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Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:46 pm
by whufc
Just been thinking how dominant the Bays have been over the last 3 years to not win a premiership.

What is the most wins by a club in a 3 year period to have not won a premiership.

I imagine the Eagles 2000-2002 and Eagles 2003-2005 would be high in the rankings. Im guessing there may some Bays sides from the Glenelg vs North era around the mark as well.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:47 pm
by GWW
Glenelg's stats from 87 to 90 would be interesting.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:56 pm
by whufc
Just realised i put this in history not Spelly stats, feel free to move if you need to.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:01 pm
by FlyingHigh
Depends what you class as dominance.
Glenelg from 74-77 or 78
Norwood from 84-89
Centrals 94-97
Could even say the 12 years Port went without a flag from mid 60's to mid 70's - recall someoen posting on here they were second 6 times, and only missed the finals once in those years.
But in each of those eras there were some other pretty good teams around.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:12 pm
by GWW
FlyingHigh wrote:Norwood from 84-89



Norwood were strong from 85 to 89 but i personally wouldn't put them in the "dominant" category. They didn't make a grand final during that era, and whilst they had some excellent players, they weren't really the standout team on an ongoing basis. Whether they should have won a flag in that period, as has been discussed on this forum on a few occasions is another matter though. Probably a quality key forward away from another premiership to add to 84. I'm also not sure their defence was quite up to the standard of Port, North and Glenelg either, although some Legs fans might find that point to be debateable.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:37 pm
by robranisgod
North from 1985-1990 were often dominant in the minor round and yet found wanting often in finals with the one notable exception of 1987. Remember that they won 4 minor premierships for just the one ultimate prize. An exciting ride, but a little disappointing.

I found it a little ironic that they snared the 1991 premiership after "only" finishing third at the end of the minor round. Perhaps Nunan had finally learned to "pace' the side more

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:55 pm
by Pseudo
robranisgod wrote:I found it a little ironic that they snared the 1991 premiership after "only" finishing third at the end of the minor round. Perhaps Nunan had finally learned to "pace' the side more

Not wanting to take any shine off the cup, but the teams finishing above North that year weren't exactly finals-hardened, and Westies were always going to find it tough coming from 5th.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:11 pm
by spell_check
Actually, none of the years put forward above is the record. Glenelg from 1980 to 1982 recorded 55 wins. Then comes Port from 1974 to 76 (51 wins).

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:49 pm
by robranisgod
Pseudo wrote:
robranisgod wrote:I found it a little ironic that they snared the 1991 premiership after "only" finishing third at the end of the minor round. Perhaps Nunan had finally learned to "pace' the side more

Not wanting to take any shine off the cup, but the teams finishing above North that year weren't exactly finals-hardened, and Westies were always going to find it tough coming from 5th.

You don't take any shine off the cup. The 1991 cup shines just as brightly as any of the other 12 that North have won. You can only beat whoever qualifies for the finals.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:06 pm
by Pseudo
robranisgod wrote:
Pseudo wrote:
robranisgod wrote:I found it a little ironic that they snared the 1991 premiership after "only" finishing third at the end of the minor round. Perhaps Nunan had finally learned to "pace' the side more

Not wanting to take any shine off the cup, but the teams finishing above North that year weren't exactly finals-hardened, and Westies were always going to find it tough coming from 5th.

You don't take any shine off the cup. The 1991 cup shines just as brightly as any of the other 12 that North have won. You can only beat whoever qualifies for the finals.

Missing the point? I think North's success from third had more to do with North's extensive finals experience rather than any "pacing" by the coach. That's all; I was not having a swipe.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:36 am
by robranisgod
Pseudo wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
Pseudo wrote:
robranisgod wrote:I found it a little ironic that they snared the 1991 premiership after "only" finishing third at the end of the minor round. Perhaps Nunan had finally learned to "pace' the side more

Not wanting to take any shine off the cup, but the teams finishing above North that year weren't exactly finals-hardened, and Westies were always going to find it tough coming from 5th.

You don't take any shine off the cup. The 1991 cup shines just as brightly as any of the other 12 that North have won. You can only beat whoever qualifies for the finals.

Missing the point? I think North's success from third had more to do with North's extensive finals experience rather than any "pacing" by the coach. That's all; I was not having a swipe.


You obviously don't remember the 1991 season very well then. North had the bye for the last minor round game, Nunan declared that they couldn't afford to win the minor premiership, a three week break was just too much to risk at that time of the year, so they certainly did lose matches that they normally would have been expected to win. North's build up was completely different to any other year in which they participated in the finals.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:48 am
by on the rails
Pseudo wrote:
robranisgod wrote:I found it a little ironic that they snared the 1991 premiership after "only" finishing third at the end of the minor round. Perhaps Nunan had finally learned to "pace' the side more

Not wanting to take any shine off the cup, but the teams finishing above North that year weren't exactly finals-hardened, and Westies were always going to find it tough coming from 5th.


What a condesending comment!

North final hardened in 1985 were they when the Bays won their 3rd flag? :shock:

Lucky you have played North in 3 of your 4 flag wins otherwise your record be well less than it's current status! Start shining your cups.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:26 am
by Pseudo
on the rails wrote:
Pseudo wrote:Not wanting to take any shine off the cup, but the teams finishing above North that year weren't exactly finals-hardened, and Westies were always going to find it tough coming from 5th.


What a condesending comment!

North final hardened in 1985 were they when the Bays won their 3rd flag? :shock:

Like North in '91, Glenelg in '85 also won from third spot. And somewhat like North in '91, Glenelg was also fortunate in that its only rival for the flag (once the Norwood hurdle had been cleared) was relatively inexperienced in finals. I don't doubt for a second that this was a factor in winning that flag.

See as much condescension in this as you like. None was intended, but if you get your knickers in a knot over the simple reality of the situation then I'll call that a bonus. :D

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:58 pm
by Magpiespower
GWW wrote:Glenelg's stats from 87 to 90 would be interesting.


Glenelg struggled in the minor round between 87-89.

IIRC, 12 wins in '87, 13 in '88 and 12 in '89.

Played in the Elimination Final every year.

Won their way to the GF in '87 and '88.

Second on the ladder (to Port) in 1990 with 16 wins and a draw.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:04 pm
by FlyingHigh
MP, reckon in 1988 the Bays finished in the elimination final after being top three all year, but dropped to late games where they had big leads against West and Port. Recall it being discussed on a thread here somewhere

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:08 pm
by am Bays
In 87-88 I didn't regard us as the 2nd best team, we just had very good Septembers so finsished higher than we probably should've - 3rd.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:27 am
by Magpiespower
FlyingHigh wrote:MP, reckon in 1988 the Bays finished in the elimination final after being top three all year, but dropped to late games where they had big leads against West and Port. Recall it being discussed on a thread here somewhere


Pretty tight that year among the top six teams.

One of those costly games dropped was against Port in round 20.

Lost by three points after leading by five goals at 3/4 time.

Payback for us hitting the post FIVE TIMES in the '87 first semi.

Still can't believe Abba hit the the post inside the last minute...

#-o

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:00 am
by JK
Magpiespower wrote:
FlyingHigh wrote:MP, reckon in 1988 the Bays finished in the elimination final after being top three all year, but dropped to late games where they had big leads against West and Port. Recall it being discussed on a thread here somewhere


Pretty tight that year among the top six teams.

One of those costly games dropped was against Port in round 20.

Lost by three points after leading by five goals at 3/4 time.

Payback for us hitting the post FIVE TIMES in the '87 first semi.

Still can't believe Abba's hit the the post inside the last minute...

#-o


Still reckon you had a goal called a point in that game too ;)

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:39 am
by nickname
West finished 2nd at the end of the minor round in 1956, 1957, 1958 and 1959 without winning a premiership. Not an era of dominance, but a quality era nonetheless.
We've also had several eras of incompetence without a premiership.

Re: Eras of dominance without a Premiership.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:32 pm
by JK
nickname wrote:West finished 2nd at the end of the minor round in 1956, 1957, 1958 and 1959 without winning a premiership. Not an era of dominance, but a quality era nonetheless.
We've also had several eras of incompetence without a premiership.


I just finished reading through the scores of the GF's in the 50's ... I knew the Bloods lost a close GF, but didn't realise they were all close :shock: