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Postby RustyCage » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:10 am

Wedgie wrote:
pafc1870 wrote:
Punk Rooster wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
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Punk Rooster wrote:Mighty Bays?
4 Flags (39, 73, 85, 86)
Sensational effort fellas, keep dominating the competition =D>


1934
Glenelg 18.15 (123) beat Ports 16.18 (114)
...Talk about the 'Great Depression' eh? :lol:
The other 75% of Tiger Premiership Glory was against your mob! :wink:
Mind you, the Bays have lost 12 grand Finals in their 80+ year history...
(only 1 of them to the Roosters tho!)


When you beat Port in two Grand Finals in a row come and talk to me. ;)
even then, unless you can back that up with a Champions of Australia trophy, I wouldn't even bother!


And go through the season undefeated in winning the Champions of Australia trophy.


BAh, come talk to me when you keep a side to 1 goal 6 points in a GF like we did to Port in 1905.
To this day I still can't believe Port supporters got excited about being 2nd best and keeping North to 1 goal 8 points in a GF.
I can only assume they have less in their lives to get excited about than regular people? :lol: :wink:


Quite the opposite! My memories of the 1905 GF are a bit hazy, I cant remember if I was there or had something else on that day. 1989 I remember quite well, and the "Im Sorry" headline in the paper the next day.

Oh well, no shame in losing to Port.
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Postby Punk Rooster » Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:52 am

pafc1870 wrote:And go through the season undefeated in winning the Champions of Australia trophy.

Port never won an Official Champions of Australia trophy- only 4 clubs ever did. The others were unofficial, or not ratified, due to not having representation of all states.
1972- North Adelaide
1973- Richmond
1974- Richmond
1975- North Melbourne
source- http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/champion ... tralia.htm

interesting to note that the NFL chose Adelaide to host the series continually.
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Postby Ian » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:03 am

That would be 3 clubs, North Adelaide, Richmond & North Melbourne, Richmond won it twice.
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Postby Punk Rooster » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:10 am

Ian wrote:That would be 3 clubs, North Adelaide, Richmond & North Melbourne, Richmond won it twice.
yep, & North Adelaide won it FIRST!
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Postby oldfella » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:16 am

Punk,

Where does it say "The others were unofficial, or not ratified, due to not having representation of all states." in section http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/champion ... tralia.htm it actualy states "contests which might reasonably be regarded as being for the club Championship of Australia occurred during two main phases of the game's history."

    Post season matches played during the period 1888 to 1914 between the premier teams of South Australia and Victoria were consistently described in the Melbourne ('the Age') and Adelaide ('the Advertiser') press of the time as being for the championship (or premiership) of Australia. These contests did not resume after World War One.

    The games of 1968-69-70-71 were described at the time as being for the 'unofficial championship of Australia', basically because the Australian National Football Council had decreed that official status could only be conferred on the championships when involvement extended to the premier teams of Western Australia and Tasmania, as it did from 1972.

    Between 1972 and 1975 the premier teams of South Australia, Victoria and Western Australia, together with either the Tasmanian state champions (1972-73 and '75) or a composite team of players drawn from the premier clubs of the NTFA, NWFU and TFL (1974) contested a bona fide Australian championship series in Adelaide.

    The National Football League's 1976 series involved leading clubs from the VFL (5), SANFL (4) and WAFL (3) and was, prior to the VFL's late 1980s metamorphosis from state to national competition, the closest thing to a genuine, full scale Australian club championship ever to take place.


The summary table clearly indicates this view http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/champion ... ry%20Table
Port Adelaide 4 0
Richmond 3 0
Carlton 2 4
Norwood 2 1
West Adelaide 2 1
Hawthorn 2 0
South Melbourne 1 2
Essendon 1 1
North Adelaide 1 1
North Melbourne 1 1
Sturt 0 4
Collingwood 0 1
Fitzroy 0 1
South Adelaide 0 1
Subiaco 0 1
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Postby Punk Rooster » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:34 am

Post season matches played during the period 1888 to 1914 between the premier teams of South Australia and Victoria were consistently described in the Melbourne ('the Age') and Adelaide ('the Advertiser') press of the time as being for the championship (or premiership) of Australia. These contests did not resume after World War One.

The games of 1968-69-70-71 were described at the time as being for the 'unofficial championship of Australia', basically because the Australian National Football Council had decreed that official status could only be conferred on the championships when involvement extended to the premier teams of Western Australia and Tasmania, as it did from 1972.

Between 1972 and 1975 the premier teams of South Australia, Victoria and Western Australia, together with either the Tasmanian state champions (1972-73 and '75) or a composite team of players drawn from the premier clubs of the NTFA, NWFU and TFL (1974) contested a bona fide Australian championship series in Adelaide.

The National Football League's 1976 series involved leading clubs from the VFL (5), SANFL (4) and WAFL (3) and was, prior to the VFL's late 1980s metamorphosis from state to national competition, the closest thing to a genuine, full scale Australian club championship ever to take place.
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Postby oldfella » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:28 am

Punk,

Thanks for that, can see what you mean - on same theme the last sentence could be interpreted to suggest that only the 1976 series was realy genuine article.

Interesting that the results listed at http://www.footypedia.com/00003323.htm uses the definition of "Championship" match and 'Unofficial Championship" match for various years - with 1888 to 1913 & 1968 to 1971 being listed as Championship matches - all others between listed as unofficial - not sure how to interpret the information for games after 1971 to closure of the contest (AFL introduction).

Two sites - two different interpretations.

Given what the travel logistics were around the start of the 19th century its probably fair to include the 1888 to 1913 period - the Australian National Football Council determination around 1968 probably reflects the growth in travel logistics (planes) and a realisation that Western Australia was in fact part of Australia but thisis one that could be debated endlessly.

Thanks again for your response.
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Postby Mr66 » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:17 pm

And what coloured shorts did these teams wear when they won these competitions? :-s
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:27 pm

Mr66 wrote:And what coloured shorts did these teams wear when they won these competitions? :-s


Or for that matter ... what colour knickerbockers :)
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Postby Magpiespower » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:06 am

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
Or for that matter ... what colour knickerbockers :)


And caps.
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Postby Punk Rooster » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:11 am

oldfella wrote:Punk,
Thanks for that, can see what you mean - on same theme the last sentence could be interpreted to suggest that only the 1976 series was realy genuine article.
But the '76 series only involved 3 States- Vic, SA & WA, & exluded previously included leagus/states.
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Postby Mr66 » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:06 pm

Punk Rooster wrote:
oldfella wrote:Punk,
Thanks for that, can see what you mean - on same theme the last sentence could be interpreted to suggest that only the 1976 series was realy genuine article.
But the '76 series only involved 3 States- Vic, SA & WA, & exluded previously included leagus/states.


Who would have been slaughtered if you go by the results of the Tasmanian teams
who had played from 1972 to 1975.
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