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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:43 am
by stan
Arguing with Morrell is like rolling around with a pig in mud. After an hour or so you understand that the pig likes it.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:48 am
by morell
This is true.

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:53 am
by bennymacca
morell wrote:Coaches votes are biased? How so? Why would Adam Simpson give Ryder ~4.5 votes? What possible benefit does he receive?


A biased statistic is one that is correlated with the other statistics. Nobody is getting 5 coaches votes if they got zero kicks or hit outs so it would be strongly correlated with the other statistics

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:55 am
by bennymacca
stan wrote:Arguing with Morrell is like rolling around with a pig in mud. After an hour or so you understand that the pig likes it.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:00 am
by morell
bennymacca wrote:
morell wrote:Coaches votes are biased? How so? Why would Adam Simpson give Ryder ~4.5 votes? What possible benefit does he receive?


A biased statistic is one that is correlated with the other statistics. Nobody is getting 5 coaches votes if they got zero kicks or hit outs so it would be strongly correlated with the other statistics
Well of course. I'm not arguing that these data points aren't related. We're trying to remove their biases by aggregating and weighting them. That's the whole point!

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:01 am
by Lightning McQueen
stan wrote:Arguing with Morrell is like rolling around with a pig in mud. After an hour or so you understand that the pig likes it.

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Where is @Wedgie when you want him around?

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:02 am
by morell
Ruck SWARM v2!

Removed Disposal effiency and goals - cos reasons. Added SEN Votes. Used a slightly different standard dev measure as well.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:07 am
by morell
When you add it all together. It's about as irrefutable as you can get.

Ryder is the best ruck in the comp as per the empirical ruck stats and aggregated anecdotal expert opinion.

I'll leave ya'll do it. I need to do some work.

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:09 am
by Lightning McQueen
morell wrote:When you add it all together. It's about as irrefutable as you can get.

Ryder is the best ruck in the comp as per the empirical ruck stats and aggregated anecdotal expert opinion.

I'll leave ya'll do it. I need to do some work.

Thanks for leaving ;)

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:10 am
by mots02
I liked it when people could just have an opinion on footy based on what they saw, what they valued, you know - based on their own footy instinct?

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:21 am
by bennymacca
mots02 wrote:I liked it when people could just have an opinion on footy based on what they saw, what they valued, you know - based on their own footy instinct?


Sorry mate that era is long gone

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:31 am
by Lightning McQueen
bennymacca wrote:
mots02 wrote:I liked it when people could just have an opinion on footy based on what they saw, what they valued, you know - based on their own footy instinct?


Sorry mate that era is long gone


73% of football followers believe so.

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:36 am
by mots02
bennymacca wrote:
mots02 wrote:I liked it when people could just have an opinion on footy based on what they saw, what they valued, you know - based on their own footy instinct?


Sorry mate that era is long gone


not in my world its not

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:42 am
by bertiebeatle
**** me there is a lot of crap on here! I know footy and sport in general means a lot to us all but gee, this is taking it to the next level!

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:53 am
by amber_fluid
Lightning McQueen wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
mots02 wrote:I liked it when people could just have an opinion on footy based on what they saw, what they valued, you know - based on their own footy instinct?


Sorry mate that era is long gone


73% of football followers believe so.


Show us your source data and the z factor relating to your stat otherwise I don't believe you ;)

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:53 am
by Dogwatcher
Lightning McQueen wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
mots02 wrote:I liked it when people could just have an opinion on footy based on what they saw, what they valued, you know - based on their own footy instinct?


Sorry mate that era is long gone


73% of football followers believe so.


Did you make that up?

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:52 pm
by Lightning McQueen
amber_fluid wrote:
Show us your source data and the z factor relating to your stat otherwise I don't believe you ;)

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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:53 pm
by Lightning McQueen
Dogwatcher wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
mots02 wrote:I liked it when people could just have an opinion on footy based on what they saw, what they valued, you know - based on their own footy instinct?


Sorry mate that era is long gone


73% of football followers believe so.


Did you make that up?


I make things up 12% of the time, not on this occasion, I think.

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:54 pm
by amber_fluid
Lightning McQueen wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Show us your source data and the z factor relating to your stat otherwise I don't believe you ;)

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Where's the X factor......... ummm err I mean Z factor? ;)

Re: Port Adelaide 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:12 pm
by Trader
morell wrote:Ruck SWARM v2!

Removed Disposal effiency and goals - cos reasons. Added SEN Votes. Used a slightly different standard dev measure as well.

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20+10+10+20+20 =/= 100