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Westies

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 2:18 am
by FlyingHigh
Spelly or MB,

Given West's good start to the season:
Apart from 1983, when was the last time West spent an extended amount of time leading the competition, other than winning the first couple games in a season?
Was 2003 when they beat Centrals by a couple of points the last time they were on top before this season?
Apart from 1983 and 2003, when was the last time they were on top of the ladder any time during the last half of the season? Would this be going back to the late 50's or early 60's?

Cheers

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 1:26 pm
by spell_check
West were first between Rds 8-9 and 12-16 2003
No, West have been top after Round 3 2004 and Round 1 last year.
Rounds 6-14 1961

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:03 pm
by Thiele
Besides last night when was the last time west was goal-less at 1/4 time and won

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:34 pm
by FlyingHigh
spell_check wrote:West were first between Rds 8-9 and 12-16 2003
No, West have been top after Round 3 2004 and Round 1 last year.
Rounds 6-14 1961


Thanks Spelly. Didn't realise West were leading the ladder for that many rounds in 2003.

Do you have similar stats for South? Apart from 1991 and perhaps 1979, what other times have they spent on top of the ladder since their last flag, and were they leading the comp much of that year?

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 6:06 pm
by spell_check
Thiele wrote:Besides last night when was the last time west was goal-less at 1/4 time and won


Round 14 2004
West 0.1 1.6 5.9 9.14 (68)
Norwood 1.3 2.5 2.7 5.8 (38)
Norwood, 2791

Flying High wrote:Thanks Spelly. Didn't realise West were leading the ladder for that many rounds in 2003.

Do you have similar stats for South? Apart from 1991 and perhaps 1979, what other times have they spent on top of the ladder since their last flag, and were they leading the comp much of that year?


Rounds 3-8 1965, Round 3 1966, Rounds 2-3 1977, Round 10 1984, Round 1 1986, Round 3 1992, Round 1 1996 and Round 1 2002.

Apart from 1964, 1979 and 1991; Rounds 12 and 13 1940 was the last time South have been at the top after the halfway point of the season. Since 1897, the most number of rounds that South has been top in a season is 15 out of 17 in 1938.

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:27 pm
by FlyingHigh
Great stuff Spelly.
What was the ladder like after Round 10 1984, and were South only on top coz they had that huge percentage-booster against Woodville? IIRC correctly they finished 4th after the minor round - were they ever seriously challenging for a double-chance in the last few rounds? Cheers.

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:03 pm
by Adelaide Hawk
spell_check wrote:
Thiele wrote:Besides last night when was the last time west was goal-less at 1/4 time and won


Round 14 2004
West 0.1 1.6 5.9 9.14 (68)
Norwood 1.3 2.5 2.7 5.8 (38)
Norwood, 2791


That doesn't count. In 2004, you could be goal-less against us at 3/4 time and still win. :)

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:26 pm
by spell_check
FlyingHigh wrote:Great stuff Spelly.
What was the ladder like after Round 10 1984, and were South only on top coz they had that huge percentage-booster against Woodville? IIRC correctly they finished 4th after the minor round - were they ever seriously challenging for a double-chance in the last few rounds? Cheers.


South gained top spot thanks to that well remembered (but I'd love to see the TV footage of) Darren Harris goal after the siren at Adelaide Oval against Port, who headed the ladder after Round 9. When you think about the distance the goal came from (ala Malcolm Blight), you would have thought someone has the video to it!

1 South 8-2 58.06
2 Port 8-2 56.01
3 Central 8-2 54.14
4 Glenelg 7-3 55.69

Due to the next three matches - losses to Glenelg (7 points), West (3 points), Norwood (55 points), South were two wins behind Glenelg and Central and three wins behind Port. Then came the % booster 39.16 to 19.14 win - 1.34% to only be behind Port as far as % was concerned. Including that win, South won 5 out of the next six matches. This put South only a game behind Glenelg and Port, but with superior %.

However, what is remarkable, the same three teams that stopped South from retaining the Round 10 position, all defeated them again! Even the margins were similar/identical!!! Losses to Glenelg (11 points), West (3 points), Norwood (66 points) saw South drop to fourth at the end of the minor round. That is truly amazing, and something I never noticed before. Thanks, FH!

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:25 pm
by spell_check
I can go one step further with South in 1984; both of those three consecutive losses were preceded by a narrow win to Port. So:

Rd 10: South 18.9 Port 17.13 Won by 2
Rd 11: South 14.14 Glenelg 15.15 Lost by 7
Rd 12: South 6.19 West 8.10 Lost by 3
Rd 13: South 7.12 Norwood 16.13 Lost by 55

Rd 19: South 10.10 Port 10.6 Won by 4
Rd 20: South 13.8 Glenelg 15.7 Lost by 11
Rd 21: South 10.21 West 12.12 Lost by 3
Rd 22: South 8.7 Norwood 18.13 Lost by 66

Also, in both of the West encounters, South had more scoring shots.

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:09 am
by Brodlach
Hey Spelly

Could you please let me know the record between West and WWT over the past 5 years home and away?

Cheers.

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:13 am
by FlyingHigh
Not just more scoring shots, but shocking goalkicking.
Seems like a case of so close for South that year, moreso than just making up the numbers in the finals. South would have been 14-5 before those last three games - presumably they were second then?
Apart from 1992, have South and Glenelg ever played another finals match?
Do you have more details of that Round 13 match? Vaguely recall going to a game at Norwood on a drizzly day where Norwood won easily.
Thans Spelly

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:16 pm
by spell_check
West vs Eagles between 2006 and 2010:

at Woodville:
Eagles 3 West 0

at Richmond:
West 3 Eagles 3 Drawn 1

at Thebarton:
Eagles 2 West 0

Total:
Eagles 8 West 3 Drawn 1


I can only give you the quarter by quarter scores for the Round 13 1984 match, FH:
Norwood 4.2 12.6 15.8 16.13 (109)
South 3.5 6.6 7.8 7.12 (54)
Norwood, 6570

South were third behind Glenelg and Port aftert Rd 19:
Glenelg 14-5 54.88%
Port 14-5 54.83%
South 13-6 55.83%
Central 13-6 54.46%
Norwood 10-9 49.08%

The 1992 Elimination Final has been the only finals meeting between South and Glenelg.

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:45 pm
by Brodlach
Thanks Spelly, much appreciated.

When was the last time West won at Woodville?

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:46 pm
by spell_check
Brodlach wrote:Thanks Spelly, much appreciated.

When was the last time West won at Woodville?


2003.

Re: Westies

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:54 pm
by Brodlach
spell_check wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Thanks Spelly, much appreciated.

When was the last time West won at Woodville?


2003.



Thanks again