co-major partner, rumoured to be around $1.7m/year
lol so far this issue is really hurting you isnt it.
Would be driving WADA insane that the club has suffered no hardship. As it does me.
Hoping they are working harder than ever to deliver individual penalties that will hurt the club.
The way Essenscum have handled this would be like a red rag to a bull for WADA.
What do you mean no hardship, kicked out of finals and with the draft restrictions cant see us being an onfield force for 5 years atleast.
We are a big club so financial penalties were never going to hurt or cripple the club like many doomsayers were predicting. If anything it has galvanised the supporters with record numbers already signed up and record donations being received by the club. Was also revealed yesterday that Essendon were the most watched side for the season so Andy D would be rubbing his hands together in anticipation of next year
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:40 pmby daysofourlives
So your season was cut short by one week, big deal.
Would love to see your numbers if you had to play for a season for no points, not just one game.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:41 pmby Squids
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:57 pmby woodublieve12
Good to see the bombers trying to do all the right things
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:39 pmby Turbo
Re: Essendon 2013
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Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:40 pmby Spargo
You angelic carlton flogs make me laugh.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:39 pmby dedja
oopsies ...
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6774538768EXCLUSIVE: SECRET documents and a bombshell email have lifted the lid on behind-the-scenes inducements offered to Essendon and James Hird as the AFL worked frantically to pressure him to accept drugs scandal penalties.
The Herald Sun can reveal that days before the August 26-27 AFL Commission hearing was due to consider penalties, deals were being proposed by Australia's top government-appointed sports official, John Wylie.
A document emailed by Wylie to Essendon chairman Paul Little on the night of August 23 outlined potential settlement terms as the crisis threatened to spill into the Supreme Court.
Wylie, the Australian Sports Commission chairman, suggests: "Hird as senior coach takes responsibility for the inadequate governance and oversight within the club's football department that gave rise to this situation.
"It is however acknowledged …. to the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief, Hird did not promote or encourage an unethical environment within the club; Hird has not brought the game into disrepute.
"In the totality of the circumstances, the AFL will impose, and Hird will accept, a 12-month suspension from all coaching duties."
In a separate document presented to Hird on August 23, amid negotiations between Wylie and Little, the Essendon coach is offered "an outstanding career development opportunity" in return for dropping his legal action against the AFL.
Offers of "no player sanctions'' and "no double jeopardy'' despite an ASADA investigation are discussed.
Wylie said last night: "I was requested by both Paul Little and (AFL Commission chairman) Mike Fitzpatrick, in the first instance by Paul, to assist in communications between the AFL and Essendon at a time when direct communication between them was difficult."
League spokesman James Tonkin said last night: "Numerous discussions took place at different levels in a bid to resolve the matter as quickly and appropriately as possible."
An offer to allow Hird to receive a full salary while serving a 12-month ban was also discussed.
The document presented to the Essendon coach reads: "Charge of bringing game into disrepute dropped. 12 months suspension starting now.''
It states Hird could also keep his place in the AFL Hall of Fame and be "acknowledged by the AFL as a legend of the game".
In exchange for the offers, the document says Hird therefore "withdraws all legal action immediately".
A string of revelations to be published in the Herald Sun and The Australian over the coming days raises major perception issues surrounding the integrity and the outcome of both the drugs probe and the AFL Commission hearing.
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou said on August 7: "To suggest the AFL Commission and the people on the commission would somehow predetermine an outcome is offensive and just plain wrong."
Essendon chairman Paul Little says outgoing coach James Hird accepted the penalties for the good of the club.
It is not known if all AFL commissioners were aware of Wylie's involvement or of proposed inducements at the time they were asked to sign off on the final resolution against Essendon and its four officials on August 27.
Little last night confirmed the talks with Wylie. He said: ``John Wylie is a longstanding personal friend and we discussed possible strategies for settling the dispute.''
Hird is understood to have rebuffed the inducements put on the table on August 23, only to accept a 12-month suspension four days later under fierce pressure and fearing that he would be banished from the game and his club.
There were also discussions about sending Hird to Oxford University in England, where both Wylie and Fitzpatrick are Rhodes scholars.
Hird later independently applied to attend the exclusive Fontainebleau business school in France, passing an entrance exam in Singapore. He has just returned from his $120,000 MBA studies.
Sources have questioned why Wylie as chairman of the Sports Commission - which works with the Australian Sports and Anti-Doping Authority to fight drug cheating and which promotes integrity in sport - was drafted into pre-hearing bartering with the approval of AFL Commission chairman Fitzpatrick.
Proposed penalties for Mark Thompson, Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran are also stated in correspondence, with Thompson cleared to coach again in 2014.
A club fine of $1.5 million and the deduction of 12 premiership points "so as to miss the finals" are also documented. The club was ultimately fined $2 million and relegated to ninth on the AFL ladder.
Hird and Fitzpatrick did not return questions from the Herald Sun.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:00 pmby Jim05
I told you the corrupt fat Greek prick would be caught out eventually.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:34 amby whufc
Jim05 wrote:I told you the corrupt fat Greek prick would be caught out eventually.
yep anyone who didnt think there were deals going on behind the scenes were very naive.
The fat greek is just as corrupt as the IOC and FIFA presidents.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:20 amby Turbo
whufc wrote:Jim05 wrote:I told you the corrupt fat Greek prick would be caught out eventually.
yep anyone who didnt think there were deals going on behind the scenes were very naive.
The fat greek is just as corrupt as the IOC and FIFA presidents.
Yeah nothing new here. Vlad needs to 'please explain' then resign.
Documents conveniently leaked to the HUN who was the media of choice of the Essendon spin doctors.
All this suggests is that infraction notices must be imminent.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:22 amby stan
Turbo wrote:whufc wrote:Jim05 wrote:I told you the corrupt fat Greek prick would be caught out eventually.
yep anyone who didnt think there were deals going on behind the scenes were very naive.
The fat greek is just as corrupt as the IOC and FIFA presidents.
Yeah nothing new here. Vlad needs to 'please explain' then resign.
Documents conveniently leaked to the HUN who was the media of choice of the Essendon spin doctors.
All this suggests is that infraction notices must be imminent.
Sounds like something is about to pop.
Re: Essendon 2013
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:12 amby Rik E Boy
Just because Vlad is sticking to the traditional AFL drugs procedure of sweeping it under the carpert doesn't mean that Essendon or Hird aren't a bunch of cheats. The AFL comisson has bent over and taken it up the poop chute as soon as the golden haired boy threatened to call the lawyers. The way the AFL has handled, or rather not handled this situation is arguably a bigger issue than the original indiscretion by the Essendon Football Club.
You have to think that truly independent bodies will take a dim view of the way the Vlad administration has given Hird and Essendon a sound thrashing with a wet lettuce leaf.
regards,
REB
