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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Killa » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:23 pm

SUNSHINE Coast prop James Ackerman has passed away this afternoon, two days after being felled in a tackle in Brisbane.


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How much did this affect the decision on Gibbs tackle?
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:25 pm

I just saw the tackle then for the first time, and I think the penalty is about right. There was absolutely no need for him to go with that second movement, and once you do that you wear the consequences i think.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby RustyCage » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:34 pm

If Gibbs brought Gray to the ground in the one tackling motion he would have been fine, but it was the second part of the tackle where he accelerated him to the ground is where he went wrong
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby kneedeepinthehoopla » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:39 pm

I'm not sure the umpire had blown his whistle before Gibbs and Gray hit the ground?
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:40 am

Killa wrote:
SUNSHINE Coast prop James Ackerman has passed away this afternoon, two days after being felled in a tackle in Brisbane.


http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/sunshin ... 7409583572


How much did this affect the decision on Gibbs tackle?

Zero I'd imagine.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Dogwatcher » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:47 am

There are loads of tackles like this in every round - where the tackler brings a player to ground with force.
Did this one only come up for suspension as the tackled player was injured?
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:58 am

Dogwatcher wrote:There are loads of tackles like this in every round - where the tackler brings a player to ground with force.
Did this one only come up for suspension as the tackled player was injured?

Yes.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:00 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:There are loads of tackles like this in every round - where the tackler brings a player to ground with force.
Did this one only come up for suspension as the tackled player was injured?

Yes.

It's the nature of the beast now, if you inflict injury on an opponent through a tackle or bump, expect to be suspended.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Spargo » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:20 am

Being suspended for the result rather than action is just plain wrong.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:26 am

Spargo wrote:Being suspended for the result rather than action is just plain wrong.

Sure is.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:57 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Spargo wrote:Being suspended for the result rather than action is just plain wrong.

Sure is.


So let's take striking then - should a glancing punch that hardly even touches the guy should be penalised the same as Barry hall's punch against staker?
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:05 am

bennymacca wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Spargo wrote:Being suspended for the result rather than action is just plain wrong.

Sure is.


So let's take striking then - should a glancing punch that hardly even touches the guy should be penalised the same as Barry hall's punch against staker?

No.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:14 am

So then the consequences of an action do matter.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Jim05 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:18 am

bennymacca wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Spargo wrote:Being suspended for the result rather than action is just plain wrong.

Sure is.


So let's take striking then - should a glancing punch that hardly even touches the guy should be penalised the same as Barry hall's punch against staker?

Didnt Yarran get 3 or 4 for grazing Chappy with a punch?
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby marbles » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:22 am

Rowes tackle on that kid over the boundary was just as bad, double pumped him

but no knockout, so no suspension, total bs match review panel

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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Spargo » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:28 am

bennymacca wrote:So then the consequences of an action do matter.

If there ARE consequences then sure- if there aren't any however, the action seems irrelevant.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:30 am

bennymacca wrote:So then the consequences of an action do matter.

Apparently so.

It comes down to intent, where the contact was made, impact and did it cause the player to require medical attention.

I'm not sure what you are getting at?

It is of my opinion that if a player suffers a head injury from a tackle or bump, he is most likely going to receive a penalty.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:31 am

Spargo wrote:
bennymacca wrote:So then the consequences of an action do matter.

If there ARE consequences then sure- if there aren't any however, the action seems irrelevant.

Something like that, there's no play on words.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:33 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
bennymacca wrote:So then the consequences of an action do matter.

Apparently so.

It comes down to intent, where the contact was made, impact and did it cause the player to require medical attention.

I'm not sure what you are getting at?

It is of my opinion that if a player suffers a head injury from a tackle or bump, he is most likely going to receive a penalty.


I agree but some others, including Jonathan brown, have been saying that if the player didn't get hurt there wouldn't have been a case to answer so therefore suspending him is wrong, but I disagree with that. If you do something risky and that player gets hurt then you wear it.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:39 am

bennymacca wrote:
I agree but some others, including Jonathan brown, have been saying that if the player didn't get hurt there wouldn't have been a case to answer so therefore suspending him is wrong, but I disagree with that. If you do something risky and that player gets hurt then you wear it.

I thought that's what I had said.

I'm the same, I don't agree with it, it is quite obvious though.
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