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In one of your blogs spelly, i noticed you did not include Michael Taylor in a list of greats who did not win a Magarey. The list included greats such as Bagshaw, Cahill, Darley & Marker. In my one eyed opinion, Kingo was at least their equal. Can you provide me with his Magarey medal vote totals during his career and what position he finished please?

Moe wrote:In one of your blogs spelly, i noticed you did not include Michael Taylor in a list of greats who did not win a Magarey. The list included greats such as Bagshaw, Cahill, Darley & Marker. In my one eyed opinion, Kingo was at least their equal. Can you provide me with his Magarey medal vote totals during his career and what position he finished please?

He was a great player, but not Magarey medal standard IMHO. Remember the Magarey Medal is fairest and most brilliant, if it was best and fairest I think that he would have been Magarey Medal standard.

robranisgod wrote:

Moe wrote:In one of your blogs spelly, i noticed you did not include Michael Taylor in a list of greats who did not win a Magarey. The list included greats such as Bagshaw, Cahill, Darley & Marker. In my one eyed opinion, Kingo was at least their equal. Can you provide me with his Magarey medal vote totals during his career and what position he finished please?

He was a great player, but not Magarey medal standard IMHO. Remember the Magarey Medal is fairest and most brilliant, if it was best and fairest I think that he would have been Magarey Medal standard.

Ok. I do recall he did lose to Russell ebert by 1 vote though, in 1980 i think?

Taylor was the best player, and red hot favourite for the medal in 1980. Just another season when the best player over the season didn't win the medal.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Taylor was the best player, and red hot favourite for the medal in 1980. Just another season when the best player over the season didn't win the medal.

I was young and I also bow to your greater knowledge of all things Norwood AH, but IIRC in 1980 hadn't Aish burst on to the scene and was an outside favourite for the medal too? Could it have been a case of Aish taking votes away from Taylor.

1980 though Port totally dominated the competition and with Norwood not having the best minor round (didn't they finish fifth) other players (from the winning team) were realistically better players especially early on in the season.

Spelly do you have the round by round votes for the 1980 season????

Touching on 1980. I didi have the pleasure of meeting Kingo at the Broadway Hotel one night. Once i could finally speak, he did touch on that year informing me, although reluctantly, that he stood Russell in one game that season & says he "towelled" him. Russell recieved 3 votes, himself 0. Maybe Spelly can confirm or debunct that?

This is Michael Taylor year by year, with Total, then number of 3s, 2s and 1s

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1974   11   2   2   1
1975   6   2   0   0
1976   3   0   1   1
1977   2   0   1   0
1978   10   2   1   2
1979   12   1.5   2   3.5
1980   22.5   4.5   3   3
1985   6.5   2   0   0.5
1986   7   1   1   2
1987   14   4   0   2

(Double 3-2-1 system halved)

My apologies am bays and Moe, but I have not seen any round by round votes before 1991. I would dearly love to record them; I think if anyone has got a video of the full count I could do it that way. But I don't think they counted all the votes on air under the double 3-2-1 system. Just the 3s.

That would leave me with 1986 onwards if I could obtain them.

Taylor is 42nd on the all time list, behind:
246 Russell Ebert
208.5 Garry McIntosh
179 Lindsay Head
162 Rick Davies
157 Barrie Robran
153 Bob Hank
145.5 Peter Carey
144 John Cahill
135.5 Mark Naley
135 Michael Aish
133 John Halbert
122 John Marriott
121 Jim Deane
120.5 Neil Craig
120 Paul Bagshaw
119 Bruce Lindsay
116 Peter Darley
116 Justin Cicolella
115 Ian McKay
111 Michael Graham
111 Geoff Motley
110 Len Fitzgerald
109 Ken Eustice
107 Grantley Fielke
106 Ralph Sewer
104.5 Michael Nunan
104 Andrew Jarman
102 Brodie Atkinson
101.5 Andrew Payze
100 Robert Oatey
96 Graham Cornes
96 Neil Kerley
95 Brenton Adcock
95 Rick MacGowan
95 Robert Shearman
94 Michael Taylor
94 Paul Weston
93.5 Darel Hart
93.5 Kym Hodgeman
93 Fred Bills
93 Gavin Colville
93 Tim Weatherald

Thanks spelly. Has also shown me why i rated Macca so highly. Surely the best player never to play AFL.

Moe wrote:Thanks spelly. Has also shown me why i rated Macca so highly. Surely the best player never to play AFL.

Shall we open a book on who will be the first North supporter to bite?

am Bays wrote:

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Taylor was the best player, and red hot favourite for the medal in 1980. Just another season when the best player over the season didn't win the medal.

I was young and I also bow to your greater knowledge of all things Norwood AH, but IIRC in 1980 hadn't Aish burst on to the scene and was an outside favourite for the medal too? Could it have been a case of Aish taking votes away from Taylor.

Yes, Aish was on the scene, but umpires didn't really start to notice him until 1981, the year he won the medal. Aish really made heads turn in the 1980s finals series.

"Red hot" may not have been the right words to use, but Taylor was favourite in most circles to win the medal. He won a number of media awards as well. The most ridiculous thing was although be played centre or ruck-rover all season, he was named in the back pocket in the Advertiser Team of the Year.

In 1980, there was the 2 umpire voting system, and Taylor polled 45 votes, Aish 10. The only player "taking votes" from Taylor was Gallagher who polled 24. The poster who quoted Taylor as saying Ebert towelled him, that would have been Kingo being Kingo. He would have said the same thing about every opponent he stood that season. Believe me, nobody "towelled" Kingo Taylor in 1980.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:

am Bays wrote:

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Taylor was the best player, and red hot favourite for the medal in 1980. Just another season when the best player over the season didn't win the medal.

I was young and I also bow to your greater knowledge of all things Norwood AH, but IIRC in 1980 hadn't Aish burst on to the scene and was an outside favourite for the medal too? Could it have been a case of Aish taking votes away from Taylor.

Yes, Aish was on the scene, but umpires didn't really start to notice him until 1981, the year he won the medal. Aish really made heads turn in the 1980s finals series.

"Red hot" may not have been the right words to use, but Taylor was favourite in most circles to win the medal. He won a number of media awards as well. The most ridiculous thing was although be played centre or ruck-rover all season, he was named in the back pocket in the Advertiser Team of the Year.

In 1980, there was the 2 umpire voting system, and Taylor polled 45 votes, Aish 10. The only player "taking votes" from Taylor was Gallagher who polled 24. The poster who quoted Taylor as saying Ebert towelled him, that would have been Kingo being Kingo. He would have said the same thing about every opponent he stood that season. Believe me, nobody "towelled" Kingo Taylor in 1980.

You misunderstood me there AH, Kingo actually said he gave Ebert the towelling, yet Ebert got 3 votes.

Taylor doesn't come across as someone who would be boastful like that, I don't know what tone it was said in but i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in total seriousness.

Taylor surely was a great player though.

GWW wrote:Taylor doesn't come across as someone who would be boastful like that, I don't know what tone it was said in but i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in total seriousness.

Taylor surely was a great player though.

No GWW, it was very much tongue in cheek.

I have made an amendment to my post, as I have found that Tim Weatherald has 93 votes as well as Gavin Colville.

And again, because the original file I got those tallies from was before I made some corrections due to differences in the total number of votes published, as to how many there should have been. He happened to be a part of that difference.

Taylor is actually equal 36th.

It would be interesting to see how many votes each player averaged per eligible game. I reckon Barrie Robran's average is almost 1 vote per game given that he would have played about 185 eligible games, given that he played in 13 finals and three Champions of Australia games in which he clearly couldn't poll votes.

Thanks for that explanation AH

Pseudo wrote:

Moe wrote:Thanks spelly. Has also shown me why i rated Macca so highly. Surely the best player never to play AFL.

Shall we open a book on who will be the first North supporter to bite?

*cough* Peter Carey *cough*

am Bays wrote:

Pseudo wrote:

Moe wrote:Thanks spelly. Has also shown me why i rated Macca so highly. Surely the best player never to play AFL.

Shall we open a book on who will be the first North supporter to bite?

*cough* Peter Carey *cough*

Who??

Psyber wrote:

am Bays wrote:

Pseudo wrote:

Moe wrote:Thanks spelly. Has also shown me why i rated Macca so highly. Surely the best player never to play AFL.

Shall we open a book on who will be the first North supporter to bite?

*cough* Peter Carey *cough*

Who??

Oh, no Psyber! If it were just about anyone else maybe. Carey would be in top 3