Port Adelaide 2017

[Dutchy]

Again this week, nobody on the PAFC injury list. Full complement to pick from.

This fact plus Melbourne coming back from Darwin and out of legs in last 1/4, makes the loss very disappointing I would have thought...yep Im talking thru my wallet also

[MW]

just another team who got ahead of themselves

[carey]

just another team who got ahead of themselves

Why cant it be just the fact that Melbourne were hungrier for the contest and played a fantastic brand of aggressive footy especially early on when the game was there to win????

[mots02]

just another team who got ahead of themselves

Why cant it be just the fact that Melbourne were hungrier for the contest and played a fantastic brand of aggressive footy especially early on when the game was there to win????

I'm pretty sure this might be in reference to Kane Cornes using the 'got ahead of themselves' line for Richmond a couple of weeks ago

[morell]

Melbourne were too good early, but FFS their tactics haven't exactly been a secret. They push an extra at the contest, sometimes two, use quick hands when they invariably win the clearance with their numbers and then rush forward with the flight ... rinse and repeat. Goodwin is known for it. It's high intensity and not sustainable but Port dun goofed by not addressing that in the first quarter by matching their numbers. I think I saw a stat in the first quarter where 3 Demon players had more clearances than the entire Port Adelaide team!

Port didn't bring it early and a better effort might have seen less of a head start and then it's a different ball game. But we were out-coached as well.

Ahh well, top 4 will be tough now with Richmond winning and Sydney on fire. Have to win pretty much every game.

[morell]

Not wanting to sound like UK but is it a concern that Port Adelaide only pull larger crowds to away games than Gold Coast and GWS this year?
I know they've been trying hard to appeal nationally (and internationally) but it doesn't seem to be working despite being a good side.
Or is it a quirk of the draw so far this year?

No, it's not a concern I wouldn't have thought. We average almost exactly the same away crowd as the Crows - 24974 vs 25457.

It's as much to do with the nature of the two SA teams travelling interstate (often to Melbourne) every second week and thus not being able to have a horde of fans every time. For say a Collingwood or Carlton fan, they're in Melbourne for 15 weeks of the year, their away games might be 2 to Sydney, 2 to Brisbane, 1 to Adelaide and 1 to Perth - so the opportunities for travel and "away days" are scarcer and thus more attractive.

If you're on a budget or wanted a quick footy trip from Melbourne, Adelaide with its new oval and affordability would be a high priority right? So both Adelaide and Port benefited from those once or twice a year Victorian travelling fans of the big clubs. It's actually quite significant - those who went most weeks in 2014, like me, would've noticed there was always a large contingency of away fans adding 5% to the crowd.

So two things - SA fans are weary of travelling and Vic fans boosted our numbers in the first year or two of AO.

[Wedgie]

Not wanting to sound like UK but is it a concern that Port Adelaide only pull larger crowds to away games than Gold Coast and GWS this year?
I know they've been trying hard to appeal nationally (and internationally) but it doesn't seem to be working despite being a good side.
Or is it a quirk of the draw so far this year?

No, it's not a concern I wouldn't have thought. We average almost exactly the same away crowd as the Crows - 24974 vs 25457.

It's as much to do with the nature of the two SA teams travelling interstate (often to Melbourne) every second week and thus not being able to have a horde of fans every time. For say a Collingwood or Carlton fan, they're in Melbourne for 15 weeks of the year, their away games might be 2 to Sydney, 2 to Brisbane, 1 to Adelaide and 1 to Perth - so the opportunities for travel and "away days" are scarcer and thus more attractive.

If you're on a budget or wanted a quick footy trip from Melbourne, Adelaide with its new oval and affordability would be a high priority right? So both Adelaide and Port benefited from those once or twice a year Victorian travelling fans of the big clubs. It's actually quite significant - those who went most weeks in 2014, like me, would've noticed there was always a large contingency of away fans adding 5% to the crowd.

So two things - SA fans are weary of travelling and Vic fans boosted our numbers in the first year or two of AO.

Why would West Coast and Freo average more than 5k more? Surely more fans would travel from Adelaide than Perth to Melbourne?
Good point about the Crows, I wasn't aware their away crowds were so bad and I'd imagine if you take the China game out of the equation Port would probably be in front of them.

[PatowalongaPirate]

It's all relevant to who you play and where. You could take out the China game, but you could also take out the game in Tassie for the crows.

With games away against Collingwood and Essendon to come it is fair to say that the Crows away crowd figures will swell.

[morell]

Not wanting to sound like UK but is it a concern that Port Adelaide only pull larger crowds to away games than Gold Coast and GWS this year?
I know they've been trying hard to appeal nationally (and internationally) but it doesn't seem to be working despite being a good side.
Or is it a quirk of the draw so far this year?

No, it's not a concern I wouldn't have thought. We average almost exactly the same away crowd as the Crows - 24974 vs 25457.

It's as much to do with the nature of the two SA teams travelling interstate (often to Melbourne) every second week and thus not being able to have a horde of fans every time. For say a Collingwood or Carlton fan, they're in Melbourne for 15 weeks of the year, their away games might be 2 to Sydney, 2 to Brisbane, 1 to Adelaide and 1 to Perth - so the opportunities for travel and "away days" are scarcer and thus more attractive.

If you're on a budget or wanted a quick footy trip from Melbourne, Adelaide with its new oval and affordability would be a high priority right? So both Adelaide and Port benefited from those once or twice a year Victorian travelling fans of the big clubs. It's actually quite significant - those who went most weeks in 2014, like me, would've noticed there was always a large contingency of away fans adding 5% to the crowd.

So two things - SA fans are weary of travelling and Vic fans boosted our numbers in the first year or two of AO.

Why would West Coast and Freo average more than 5k more? Surely more fans would travel from Adelaide than Perth to Melbourne?
Good point about the Crows, I wasn't aware their away crowds were so bad and I'd imagine if you take the China game out of the equation Port would probably be in front of them.

Because they have both got to play Adelaide and Port at AO for crowds of 38k, 38k and 42k and have had 2x Derbys for away crowds of 40k and 38k respectively.

It's all in the subtleties. Adelaide played North in Tassie in front of 10k, Freo played North at Docklands in front of 19k.

If anything, I actually think Port and the Crows get a raw deal because the AFL knows they will get a reasonable crowd no matter what, so tend to chuck the shittier teams and time slots our way and then boost the struggling Vic teams with cherry ripe schedules as there is more upside.

[cracka]

Not wanting to sound like UK but is it a concern that Port Adelaide only pull larger crowds to away games than Gold Coast and GWS this year?
I know they've been trying hard to appeal nationally (and internationally) but it doesn't seem to be working despite being a good side.
Or is it a quirk of the draw so far this year?

No, it's not a concern I wouldn't have thought. We average almost exactly the same away crowd as the Crows - 24974 vs 25457.

It's as much to do with the nature of the two SA teams travelling interstate (often to Melbourne) every second week and thus not being able to have a horde of fans every time. For say a Collingwood or Carlton fan, they're in Melbourne for 15 weeks of the year, their away games might be 2 to Sydney, 2 to Brisbane, 1 to Adelaide and 1 to Perth - so the opportunities for travel and "away days" are scarcer and thus more attractive.

If you're on a budget or wanted a quick footy trip from Melbourne, Adelaide with its new oval and affordability would be a high priority right? So both Adelaide and Port benefited from those once or twice a year Victorian travelling fans of the big clubs. It's actually quite significant - those who went most weeks in 2014, like me, would've noticed there was always a large contingency of away fans adding 5% to the crowd.

So two things - SA fans are weary of travelling and Vic fans boosted our numbers in the first year or two of AO.

Why would West Coast and Freo average more than 5k more? Surely more fans would travel from Adelaide than Perth to Melbourne?
Good point about the Crows, I wasn't aware their away crowds were so bad and I'd imagine if you take the China game out of the equation Port would probably be in front of them.

Because they have both got to play Adelaide and Port at AO for crowds of 38k, 38k and 42k and have had 2x Derbys for away crowds of 40k and 38k respectively.

It's all in the subtleties. Adelaide played North in Tassie in front of 10k, Freo played North at Docklands in front of 19k.

If anything, I actually think Port and the Crows get a raw deal because the AFL knows they will get a reasonable crowd no matter what, so tend to chuck the shittier teams and time slots our way and then boost the struggling Vic teams with cherry ripe schedules as there is more upside.

Plus Port have to play WB in Ballarat where the capacity is only 12000?

[Booney]

Plus Port have to play WB in Ballarat where the capacity is only 12000?

And I'll be there and I'm looking forward to a road trip with the lad that weekend, also hoping we're still in the hunt for a top 4 spot then!

[morell]

Yeah that will drop it down as well. I don't think Port or the Crows give a shit though. Doesn't really affect us directly.

What I would like to know is why away teams fans have stopped coming to AO in such large numbers as previous years. Personally speaking I would go as far as introducing an actual marketing and incentive program for attracting away fans. Be it deals with hotels, restaurants, the Casino - even book out sections of Adelaide Oval for events and sell that too. They might already be doing this ...

[Booney]

Yeah that will drop it down as well. I don't think Port or the Crows give a shit though. Doesn't really affect us directly.

What I would like to know is why away teams fans have stopped coming to AO in such large numbers as previous years. Personally speaking I would go as far as introducing an actual marketing and incentive program for attracting away fans. Be it deals with hotels, restaurants, the Casino - even book out sections of Adelaide Oval for events and sell that too. They might already be doing this ...

Two years ago is was a fortress for both sides, not so much this season but it had been in the previous couple.

Adelaide have had :

Richmond Sunday twilight
Hawthorn Thursday night
Bulldogs / Giants / Saints / Fremantle ( among others )

Port have had :

Fremantle Sunday twilight
Hawthorn Thursday night
West Coast / Brisbane / North ( among others )

Both sides missed out on some fans with the Thursday night fixtures and have all had some of the lower pulling* teams come and visit.

[Jim05]

Yeah that will drop it down as well. I don't think Port or the Crows give a shit though. Doesn't really affect us directly.

What I would like to know is why away teams fans have stopped coming to AO in such large numbers as previous years. Personally speaking I would go as far as introducing an actual marketing and incentive program for attracting away fans. Be it deals with hotels, restaurants, the Casino - even book out sections of Adelaide Oval for events and sell that too. They might already be doing this ...

Because both of your clubs allow bugger all seating for the opposition supporters. I know for the Essendon game earlier in the year we were allocated 200 tickets behind the Northern goals only. Any other fans coming over had to chance their luck in GA and get seated wherever there was spare seats around the ground

[bennymacca]

Crows also played in Darwin too which significantly lowered their away average

I do agree that the AFL treats AO for granted though - it is definitely not acknowledged how good the crowds are for both port and the crows for lower drawing teams - similar games against melbourne teams in melbourne are usually terribly attended

[Booney]

Crows also played in Darwin too which significantly lowered their away average

I do agree that the AFL treats AO for granted though - it is definitely not acknowledged how good the crowds are for both port and the crows for lower drawing teams - similar games against melbourne teams in melbourne are usually terribly attended

Absolutely, the AFL trust Port / Adelaide members to roll up, thus we generally get a bum share of shitty time slots. It's a back handed compliment.

( 22,000 for Collingwood v West coast yesterday under the roof ).

[morell]

Yeah that will drop it down as well. I don't think Port or the Crows give a shit though. Doesn't really affect us directly.

What I would like to know is why away teams fans have stopped coming to AO in such large numbers as previous years. Personally speaking I would go as far as introducing an actual marketing and incentive program for attracting away fans. Be it deals with hotels, restaurants, the Casino - even book out sections of Adelaide Oval for events and sell that too. They might already be doing this ...

Because both of your clubs allow bugger all seating for the opposition supporters. I know for the Essendon game earlier in the year we were allocated 200 tickets behind the Northern goals only. Any other fans coming over had to chance their luck in GA and get seated wherever there was spare seats around the ground

How is this managed at other grounds? For the SCG we just booked (quite expensive) seats in the outer. Every away game we've just done that. It hasn't been coordinated at all. We were right in amongst all the Swans fans - who were great BTW putting up with us - wouldn't have been easy!

If it were up to me, I would book out every seat behind the northern goals all the way to the west to the Members area solely and only for away fans first and foremost. Create a deal with other stakeholders for special rates and actually market and sell it. We could position the club as the most welcoming for supporters (not players haha) to come and watch footy...

[bennymacca]

Crows also played in Darwin too which significantly lowered their away average

I do agree that the AFL treats AO for granted though - it is definitely not acknowledged how good the crowds are for both port and the crows for lower drawing teams - similar games against melbourne teams in melbourne are usually terribly attended

Absolutely, the AFL trust Port / Adelaide members to roll up, thus we generally get a bum share of shitty time slots. It's a back handed compliment.

( 22,000 for Collingwood v West coast yesterday under the roof ).

Crows have had amazing timeslots this year, so cant complain about that.

We will get three sunday home games - GWS, Richmond and Port

All the rest have been Thursday (Which the crows ask for), Friday or Saturday nights.

Port have had a few dodgy ones this year, but that should improve again next year with their improved form

[morell]

it is definitely not acknowledged how good the crowds are for both port and the crows for lower drawing teams - similar games against melbourne teams in melbourne are usually terribly attended

@UK Fan

[morell]

bennymacca on fire ITT, about time.