which team is the real port ?

[am Bays]

okay now for a salary cap thread.....

[JamesH]

I'll explain for the umpteenth time.
I too used to think like the last 3 posters, ie PAMFC = New Club, PAFC = Old Club
But its not so.
The official legal documents how that the PAFC changed its name to the PAMFC in 1996 so a new entity could inherit the PAFC name.
So in essence the Port Adelaide Football Club ie Power are an entity created in 1996.
The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club are an entity that have been around since 1870 BUT they changed their name legally in 1996 from the PAFC to the PAMFC.
It was the only way it could be done.
ie players that had contracts with the PAFC in 1995 still had the same contract in 1996, they didn't need to sign new ones as it was the same business/club/entity they were playing for.
HOWEVER and to prove the point, players who played with the PAFC in 1995 (known as the Magpies) and played for the PAFC in 1996 (known as the Power) DID require new contracts as they were being employed by a completely new business/club/entity.
End of discussion.

Wedgie is right....

Look at the 96 and 97 Port Adelaide (SANFL) reports. Its states that the PAFC members voted to change their name in Dec 96. The clubs assets were then handed over to the Power.

So they screwed themselves

Reality is that both clubs have a shared history.... although the AFL yearbook states PAFC formed in 1996

[pipers]

Hooray for Wedgie.

WARBLE WARBLE WARBLE WARDLE WARBLE!!!!!

[bayman]

i know we've had this discussion before but i can't find it, if someone can (please dutchy) merge this with it

i believe (rightly or wrongly) that the magpies are the real port & the afl franchise is just that a franchise using the port name


the one puzzling question i have is if the port (afl team) is the 140 year old club why didn't (not that he would have played or will play sanfl footy) andrew macleod & numerous others of his vintage go into the sanfl mini draft if the magpies are the new club ?

[McAlmanac]

The real Port Adelaide is the one that uses David Arnfield as a runner.

[Mark_Beswick]

PAMFC Inc, have the association number A1764, which was issued in 1951. All they did was change their name from PAFC to PAMFC at the end of 1996. They still have this association number, how can an incorporated club take someone elses licence if they are new?

PAFC (AFL) Ltd, ACN 068 839 547 was registered in 1995 and changed their name to PAFC Ltd after the Magpies changed theirs.


One could try and argue both new clubs as well

Another interesting argument was that PAFC changed their name during the SANFL season. If they were a new club then why weren't their premiership points scrubbed when they changed to the Magpies meaning they would have missed the SANFL finals and not won a GF.

My stats have the PAMFC starting in 1870 and the Power when they started in the AFL

[Psyber]

PAMFC Inc, have the association number A1764, which was issued in 1951. All they did was change their name from PAFC to PAMFC at the end of 1996. They still have this association number, how can an incorporated club take someone elses licence if they are new?

PAFC (AFL) Ltd, ACN 068 839 547 was registered in 1995 and changed their name to PAFC Ltd after the Magpies changed theirs.

From my perspective that determines that PAMFC Inc is the original club, and that the Power have to accept themselves as a subsidiary branch of that club if they want to lay claim to any roots prior to 1995.
I still think the Power may have mustered more general public support if they had declared themselves a new club in 1995, and not tried to hang on to the old Port Adelaide connection.
I tend to support the Power against anyone but the Crows, but would never support the Magpies, and I back away from the Power a bit every time they resume asserting the old connection.

[mal]

Port Adelaide 1870
Port Power1997

One of them are imposters
And its the team that started when NW win thier last flag

[Wedgie]

PAMFC Inc, have the association number A1764, which was issued in 1951. All they did was change their name from PAFC to PAMFC at the end of 1996. They still have this association number, how can an incorporated club take someone elses licence if they are new?

PAFC (AFL) Ltd, ACN 068 839 547 was registered in 1995 and changed their name to PAFC Ltd after the Magpies changed theirs.


One could try and argue both new clubs as well

Another interesting argument was that PAFC changed their name during the SANFL season. If they were a new club then why weren't their premiership points scrubbed when they changed to the Magpies meaning they would have missed the SANFL finals and not won a GF.

My stats have the PAMFC starting in 1870 and the Power when they started in the AFL

Spot on, I was under the misaprehension that the Power were the real Port for a number of years until these facts were put to me.
Add to that the players who played for the Magpies in 95 didn't need to negotiate new contracts with the Magpies in 96 yet players who left the Magpies in 95 and played with the Power in 96 did.
Its pretty straight forward.

[jointman]

Depends which way you look at it to me Port Adelaide Power is the old Port Adelaide started in 1870 and the Port Adelaide Magpies Started in 1997 when the Power entered the AFL.

i thought it was port adelaide magpies that started at 1870...and power started in 97.....